avatar! | 1,829 Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 (edited) 37 minutes ago, OptOut said: It's a good game, not great, certainly not by Mario standards anyway. I disagree. First, it has a 92% on Metacritic. Sure, there are Mario games with higher scores, but in principle any game that over the years has >90% on Metacritic is arguably "great". Secondly, and more importantly, from the amazing music to the atmosphere, to the characters, to the challenge, it did everything right. I really liked Galaxy as well, but in my opinion Sunshine > Galaxy > 64. I haven't played Odyssey yet so I can't compare it, but I'm happy to say Sunshine definitely has its fans and is easily the most exciting title in the trio of games https://www.nme.com/features/heres-why-everyone-is-so-excited-for-super-mario-sunshine-2745189 Super Mario 64 might have evolved the series, but Super Mario Sunshine perfected it. No other Mario game has had so much impact on what came next. The tropical landscapes were so beautiful, they remain a staple of Mario Kart to this day, while the use of FLUDD gave exploring Sunshine a new dynamic and flipped battles on their head. Edited September 5, 2020 by avatar! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed Rothchild | 9,588 Editorials Team · Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 1 hour ago, MiamiSlice said: I feel like I'm having a mandela effect. Does anyone recall Super Mario Sunshine getting mediocre reviews when it came out? Or was it that people were meh on it despite good reviews? Or am I remembering everything wrong and the game was actually highly praised and loved by all??? It definitely got good reviews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avatar! | 1,829 Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 22 minutes ago, fox said: What a box! What a cart! Wow! The manual is what really did it for me 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OptOut | 8,892 Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 @avatar! I mean, I said I liked it, geez. Personally, I reckon it goes: Galaxy 1/2 > 64 > Odyssey > Sunshine But, hey, that's opinions for ya! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brickman | 4,017 Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 2 hours ago, ThePhleo said: this was a time when games were supposed to be all colors of the rainbow, as long as those colors were brown, grey, and green. Some things haven’t changed. Sounds like COD 753367997 black ops edition haha. Sunshine has always been a game that has a split audience, even on launch. We even saw that a little in the game debate thread. I personally gave it a 5/10 because I found it to be a chore and not very fun. Plus compared to 64 it was awful in my opinion. I’ve always wanted to give it another go though so this is a good chance and maybe it can change my view. I hope the controls are better, I remember those been frustrating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Bogomil | 815 Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 I can understand the dislike for Sunshine even though I love it. It's definitely more challenging and tedious than 64 plus I think a lot of people didn't really like the FLUDD mechanics. The level design is a little odd for Nintendo as they aren't straight forward and have some very tough to get to spots, even for normal Shines or particular nozzles for FLUDD. The non-FLUDD mini levels are pretty challenging and even the worlds themselves can be tricky to locate on the over-world during the first play through. I would say it's the least player friendly Mario games and definitely the most challenging 3D Mario which is probably why I like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nintegageo | 582 Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 (edited) I enjoyed Sunshine, I just remember the island not having the greatest layot and I didn't enjoy the design/speech they chose with the residents. Oh and didn't it introduce us to Bowser Jr? Shit maybe I do hate this game? Edited September 5, 2020 by Nintegageo 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OptOut | 8,892 Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 Listen guys, Yoshi dies when you go in the water, the game sucks, end of story. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkTone | 988 Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaMan52 | 2,461 Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 (edited) Sunshine doesn't deserve all of the hate it receives. Without it, my collection of 3D Mario games would be very incomplete: I like Super Mario 64 and Super Mario Sunshine more than Super Mario Galaxy. Edited September 5, 2020 by MegaMan52 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePhleo | 2,186 Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 1 hour ago, OptOut said: Listen guys, Yoshi dies when you go in the water, the game sucks, end of story. So does that mean he’s an ink monster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OptOut | 8,892 Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 59 minutes ago, MegaMan52 said: Sunshine doesn't deserve all of the hate it receives. Without it, my collection of 3D Mario games would be very incomplete: I like Super Mario 64 and Super Mario Sunshine more than Super Mario Galaxy. Where's Galaxy 2? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BortLicensePlate | 652 Graphics Team · Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 1 hour ago, OptOut said: Where's Galaxy 2? Should be asking nintendo that question really 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OptOut | 8,892 Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 7 hours ago, BortLicensePlate said: Should be asking nintendo that question really Damn straight! It's a travesty is what it is! Yoshi doesn't die in the water in THAT game, where's the freaking beef Nintender?! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart010 | 1,708 Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 1 hour ago, OptOut said: Damn straight! It's a travesty is what it is! Yoshi doesn't die in the water in THAT game, where's the freaking beef Nintender?! Can’t charge more than $60 for a retail release. Maybe it will be expansion dlc for an extra $20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OptOut | 8,892 Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 1 minute ago, phart010 said: Can’t charge more than $60 for a retail release. Maybe it will be expansion dlc for an extra $20 In all seriousness, I am imagining the reason Galaxy 2 isn't included is due to space limitations on the game card. Obviously Mario 64 is tiny, as is Sunshine by modern standards. But getting Galaxy 1 AND 2 on a Switch cart is probably an issue... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quest4Nes | 376 Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 31 minutes ago, OptOut said: In all seriousness, I am imagining the reason Galaxy 2 isn't included is due to space limitations on the game card. Obviously Mario 64 is tiny, as is Sunshine by modern standards. But getting Galaxy 1 AND 2 on a Switch cart is probably an issue... 3d allstars is only a 4.7gb game total. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OptOut | 8,892 Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 Just now, Quest4Nes said: 3d allstars is only a 4.7gb game total. The plot thickens... Damn you Nintendo you greedy fucks! Give us what we demand, where's Galaxy 2, you complete bastards?! That's probably the best one, honestly! No excuse now, I'm even considering boycotting the game... After buying a copy for myself, of course, but only one, and after that, boycott. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanooki | 4,952 Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 I posted in that related thread, but maybe it's just as simple as they had the tools already in place, and in the specific case of Galaxy 1 and not 2, it was already completed a few years ago. The Chinese got the Nvidia Shield in a co-deal with Nintendo which got a very small selection of GC and Wii games converted to Android to run on that hardware, that same hardware which is the Switch. Odds are they just re-used their Android APK for Galaxy, just doctored it to run the English version. Can't quite write off Sunshine, other than again, same emulator, and N64 that would be the emulator they already made for their old online shop on the Wii/WiiU that had Mario 64. Cobble the 2 emulators and 3 games together, throw a 3 game soundtrack on there and call it a day. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Code Monkey | 2,014 Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 The main thing I learned from this Direct was that you can kill a flame barrel by jumping above it with the Tanooki suit, then switching to the statue and landing on the flame. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cartman | 195 Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 (edited) For me it would be re-connecting with SM64 after again after all this time and getting to try out Sunshine and Galaxy. For quite a few it seems Sunshine is what they're mostly connected to. Edited September 6, 2020 by cartman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RegularGuyGamer | 2,018 Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 17 hours ago, cartman said: For me it would be re-connecting with SM64 after again after all this time and getting to try out Sunshine and Galaxy. For quite a few it seems Sunshine is what they're mostly connected to. It's the age group of those who are the most vocal on the internet. Sunshine is my lowest ranked of all the 3D Mario games. So I can assume nostalgia plays a big part in the hubbub of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cartman | 195 Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 2 hours ago, RegularGuyGamer said: It's the age group of those who are the most vocal on the internet. Sunshine is my lowest ranked of all the 3D Mario games. So I can assume nostalgia plays a big part in the hubbub of it. Yeah it could be that that some are more vocal than others. I've never played Sunshine but i've heard that it's considered one of the greats and would like to try it out so maybe this is the right occasion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed Rothchild | 9,588 Editorials Team · Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 On 9/5/2020 at 12:17 AM, OptOut said: @avatar! I mean, I said I liked it, geez. Personally, I reckon it goes: Galaxy 1/2 > 64 > Odyssey > Sunshine But, hey, that's opinions for ya! I'd say Odyssey > 64 > Sunshine (haven't played the Galaxies) But they're all great. And I was enthralled with 64 when it came out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanooki | 4,952 Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 I wouldn't put Odyssey over any of the 3D Mario exploration games like that at all. I mean I'd like to, but it's just so so watered down with the moons that it just gets tedious then boring. I never actually bothered to finish it, a first for 3D Mario games. I should go back and do it, but I find better distractions. It's not bad, they just went too far. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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