Crystalis88 | 30 Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 57 minutes ago, darkchylde28 said: I'd say this is the case and wager a guess that somebody got hog tied to a chair while someone else hid all their electronic devices after that "nope, just checked the back room and no corruption or collusion in there" statement/comment that got made immediately after the video hit. I don't remember exactly where it came from, but I do recall someone griping about how they are able to muster the manpower to thoroughly investigate corruption in their own company within 20 minutes but hold peoples' games hostage, ungraded, for a year. The ride up must have been fun for deniz and Jeff. People like that think they’re smarter than everyone else, and they pimped Dain like a 5 dollar hooker. Used his name for credibility and then dumped him like an OD’d crack whore with 0 compensation (as he stated above). I suppose this was known for the last couple of years but now it’s bigger news and I hope this goes deeper than it appears. Deniz looks like he’d make one helluva prison bitch and I’m sure he’d be racking up a high score emptying balls on the yard. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brickman | 4,017 Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 (edited) It's been a slow day at work so I decided to make a table of contents highlighting some stuff in this thread. @ExplodedHamster feel free to add a link to this page in your first post if you think it would be worthwhile. Edit: Forgot to say that I tried to keep this as impartial as possible. Gulag Joe I only specifically mention your discussions about Mario 64 because I actually thought it was pretty interesting and could be a good reference in the years to come. General HA auction results discussion- Mainly discussions around the surprising results and/or crazy prices. Page 1-6 SNES-CD prototype sold along with a few other standout games Page 7 General HA auction results discussion along with the start of people questioning the rise of prices so quickly and fake bids. Some highlights: $9K Atari Spiderman, $3K God of War (apparently not first print) Page 8- 10 Hot Slots reproduction WATA graded and put up on HA. First reproduction in HA? Page 11-12 Auction results, people noticing holes, rips & scratches on high graded games. Highlights: SMB 9.4 A+ (sixth print variation) $114k. $20k Goldeneye. CoD Finest Hour 9.8 A $330 Page 13 Auction results discussion. Highlights: A cut hangtab Sega Genesis Michal Jackson’s Moonwalker getting a 9.4. GTA San Andreas PS2 9.6 A++ sells for $990. Page 14 Auction discussion, continuing of questioning of suspicious activity. Start of Pokemon craze. $84k Pokemon Red & $78k Pokemon Yellow. Page 15-19 Mario Kart 64 VGA 85 with mold sells for $6k, 9.4 Tyson Punchout on Pawn Stars with Deniz appraising the value. Seller wanted $100k. Page 20 Auction results. Pokemon Blue 2nd print $6k, Red 1st print $60k, Yellow first print $15k, crystal 9.8 A++ $75k. Genesis Madden $50k. Page 21-22 9.6A+ Super Mario bros sells for $660k Page 23 General HA discussion, discussion of fake bids. Faded Thunder Force 2 scoring a 9.8A+ and selling for $2.6k. 9.8A++ Sonic 2 sold for $21k but has a hole in the seal along with plastic down the side showing marks. Page 24-26 DefaultGen’s 7 Steps for Identifying First Print Games. Page 27 Auction results, CertifiedLink Auction results (about on par with HA). Page 28-30 The start of the $1.5mil 9.8A++ Mario 64 discussion. This is where it all starts! Page 31-32 $870k second print Legend of Zelda Page 33 Discussion of the rise of prices, fake bids, video game investing and HA Page 34-35 Sale of $1.5mil 9.8A++ Mario 64! Page 36 Discussion of SM64 sale, conspiracy theories, fake bid talk, sale isn’t real, money laundering, Gulag Joe argues with members about how many Mario 64 9.8A++ there really are. Page 37-41 ExplodedHamster comes out to reveal he was the seller of the Mario 64 and the Zelda! Congratulations given, general talk of the Mario 64 sale, ExplodedHamster answers questions Page 42-46 DefaultGen’s Heritage Auction Results July 2021- they graded a fruit fly! PSA bought WATA games & Goldin Auctions. Page 46 Discussion of WATA & Goldin sale, HA discussion, Mario 64 sale discussion, general sealed collecting discussion Page 47-48 PokerPark Wii 9.8A++ sells for $23k Page 49 General sealed collecting discussion, general HA discussion, market manipulation. Xbox360 Bioshock Infinite 9.8A++ sells for $1k. Page 50-54 Gloves posts Karl Jobst’s- Exposing FRAUD And DECEPTION In The Retro Video Game Marke Youtube video- This is where shit really flies off the handle and this thread makes VGS history. Page 55 Discussion of the video, members happy to finally see this in the mainstream backing up what they’ve been saying for years. Discussion of how WATA/HA are market manipulators and happy Karl has done the hard work investigating it, questioning of Deniz’s involvement/character, some people questioning Karl’s agenda in the video. Page 56-60 ExplodedHamster confirms payment of his high end sales (Zelda, Mario 64 etc.), people start questioning Deniz’s appearance on Pawn Stars and assigning values Page 61 Continued discussion of Deniz/WATA’s & HA practices, market manipulation, shill bids. Page 62-67 Karl Jobst reveals he emailed Deniz but never got a response. People arguing about WATA/HA not been given an opportunity to respond to Karl before the release of the video. Continued discussion about ethics of WATA/HA, manipulation. Page 68-70 Jeff Meyer sends a Tweet to organize an interview with Karl Jobst Page 71 Continued discussion on Karl’s Twitter screenshot in regards to contacting Deniz for comment, continued discussion of the video Page 72 DefaultGen swoops in with the bombshell to reveal he was the person Karl was talking to in the tweet. Page 73 Continued discussion of the video, ethics, Kotaku pickups story. Discussion of how much Dain was involved in and/or knew of what was presented in Karl’s video. Page 74-79 Screenshot of Dain saying Karl’s timeline is wrong regarding what transpired after he was no longer associated with WATA. Page 80 Continuted discussion of video, SEC filings, Dain’s involvement, suing Karl, arguments between members. Page 81-84 ZeldaFreak posts screenshots that were posted in the VGS Discord by Dain in regard to clarifying the SEC filing and timeline. Page 85 Dain makes an account and posts to clarify his involvement, explain the SEC filings, posts a screenshot that he no longer wishes to be part of WATA (dated 18th September 2017) and answers questions from members. Page 86-87 NA old timers reunion begins, Dain answers more questions, NA memory lane, general banter that has nothing to do with HA or the video Page 88-92 Karl Jobst makes an account and answers questions. CIBWholesale posts an email from Deniz from March 2018 saying Dain was on the advisory board (page 95), continued discussion of market manipulation and the video, Dain answers more questions, Page 93-103 Argument regarding NA mods and what went down on NA. Page 104-106 General banter, NA old timers make an appearance. Page 107-117 Thread gets back on track, Karl Jobst mentions he will be doing a following up video in September, continued discussion about the video, WATA & HA, general banter. Page 118-131 Karl Jobst links an article by Seth Abramson regarding Mark Haspel (WATA) running an eBay business selling WATA graded games. Page 132 Discussion of the Seth Abramson article, continuing discussion of WATA & HA, general banter. Page 133-134 Call of Duty Finest Hour PS2 9.8A+ sells for $22.8k Page 135 Discussion of CoD Finest Hour, discussion of pop reports, continued discussion of WATA & HA, general banter. Page 136-140 Edited September 2, 2021 by Shmup 8 3 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkchylde28 | 1,546 Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 14 minutes ago, Crystalis88 said: The ride up must have been fun for deniz and Jeff. People like that think they’re smarter than everyone else, and they pimped Dain like a 5 dollar hooker. Used his name for credibility and then dumped him like an OD’d crack whore with 0 compensation (as he stated above). I suppose this was known for the last couple of years but now it’s bigger news and I hope this goes deeper than it appears. Deniz looks like he’d make one helluva prison bitch and I’m sure he’d be racking up a high score emptying balls on the yard. Based on the info revealed earlier today showing that Dain was still pimping for them and stating he was still on the Advisory Board well after he had financially divested himself from the company, it sounds like he let them do it to him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crystalis88 | 30 Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, darkchylde28 said: Based on the info revealed earlier today showing that Dain was still pimping for them and stating he was still on the Advisory Board well after he had financially divested himself from the company, it sounds like he let them do it to him. I guess Bruce Willis showed up just in time or else he’d still be in the Wata office with the gimp and a ball gag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICrappedMyPants | 302 Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 25 minutes ago, Crystalis88 said: The ride up must have been fun for deniz and Jeff. People like that think they’re smarter than everyone else, and they pimped Dain like a 5 dollar hooker. Used his name for credibility and then dumped him like an OD’d crack whore with 0 compensation (as he stated above). I suppose this was known for the last couple of years but now it’s bigger news and I hope this goes deeper than it appears. Deniz looks like he’d make one helluva prison bitch and I’m sure he’d be racking up a high score emptying balls on the yard. I’m sorry, can we please stop hurling personal insults at people we are mentioning? It’s really unnecessary. I personally don’t agree with some of conflicts of interest and some of the ethically questionable situations that have been uncovered, but I think it’s poor taste to be name calling or insulting people. It’s just not constructive criticism and doesn’t add value to the conversation. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tidaldreams | 654 Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 29 minutes ago, Shmup said: It's been a slow day at work so I decided to make a table of contents highlighting some stuff in this thread. @ExplodedHamster feel free to add it to your first post if you think it would be worthwhile. Edit: Forgot to say that I tried to keep this as impartial as possible. Gulag Joe I only specifically mention your discussions about Mario 64 because I actually thought it was pretty interesting and could be a good reference in the years to come. General HA auction results discussion- Mainly discussions around the surprising results and/or crazy prices. Page 1-6 SNES-CD prototype sold along with a few other standout games Page 7 General HA auction results discussion along with the start of people questioning the rise of prices so quickly and fake bids. Some highlights: $9K Atari Spiderman, $3K God of War (apparently not first print) Page 8- 10 Hot Slots reproduction WATA graded and put up on HA. First reproduction in HA? Page 11-12 Auction results, people noticing holes, rips & scratches on high graded games. Highlights: SMB 9.4 A+ (sixth print variation) $114k. $20k Goldeneye. CoD Finest Hour 9.8 A $330 Page 13 Auction results discussion. Highlights: A cut hangtab Sega Genesis Michal Jackson’s Moonwalker getting a 9.4. GTA San Andreas PS2 9.6 A++ sells for $990. Page 14 Auction discussion, continuing of questioning of suspicious activity. Start of Pokemon craze. $84k Pokemon Red & $78k Pokemon Yellow. Page 15-19 Mario Kart 64 VGA 85 with mold sells for $6k, 9.4 Tyson Punchout on Pawn Stars with Deniz appraising the value. Seller wanted $100k. Page 20 Auction results. Pokemon Blue 2nd print $6k, Red 1st print $60k, Yellow first print $15k, crystal 9.8 A++ $75k. Genesis Madden $50k. Page 21-22 9.6A+ Super Mario bros sells for $660k Page 23 General HA discussion, discussion of fake bids. Faded Thunder Force 2 scoring a 9.8A+ and selling for $2.6k. 9.8A++ Sonic 2 sold for $21k but has a hole in the seal along with plastic down the side showing marks. Page 24-26 DefaultGen’s 7 Steps for Identifying First Print Games. Page 27 Auction results, CertifiedLink Auction results (about on par with HA). Page 28-30 The start of the $1.5mil 9.8A++ Mario 64 discussion. This is where it all starts! Page 31-32 $870k second print Legend of Zelda Page 33 Discussion of the rise of prices, fake bids, video game investing and HA Page 34-35 Sale of $1.5mil 9.8A++ Mario 64! Page 36 Discussion of SM64 sale, conspiracy theories, fake bid talk, sale isn’t real, money laundering, Gulag Joe argues with members about how many Mario 64 9.8A++ there really are. Page 37-41 ExplodedHamster comes out to reveal he was the seller of the Mario 64 and the Zelda! Congratulations given, general talk of the Mario 64 sale, ExplodedHamster answers questions Page 42-46 DefaultGen’s Heritage Auction Results July 2021- they graded a fruit fly! PSA bought WATA games & Goldin Auctions. Page 46 Discussion of WATA & Goldin sale, HA discussion, Mario 64 sale discussion, general sealed collecting discussion Page 47-48 PokerPark Wii 9.8A++ sells for $23k Page 49 General sealed collecting discussion, general HA discussion, market manipulation. Xbox360 Bioshock Infinite 9.8A++ sells for $1k. Page 50-54 Gloves posts Karl Jobst’s- Exposing FRAUD And DECEPTION In The Retro Video Game Marke Youtube video- This is where shit really flies off the handle and this thread makes VGS history. Page 55 Discussion of the video, members happy to finally see this in the mainstream backing up what they’ve been saying for years. Discussion of how WATA/HA are market manipulators and happy Karl has done the hard work investigating it, questioning of Deniz’s involvement/character, some people questioning Karl’s agenda in the video. Page 56-60 ExplodedHamster confirms payment of his high end sales (Zelda, Mario 64 etc.), people start questioning Deniz’s appearance on Pawn Stars and assigning values Page 61 Continued discussion of Deniz/WATA’s & HA practices, market manipulation, shill bids. Page 62-67 Karl Jobst reveals he emailed Deniz but never got a response. People arguing about WATA/HA not been given an opportunity to respond to Karl before the release of the video. Continued discussion about ethics of WATA/HA, manipulation. Page 68-70 Jeff Meyer sends a Tweet to organize an interview with Karl Jobst Page 71 Continued discussion on Karl’s Twitter screenshot in regards to contacting Deniz for comment, continued discussion of the video Page 72 DefaultGen swoops in with the bombshell to reveal he was the person Karl was talking to in the tweet. Page 73 Continued discussion of the video, ethics, Kotaku pickups story. Discussion of how much Dain was involved in and/or knew of what was presented in Karl’s video. Page 74-79 Screenshot of Dain saying Karl’s timeline is wrong regarding what transpired after he was no longer associated with WATA. Page 80 Continuted discussion of video, SEC filings, Dain’s involvement, suing Karl, arguments between members. Page 81-84 ZeldaFreak posts screenshots that were posted in the VGS Discord by Dain in regard to clarifying the SEC filing and timeline. Page 85 Dain makes an account and posts to clarify his involvement, explain the SEC filings, posts a screenshot that he no longer wishes to be part of WATA (dated 18th September 2017) and answers questions from members. Page 86-87 NA old timers reunion begins, Dain answers more questions, NA memory lane, general banter that has nothing to do with HA or the video Page 88-92 Karl Jobst makes an account and answers questions. CIBWholesale posts an email from Deniz from March 2018 saying Dain was on the advisory board (page 95), continued discussion of market manipulation and the video, Dain answers more questions, Page 93-103 Argument regarding NA mods and what went down on NA. Page 104-106 General banter, NA old timers make an appearance. Page 107-117 Thread gets back on track, Karl Jobst mentions he will be doing a following up video in September, continued discussion about the video, WATA & HA, general banter. Page 118-131 Karl Jobst links an article by Seth Abramson regarding Mark Haspel (WATA) running an eBay business selling WATA graded games. Page 132 Discussion of the Seth Abramson article, continuing discussion of WATA & HA, general banter. Page 133-134 Call of Duty Finest Hour PS2 9.8A++ sells for $22.8k Page 135 Discussion of CoD Finest Hour, discussion of pop reports, continued discussion of WATA & HA, general banter. Page 136-140 I'd like to make a correction - the CoD only has an A+ seal 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PuppyWaffles | 1,853 Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 Wasn't Bronty the guy that collected artwork and refused to name prices on anything he bought or sold? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zach | 186 Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 Just now, PuppyWaffles said: Wasn't Bronty the guy that collected artwork and refused to name prices on anything he bought or sold? Yes but I remember him constantly bragging about how much money he spent. There were also some accusations that he harassed or pestered the artist to sell those to him when he didn't really want to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PuppyWaffles | 1,853 Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 Just now, Zach said: Yes but I remember him constantly bragging about how much money he spent. There were also some accusations that he harassed or pestered the artist to sell those to him when he didn't really want to No I meant in his buy/sell threads he would never liat prices. Oh yeah he always bragged about the money. Who was the really cool dentist guy? Benihana or something? Man it's been a while... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zach | 186 Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 46 minutes ago, Shmup said: Page 86-87 NA old timers reunion begins, Dain answers more questions, NA memory lane, general banter that has nothing to do with HA or the video this made me lol...it's the same tactic they used to use on NA. Whenever someone had a legitimate gripe, they would derail the thread with BS that had nothing to do with the topic. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nintendo Workshop | 38 Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 4 minutes ago, PuppyWaffles said: Wasn't Bronty the guy that collected artwork and refused to name prices on anything he bought or sold? Wasn't bronty the one who owned every nes licensed game sealed except for like 2 or something like that. Including all variants. Huge library. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PuppyWaffles | 1,853 Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 5 minutes ago, PuppyWaffles said: No I meant in his buy/sell threads he would never liat prices. Oh yeah he always bragged about the money. Who was the really cool dentist guy? Benihana or something? Man it's been a while... Hey @Benihana it is you! You are a dentist or did I make that up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brickman | 4,017 Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 26 minutes ago, tidaldreams said: I'd like to make a correction - the CoD only has an A+ seal Haha thanks. Still can’t get over this sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamW | 713 Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 58 minutes ago, Shmup said: It's been a slow day at work so I decided to make a table of contents highlighting some stuff in this thread. @ExplodedHamster feel free to add it to your first post if you think it would be worthwhile. Edit: Forgot to say that I tried to keep this as impartial as possible. Gulag Joe I only specifically mention your discussions about Mario 64 because I actually thought it was pretty interesting and could be a good reference in the years to come. General HA auction results discussion- Mainly discussions around the surprising results and/or crazy prices. Page 1-6 SNES-CD prototype sold along with a few other standout games Page 7 General HA auction results discussion along with the start of people questioning the rise of prices so quickly and fake bids. Some highlights: $9K Atari Spiderman, $3K God of War (apparently not first print) Page 8- 10 Hot Slots reproduction WATA graded and put up on HA. First reproduction in HA? Page 11-12 Auction results, people noticing holes, rips & scratches on high graded games. Highlights: SMB 9.4 A+ (sixth print variation) $114k. $20k Goldeneye. CoD Finest Hour 9.8 A $330 Page 13 Auction results discussion. Highlights: A cut hangtab Sega Genesis Michal Jackson’s Moonwalker getting a 9.4. GTA San Andreas PS2 9.6 A++ sells for $990. Page 14 Auction discussion, continuing of questioning of suspicious activity. Start of Pokemon craze. $84k Pokemon Red & $78k Pokemon Yellow. Page 15-19 Mario Kart 64 VGA 85 with mold sells for $6k, 9.4 Tyson Punchout on Pawn Stars with Deniz appraising the value. Seller wanted $100k. Page 20 Auction results. Pokemon Blue 2nd print $6k, Red 1st print $60k, Yellow first print $15k, crystal 9.8 A++ $75k. Genesis Madden $50k. Page 21-22 9.6A+ Super Mario bros sells for $660k Page 23 General HA discussion, discussion of fake bids. Faded Thunder Force 2 scoring a 9.8A+ and selling for $2.6k. 9.8A++ Sonic 2 sold for $21k but has a hole in the seal along with plastic down the side showing marks. Page 24-26 DefaultGen’s 7 Steps for Identifying First Print Games. Page 27 Auction results, CertifiedLink Auction results (about on par with HA). Page 28-30 The start of the $1.5mil 9.8A++ Mario 64 discussion. This is where it all starts! Page 31-32 $870k second print Legend of Zelda Page 33 Discussion of the rise of prices, fake bids, video game investing and HA Page 34-35 Sale of $1.5mil 9.8A++ Mario 64! Page 36 Discussion of SM64 sale, conspiracy theories, fake bid talk, sale isn’t real, money laundering, Gulag Joe argues with members about how many Mario 64 9.8A++ there really are. Page 37-41 ExplodedHamster comes out to reveal he was the seller of the Mario 64 and the Zelda! Congratulations given, general talk of the Mario 64 sale, ExplodedHamster answers questions Page 42-46 DefaultGen’s Heritage Auction Results July 2021- they graded a fruit fly! PSA bought WATA games & Goldin Auctions. Page 46 Discussion of WATA & Goldin sale, HA discussion, Mario 64 sale discussion, general sealed collecting discussion Page 47-48 PokerPark Wii 9.8A++ sells for $23k Page 49 General sealed collecting discussion, general HA discussion, market manipulation. Xbox360 Bioshock Infinite 9.8A++ sells for $1k. Page 50-54 Gloves posts Karl Jobst’s- Exposing FRAUD And DECEPTION In The Retro Video Game Marke Youtube video- This is where shit really flies off the handle and this thread makes VGS history. Page 55 Discussion of the video, members happy to finally see this in the mainstream backing up what they’ve been saying for years. Discussion of how WATA/HA are market manipulators and happy Karl has done the hard work investigating it, questioning of Deniz’s involvement/character, some people questioning Karl’s agenda in the video. Page 56-60 ExplodedHamster confirms payment of his high end sales (Zelda, Mario 64 etc.), people start questioning Deniz’s appearance on Pawn Stars and assigning values Page 61 Continued discussion of Deniz/WATA’s & HA practices, market manipulation, shill bids. Page 62-67 Karl Jobst reveals he emailed Deniz but never got a response. People arguing about WATA/HA not been given an opportunity to respond to Karl before the release of the video. Continued discussion about ethics of WATA/HA, manipulation. Page 68-70 Jeff Meyer sends a Tweet to organize an interview with Karl Jobst Page 71 Continued discussion on Karl’s Twitter screenshot in regards to contacting Deniz for comment, continued discussion of the video Page 72 DefaultGen swoops in with the bombshell to reveal he was the person Karl was talking to in the tweet. Page 73 Continued discussion of the video, ethics, Kotaku pickups story. Discussion of how much Dain was involved in and/or knew of what was presented in Karl’s video. Page 74-79 Screenshot of Dain saying Karl’s timeline is wrong regarding what transpired after he was no longer associated with WATA. Page 80 Continuted discussion of video, SEC filings, Dain’s involvement, suing Karl, arguments between members. Page 81-84 ZeldaFreak posts screenshots that were posted in the VGS Discord by Dain in regard to clarifying the SEC filing and timeline. Page 85 Dain makes an account and posts to clarify his involvement, explain the SEC filings, posts a screenshot that he no longer wishes to be part of WATA (dated 18th September 2017) and answers questions from members. Page 86-87 NA old timers reunion begins, Dain answers more questions, NA memory lane, general banter that has nothing to do with HA or the video Page 88-92 Karl Jobst makes an account and answers questions. CIBWholesale posts an email from Deniz from March 2018 saying Dain was on the advisory board (page 95), continued discussion of market manipulation and the video, Dain answers more questions, Page 93-103 Argument regarding NA mods and what went down on NA. Page 104-106 General banter, NA old timers make an appearance. Page 107-117 Thread gets back on track, Karl Jobst mentions he will be doing a following up video in September, continued discussion about the video, WATA & HA, general banter. Page 118-131 Karl Jobst links an article by Seth Abramson regarding Mark Haspel (WATA) running an eBay business selling WATA graded games. Page 132 Discussion of the Seth Abramson article, continuing discussion of WATA & HA, general banter. Page 133-134 Call of Duty Finest Hour PS2 9.8A++ sells for $22.8k Page 135 Discussion of CoD Finest Hour, discussion of pop reports, continued discussion of WATA & HA, general banter. Page 136-140 This is officially the first forum thread I've ever been a part of which has its own index. Congrats, everyone. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PuppyWaffles | 1,853 Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 6 minutes ago, Shmup said: Haha thanks. Still can’t get over this sale. You know as well as I do Logan Paul bought it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doner24 | 1,197 Moderator · Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 53 minutes ago, ICrappedMyPants said: I’m sorry, can we please stop hurling personal insults at people we are mentioning? It’s really unnecessary. I personally don’t agree with some of conflicts of interest and some of the ethically questionable situations that have been uncovered, but I think it’s poor taste to be name calling or insulting people. It’s just not constructive criticism and doesn’t add value to the conversation. Yes we can. Keep that stuff out of your posts please @Crystalis88. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PuppyWaffles | 1,853 Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 1 minute ago, doner24 said: Yes we can. Keep that stuff out of your posts please @Crystalis88. That's my boy! doner24 still getting 'em! Man I missed this community! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brickman | 4,017 Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 11 minutes ago, PuppyWaffles said: You know as well as I do Logan Paul bought it Who is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarMech | 82 Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Shmup said: Who is that? A scumbag. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PuppyWaffles | 1,853 Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Shmup said: Who is that? It's better you don't know. Famous (somehow) YouTuber that buys stupid things at stupid prices. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captmorgandrinker | 1,650 Administrator · Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 23 minutes ago, PuppyWaffles said: Hey @Benihana it is you! You are a dentist or did I make that up? I thought he dressed as one for Halloween or something? Pretty sure he was military (although I suppose they have dentists as well) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PuppyWaffles | 1,853 Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 Just now, captmorgandrinker said: I thought he dressed as one for Halloween or something? Pretty sure he was military (although I suppose they have dentists as well) Haha if it was just a Halloween costume that is amazing. That's literally all I remember other than he was super cool! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart010 | 1,708 Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Shmup said: It's been a slow day at work so I decided to make a table of contents highlighting some stuff in this thread. @ExplodedHamster feel free to add it to your first post if you think it would be worthwhile. Edit: Forgot to say that I tried to keep this as impartial as possible. Gulag Joe I only specifically mention your discussions about Mario 64 because I actually thought it was pretty interesting and could be a good reference in the years to come. General HA auction results discussion- Mainly discussions around the surprising results and/or crazy prices. Page 1-6 SNES-CD prototype sold along with a few other standout games Page 7 General HA auction results discussion along with the start of people questioning the rise of prices so quickly and fake bids. Some highlights: $9K Atari Spiderman, $3K God of War (apparently not first print) Page 8- 10 Hot Slots reproduction WATA graded and put up on HA. First reproduction in HA? Page 11-12 Auction results, people noticing holes, rips & scratches on high graded games. Highlights: SMB 9.4 A+ (sixth print variation) $114k. $20k Goldeneye. CoD Finest Hour 9.8 A $330 Page 13 Auction results discussion. Highlights: A cut hangtab Sega Genesis Michal Jackson’s Moonwalker getting a 9.4. GTA San Andreas PS2 9.6 A++ sells for $990. Page 14 Auction discussion, continuing of questioning of suspicious activity. Start of Pokemon craze. $84k Pokemon Red & $78k Pokemon Yellow. Page 15-19 Mario Kart 64 VGA 85 with mold sells for $6k, 9.4 Tyson Punchout on Pawn Stars with Deniz appraising the value. Seller wanted $100k. Page 20 Auction results. Pokemon Blue 2nd print $6k, Red 1st print $60k, Yellow first print $15k, crystal 9.8 A++ $75k. Genesis Madden $50k. Page 21-22 9.6A+ Super Mario bros sells for $660k Page 23 General HA discussion, discussion of fake bids. Faded Thunder Force 2 scoring a 9.8A+ and selling for $2.6k. 9.8A++ Sonic 2 sold for $21k but has a hole in the seal along with plastic down the side showing marks. Page 24-26 DefaultGen’s 7 Steps for Identifying First Print Games. Page 27 Auction results, CertifiedLink Auction results (about on par with HA). Page 28-30 The start of the $1.5mil 9.8A++ Mario 64 discussion. This is where it all starts! Page 31-32 $870k second print Legend of Zelda Page 33 Discussion of the rise of prices, fake bids, video game investing and HA Page 34-35 Sale of $1.5mil 9.8A++ Mario 64! Page 36 Discussion of SM64 sale, conspiracy theories, fake bid talk, sale isn’t real, money laundering, Gulag Joe argues with members about how many Mario 64 9.8A++ there really are. Page 37-41 ExplodedHamster comes out to reveal he was the seller of the Mario 64 and the Zelda! Congratulations given, general talk of the Mario 64 sale, ExplodedHamster answers questions Page 42-46 DefaultGen’s Heritage Auction Results July 2021- they graded a fruit fly! PSA bought WATA games & Goldin Auctions. Page 46 Discussion of WATA & Goldin sale, HA discussion, Mario 64 sale discussion, general sealed collecting discussion Page 47-48 PokerPark Wii 9.8A++ sells for $23k Page 49 General sealed collecting discussion, general HA discussion, market manipulation. Xbox360 Bioshock Infinite 9.8A++ sells for $1k. Page 50-54 Gloves posts Karl Jobst’s- Exposing FRAUD And DECEPTION In The Retro Video Game Marke Youtube video- This is where shit really flies off the handle and this thread makes VGS history. Page 55 Discussion of the video, members happy to finally see this in the mainstream backing up what they’ve been saying for years. Discussion of how WATA/HA are market manipulators and happy Karl has done the hard work investigating it, questioning of Deniz’s involvement/character, some people questioning Karl’s agenda in the video. Page 56-60 ExplodedHamster confirms payment of his high end sales (Zelda, Mario 64 etc.), people start questioning Deniz’s appearance on Pawn Stars and assigning values Page 61 Continued discussion of Deniz/WATA’s & HA practices, market manipulation, shill bids. Page 62-67 Karl Jobst reveals he emailed Deniz but never got a response. People arguing about WATA/HA not been given an opportunity to respond to Karl before the release of the video. Continued discussion about ethics of WATA/HA, manipulation. Page 68-70 Jeff Meyer sends a Tweet to organize an interview with Karl Jobst Page 71 Continued discussion on Karl’s Twitter screenshot in regards to contacting Deniz for comment, continued discussion of the video Page 72 DefaultGen swoops in with the bombshell to reveal he was the person Karl was talking to in the tweet. Page 73 Continued discussion of the video, ethics, Kotaku pickups story. Discussion of how much Dain was involved in and/or knew of what was presented in Karl’s video. Page 74-79 Screenshot of Dain saying Karl’s timeline is wrong regarding what transpired after he was no longer associated with WATA. Page 80 Continuted discussion of video, SEC filings, Dain’s involvement, suing Karl, arguments between members. Page 81-84 ZeldaFreak posts screenshots that were posted in the VGS Discord by Dain in regard to clarifying the SEC filing and timeline. Page 85 Dain makes an account and posts to clarify his involvement, explain the SEC filings, posts a screenshot that he no longer wishes to be part of WATA (dated 18th September 2017) and answers questions from members. Page 86-87 NA old timers reunion begins, Dain answers more questions, NA memory lane, general banter that has nothing to do with HA or the video Page 88-92 Karl Jobst makes an account and answers questions. CIBWholesale posts an email from Deniz from March 2018 saying Dain was on the advisory board (page 95), continued discussion of market manipulation and the video, Dain answers more questions, Page 93-103 Argument regarding NA mods and what went down on NA. Page 104-106 General banter, NA old timers make an appearance. Page 107-117 Thread gets back on track, Karl Jobst mentions he will be doing a following up video in September, continued discussion about the video, WATA & HA, general banter. Page 118-131 Karl Jobst links an article by Seth Abramson regarding Mark Haspel (WATA) running an eBay business selling WATA graded games. Page 132 Discussion of the Seth Abramson article, continuing discussion of WATA & HA, general banter. Page 133-134 Call of Duty Finest Hour PS2 9.8A+ sells for $22.8k Page 135 Discussion of CoD Finest Hour, discussion of pop reports, continued discussion of WATA & HA, general banter. Page 136-140 Wouldn’t adding this long post to the first page shift all of the discussions afterwards down by a page or so? Kinda defeats the purpose doesn’t it…. Just sayin Edited September 2, 2021 by phart010 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoTwizer | 123 Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 48 minutes ago, PuppyWaffles said: Hey @Benihana it is you! You are a dentist or did I make that up? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart010 | 1,708 Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Nintendo Workshop said: Wasn't bronty the one who owned every nes licensed game sealed except for like 2 or something like that. Including all variants. Huge library. Bronty is actually a member here. He famously owns the original canvas artwork for Contra NES. He was moderately active when the site was new, but I think it’s been some time since he’s posted. Edit: He hasn’t visited the site since April Edited September 2, 2021 by phart010 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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