Code Monkey

I think I got mine from these very forums for $25 each.

I did see that. But logically, if he's making them, I'll just wait until they're in stock. At no point did he mention they were only made to order.

I saw that post and subsequently kept watching his store to see if he made any. They never showed up.

My girlfriend was scrolling through local sales and found some sealed NES games for sale. I don't really collect sealed but I needed a few of them and they were still relatively cheap so I agreed to buy them but I couldn't go pick them up until the following day. The next morning the seller messaged my girlfriend and told her The Bandit Kings Of Ancient China was no longer included in the lot as someone else bought it but she can replace it with a copy of Batman Returns. If you collect NES games, you know there is a major difference in rarity between these two titles and I was so mad about that I almost cancelled the deal. Fast forward about 5-7 years and the Batman game is now worth double the other game because it's all ex comic book collectors getting into sealed games. That sealed Batman is one of the most valuable games I own. Games included in the lot: L'Empereur (cellophane removed, never opened) Kings Of The Beach (sealed R seal, Wata has never graded one) Batman Returns (sealed, graded 9.4) Advanced Dungeons And Dragons: Pool Of Radiance (sealed, graded 9.2) Target: Renegade (sealed) Ghostbusters II (sealed, graded 9.2) Eliminator Boat Duel (sealed) Pipe Dream (sealed) Total price on the lot was $600 CAD which wasn't that great of a deal at the time. I know the other local guy that bought Bandit Kings Of Ancient China and he immediately sold it for a profit. I also know he knew I had bought the lot because the seller told me he was quite convincing with prying that one game from the lot even though it was sold.

How? They're not listed on his site.

I skipped this one but I'd be interested if it's surprisingly good.

Where from?

The Ultimate Stuntman Megaman 3 Megaman 2 Jr. Pac-Man

Your arguments and my rebuttals: A: It's day 1 downloadable content. R: No, it's not. It's not downloadable content, it's part of the initial release of the game. A: I could have paid more money to buy something cheaper than the toys and get the same end result. R: No, I will not pay 5 cents if I already paid for the entire game. I paid for the whole game, I get the whole game, I'm not buying anything else. A: It is not required in order to enjoy the game. R: I don't care. It's part of the game, I paid for the game, I should get all parts of the game. A: Other games do it. R: And? If someone else murders someone, is it okay for you to do it? Imagine if you buy a movie and in order to watch the credits you have to tap a plastic toy on the remote control. The credits aren't required to enjoy the movie but does that sound bizarre? Do you think that should be allowed? If I pay for the movie, I want to see the credits without buying anything extra.

You misunderstood, I didn't cheat on my taxes. I'm purchasing games for my business. I'm also claiming all of the games I've sold and paying taxes on that income, it goes both ways.

It's not fraud. Like I said, I can tell you something I'm not selling is worth whatever I want. I could tell you a property down the street is worth $1,000,000, is it my fault if you buy it and find out if it isn't? In order for fraud to take place, it has to meet certain criteria and one criteria is that I have to gain an interest from the fraud. Wata helped increase the value of games they did not own and did not gain anything from the sale of games they did not own. Whether or not Jim Halperin benfitted is not relevant to whether Deniz and Wata are guilty. Whether or not Bronty benefitted is not relevant, he was just an advisor. Whether or not Mark Haspell benefitted is not relevant, he wasn't the owner. People here are confusing morals with crime, the 2 aren't the same. It was a shit thing to do but there isn't anything illegal about telling someone a product they have no interest in is worth more than it is. In fact, I'm not actually sure if the lawsuit even mentions fraud (maybe it does and I'll have to retract this) but I thought it was just about missing service level agreements. The only financial gain Wata saw was from an increased demand for their grading service which isn't the same as whether or not a game is worth a million dollars. He inflated his assets in order to gain more loans, that is a federal offence and is not the same as telling people a hobby is worth more than it is. This isn't even in the same section of the law book. They weren't giving financial advice, where did you read that? Someone asked them what it was worth and he gave his opinion. If I go to my local game store and ask someone behind the counter what a game is worth, are they liable for fraud if it's not true? No, that's not considered financial advice. This is not comparable to what happened. Deniz did not ask for investments in his company and promise dividends. He told me and you that a game they did not own is worth a certain amount. If you go and buy the game, that's on you, it's only fraud if Deniz was the one selling the game which he was not. There is a world of difference here in inflating an asset that you own and do not own. It's not fraud. And yes I was and I still have not bought that game even though I think I own every other game he has made. He should follow the rules. Again, there was deception and I don't think it was right but it also doesn't meet the criteria of a crime (except missing the SLA).

I don't get it, pretending something is worth more than it is isn't a crime. It's also not a crime for me to lie to you about its value. I could literally draw up some charts in Microsoft Paint, fabricate some numbers, have my friends corroborate the values and do media interviews about the sky high prices. If you give me or anyone else money based on your zero research, the fault is yours, not mine. It is fully your responsibility for any investment you make based on any information you accept. I could tell you Dogecoin is going to be the next official currency of the moon peoples and you better buy it all up. If you actually do that, that's on you. People are acting like it's somehow Deniz's fault that he convinced people to buy things. Disclaimer: I have no interest in Wata and do not even collect sealed games. I just can't sit here and read about people saying it's anyone else's fault but their own for a bad investment. Side note: I don't see anyone here discussing how the $100,100 Super Mario Bros. sale wasn't even actually a sale. Deniz mentioned in his deposition weeks ago that the game was never sold, the original owner (Bronty) still retains interest in the game and they made up the sale price for hype. I thought that would have more people upset, that was a pretty shit thing to do.

I played through Breath Of The Wild when it came out and followed along in the official guide I have for it. I went page by page through the guide to make sure I had everything, even crossing off 900 of those Korok seeds from the included map. I got to one section with some swords and clothing with a description that they can be accessed by tapping the appropriate Amiibo but I couldn't find anywhere about how to get them without the Amiibo. I phoned Nintendo to ask them how I'm supposed to do it because I paid full price for the game and there were sections in the game I purchased which I could not access. They told me it was impossible, I had to buy hundreds of dollars worth of plastic toys in addition to purchasing the game in order to get all of the game's content. I felt frustration with the fire of a thousand suns and vowed I would not pay for the next Zelda game that comes out in order to recover my portion of the game I did not receive. When Tears Of The Kingdom came out, I refused to pay for it and instead taught myself how to hack my Switch and installed a pirate copy I downloaded from a torrent. The game played perfectly and I got hours of enjoyment from it for free while Nintendo lost my $80 purchase price for the game because they tried to force me to buy plastic toys. Releasing new content after the game's release is one thing, locking me out of items in the base game is totally different. I paid for those items and still have not received them.

Oh man, the long con. I get it now, thanks.