G-type | 2,482 Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 (edited) Final Fantasy 2 = Final Fantasy 4 Final Fantasy 3 = Final Fantasy 6 or Super Mario Advance = Super Mario Bros 2 Super Mario Advance 2 = Super Mario World Super Mario Advance 3 = Super Mario World 2 Yoshi's Island Super Mario Advance 4 = Super Mario Bros 3 Edited February 24, 2023 by G-type 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-type | 2,482 Posted February 24, 2023 Author Share Posted February 24, 2023 (edited) I'm going to go with Super Mario Advance series, because they screwed that up for no good reason... at least Final Fantasy had an excuse... they didn't have enough staff to handle translating all the games at the time, and thought it would cause more confusion to have missing games in the series... but even that could have been mitigated if they just went in order (Even after their initial screw up... they could have gotten the mario games back on track if they had switched Mario 3 with Yoshi's island!) or better yet... name them: "Original name of the game" + "Advance" Edited February 24, 2023 by G-type 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammerfestus | 3,846 Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 51 minutes ago, G-type said: Final Fantasy 2 = Final Fantasy 4 Final Fantasy 3 = Final Fantasy 6 or Super Mario Advance = Super Mario Bros 2 Super Mario Advance 2 = Super Mario World Super Mario Advance 3 = Super Mario World 2 Yoshi's Island Super Mario Advance 4 = Super Mario Bros 3 Wait they went backwards from the SNES games to SMB3? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elprincipe | 142 Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 At least FF had the excuse that FF3 was the third game released in North America. The SMA stuff is just dumb. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagusSmurf | 577 Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 Final Fantasy Nobody was really fooled into using the Super Mario Advance titles or game order when talking about those games in general so they basically didn't matter long term whereas the Final Fantasy renumbering has made talking about the older games mildly more annoying than it should be to this day. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhyNotZoidberg | 585 Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 (edited) Super Mario hands down. I feel like maybe FF is more notorious for it, but all Nintendo had to do was add «Advance » to any of their titles and be done with it. Now we have « Super Mario Bros Advance 4: Super Mario Bros 3 » Edited February 25, 2023 by WhyNotZoidberg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoctorEncore | 3,691 Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 What percentage of people could tell you, without looking it up, which SMA game correlates to which original game? I suspect that number is incredibly low. At least the FF progression makes sense from a market perspective and was corrected later on. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twiztor | 851 Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 i think the FF is more egregious. to this day, people have to write "Final Fantasy 3 (6)" to keep everyone on the same page. the SMAdvance numbering is dumb, but they were just rereleases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Link | 2,712 Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 Super Mario Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitarzombie | 924 Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 Absolutely FF. I don't think anyone really cares about the GBA carts and getting them confused. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanooki | 4,934 Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 Historically Final Fantasy totally given the decades of confusion it has caused now...seriously 30 years and going if someone isn't aware. The Mario games though, if you're a handheld only gamer more or less, that was a big mind screw having them out of order, and in the case of SMB3 doubly confusing out of order. It's Mario 4 and 3 in the same title which is screwball. That and they were like Mario Allstars(largely) tweaked ports as re-releases. The FF stuff was a mainline mind screw that persists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cj_robot | 542 Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 (edited) Mario for sure, because they just went bonkers with it. No on Final Fantasy because it made complete sense at the time, and there's not one single person on the planet who doesn't already know that FFIII(SNES) = FFVI(SFC). Because if somebody does refer to the game as Final Fantasy 3 (God forbid), it takes literally 12 milliseconds for somebody to respond, "You DO realize that it's actually FINAL FANTASY 6, right? RIGHT?!?!?" Edited February 25, 2023 by cj_robot 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Bogomil | 815 Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 Mario. I remember hearing a game store clerk trying to help a mom figure out which GBA Mario game her son wanted as a present... it was like the 'Who's on first' skit. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twiztor | 851 Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 9 hours ago, cj_robot said: there's not one single person on the planet who doesn't already know that FFIII(SNES) = FFVI(SFC). Because if somebody does refer to the game as Final Fantasy 3 (God forbid), it takes literally 12 milliseconds for somebody to respond, "You DO realize that it's actually FINAL FANTASY 6, right? RIGHT?!?!?" but from this argument, is there "one single person on the planet who doesn't already know that" Super Mario Bros 3 is Super Mario Bros 3 (aka Super Mario Advance 4)? like, the entire name is still in the title of the re-release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankos | 441 Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 The Final Fantasy one confused more people in the grand scheme of things, but in terms of being egregious I'd have to go with the Super Mario Advance series. In order it was a game that was numbered 2 (despite there being some other game with that number), followed by some game that at times would be given the number 4 (though not always), followed by a game that plays nothing like the previous one but was labeled as its sequel, followed by a game given the number 3. I typed that and it would still confuse me if I tried to read it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cj_robot | 542 Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, twiztor said: but from this argument, is there "one single person on the planet who doesn't already know that" Super Mario Bros 3 is Super Mario Bros 3 (aka Super Mario Advance 4)? like, the entire name is still in the title of the re-release. Yeah, if you're staring at the cartridge, sure I guess. But could anybody actually recite all the titles with the correct numbers from memory? Not me, that's for sure. I just realized.. didn't the Japanese Super Mario World include the subtitle Super Mario Bros. 4? Doesn't that make the GBA game's full title Super Mario Advance 2: Super Mario Bros. 4: Super Mario World? I kinda like it, actually. Edited February 26, 2023 by cj_robot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloves | 11,779 Administrator · Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 Mario - they did the numbering of the GBA games knowing full-well what the order was, and with the games being released worldwide across all titles it would have been a no-brainer to simply release them in order and retain the original convention. FF they did the best they could given their limited resources, you really can't blame them for it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdStrongestMole | 430 Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 (edited) Seems like a no brainer. The GBA titles have subheadings. So both are on the same cart. FF makes no mention of it on any title. Oh, also with FF you miss an entire game in between. Edited February 26, 2023 by 3rdStrongestMole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Code Monkey | 2,010 Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 Definitely the Crazy Castle series. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefaultGen | 5,405 Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 Super Mario is so outrageous it makes Kingdom Hearts blush. Especially the first 5 main games:Super Mario Bros.Super Mario Bros. 2 (JP)Super Mario Bros. 2 (US) / Super Mario Bros USA (JP) - Another SMB2Super Mario Bros. 3 - The fourth Super Mario Bros. gameSuper Mario World: Super Mario Bros 4. (JP) - Wait, is THIS the fourth SMB game? Then there's the lunacy of the GBA titles, the fact that Super Mario Land 3 isn't a Mario game, the fact that NSMBU Deluxe is on Switch. The entire 'New' moniker being used for 13+ years. It should also be illegal to clunkily name a game in the biggest franchise ever "Super Mario 3D World + Bowser's Fury" but there it is on my collection list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanooki | 4,934 Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 9 hours ago, Code Monkey said: Definitely the Crazy Castle series. Oooh damn good call. They're all whacked out on numbers, names, and licensed IP as well. Disney here, WB there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sumez | 2,952 Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 Americans: I refuse to call FF4 and FF6 by their correct numbers! Also Americans: Man, the Final Fantasy series numbering is completely confusing and impossible to figure out, isn't it? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fcgamer | 4,723 Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 The Final Fantasy numbering is not an issue if people ignore the Japanese versions and just talk about the games in their region. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RH | 4,904 Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDIRunner | 2,740 Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 (edited) I've never played any of them, but aren't the Star Wars Battlefront game names pretty jacked up? Star Wars Battlefront Star Wars Battlefront II Star Wars Battlefront (2015) Star Wars Battlefront II (2017) Edited February 27, 2023 by TDIRunner 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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