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Personally, its as simple as beating the game the way the people who developed it intended. If you can farm for 1ups, farm for scrolls in TMNT to max out 99 for each character thats fine, give you infinite continues? Good. Even exploits that can be found in the game are ok (forcing enemies to despawn). Even using ABBA in Ikari Warriors is ok to me, because the developers put it in the game intending for people to find it accidentally. What doesn't constitute truly beating it is using save states, cheats or cheat devices. The only gray area I can kind of think of are turbo controllers. They were developed by Nintendo for you to give you an advantage. Even I think Festers Quest suggests using one in the manual as a tip. I can see how people might call it cheating but using it doesn't guarantee victory. Sometimes it wont even help, like in Abadox. So to me its iffy. Personally if I beat a game using a turbo controller, which I have for 'personal' play, thats fine. But in some sort of contest, I wouldn't unless everyone was using it. I love Doom Eternal because you can play the game however you want without penalty. They want players to have the fun of combat and not the poor feeling of not progressing. So they allow you to play thru it with cheats, or being able to change difficulty on the fly. Now if you use that to say you beat it? Well I wouldn't count it, but ultimately who cares. The enjoyment for that game is not 'beating' it but the thrill of the arena combat.

Not sure why that was posted but JFC the world misses Phil Hartman.

@Hollywoodcaddy probably as close as you're gonna get. $270 seems fair.

But the minimum first print run is 100K to see equitable profit from the cost of burning in the chip with the video game software, (Nintendo may have had business rules for a larger amount). Where's your proof? This is because the real cost of a chip is in building the masks. Fabrication facilities charge to build these masks (a series of maps in software that tell the fabrication machine where to apply material for each stage, a series of chemical and photolithograph masks, order of operations for masking, etching and impregnation of materials, and the rules for deconflicting steps in the process), for this chip process the cost was around $500,000. (its more for smaller scale chip processes). The process of burning a Mask ROM is different from an EPROM? I thought they were identical except EPROMs are obviously erasable. I thought they were like blank CDs. Also how do you know how much that process cost in the early 90s? A minimum run game like blockbuster exclusives or Little Sampson, means there would be little over three for every thousand Nintendo players out there, (give or take). Samson. Again were talking about games that were released in late 1993/94. The marketing for the NES seemed to be skewed to younger kids, where the SNES was for the older, cooler kids. Not many people were buying new NES games unless they A) were old enough to just get an NES or B) Their parents didn't want to move them into a new gaming system. Im sure based on SNES/NES sales, they could see not a lot of people were clamouring to buy new NES games but the SNES was doing well, getting all the press and promotion.Also Mega Man 5 is not all that rare, but it is less common than MM4 or MM6. It IS rare, comparatively to other major VG franchises at the time. Even now, go into a local VG store and see how often they get it. EDIT. I did want to mention 100k being the minimum could make things easier if we know its true. I always found it odd some of these rare NES games, especially ones featured in Nintendo Power (Samson, Panic Restaurant) would be printed so low when theres that much advertising? It would seem silly to put the game in the magazine that goes everywhere in the US but you can't find the game to buy.

What is he playing? It looks like a Sega CD game or something

I was thinking more 'candid' shots, not things for ads. Speaking of the Bulldog, I think I saw him play the Wrestlemania arcade game with Owen. And he had the blue PS1!

Mila is at 4-1! She must really be a gamer I don't have any here but I've seen a few wrestlers playing games. Theres one of the British Bulldog playing MTPO.

Whats so exciting about it?

No

Yeah this is exactly what I was going for, which is why MM5 is rarer than MM6. In fact, I was at my friends house yesterday (I showed him Mega Man V for GB and we played it on the Super Game Boy). His wife was telling me a story that they had Mega Man 1 - 4 but then they saw Mega Man 6. They never saw 5. Only years later they saw it, but at the time they didn't see or they would have bought it. Theres no doubt to me Capcom decided the game wouldn't be worth it for them if they had to pay the tab to print an NES game in the states on a dying system. Theres no 'test run' or anything. Either you release the game or you dont. Companies distributing the game shell out the price to get their carts made (what was it like $8 a game?) and base the amount to print on how much it would sell. If it sells really well, they'll make another print run. Its been speculated that the minimum print run was 10k carts. Id say thats feasible. AFAIK one of the only games that has a known print run is Maniac Mansion, the first run is 250k carts and then I think they added another 100k. So 350k carts and take into consideration how often you see that game. Not often, but not rare.

Im in for this

HOBBY.

Haha I should have specified its a move I love that I dont want to own

My biggest complaint is how they had to modernize it for newer audiences. But since that couldn't be avoided I liked it. Its not a classic but it wasn't embarrassing. I dug it. Also with that said, the original movie is so good, I refuse to own it as to not spoil it by watching it too many times. Might be the only movie i've ever done that with.

That would be so odd that they would make these 'test' ones. I wish I can remember where I read that Capcom was not releasing MM6 in the US but in Japan and elsewhere. I cant imagine them even starting to print test copies because why waste those resources if you think its not gonna be profitable? I suspected Capcom wanted to move on to the more successful SNES in the more 'cutting edge' country like the US, where elsewhere where they were a little behind, thought MM6 would sell well there since people haven't moved to the SNES yet or maybe wasn't even released there yet. Still interesting. I was so wanting to get a copy but since I believe it was never intended for the US im happy not going bonkers looking for copy haha

Maybe they considered SA to be part of Mexico? Or maybe it was released in Mexico and not SA? All of Latin America (Mexico, Honduras etc) all use NTSC

I can't remember where but I can remember reading that Capcom said they were not going to release MM6 in the US. I don't think it ever was intended. Im thinking that "USA" on the label really just means "NSTC". Which is why some of those games that didn't sell well went to South America. I got my F2 from Chile.

Nice. So as I always re-iterate, my hypothesis is that: The "USA" Capcom MM6 was actually released in NTSC countries outside the US. (First print late 93) The -1 Nintendo MM6 was for the US (Early 94, after Capcom gave Nintendo the rights for distribution after saying they were not going to release it in the US) The Playtronics MM6 is Brazilian and was printed in 1996!

I once repaired a game where the PRG chip was bad. So I put in an EPROM but still kept the original but dead chip. I think for something like this, someone might not mind since the price would have to have been dropped because it was essentially broken. Also the person buying it has to know that it has been repaired as well.

They havent, a MAJORITY of cards/comics are worthless. Only a few are worth a lot. Most of the sports cards / comics are also legitimately rare because they're pieces of paper that have happened to have lasted over FIFTY years without being lost or damaged. And its USUALLY from doctors/lawyers/actors driving the price up who are buying back their childhoods that always wanted that card or comic they couldn't have. Now its been part of pop culture but it took decades. Also it can be as a status symbol, "I have the first Super Man!" "I have a Honus Wagner". Its only a 'smart' investment if you got them cheap either a LONG time ago or by accident. If you're getting into NES now because you think the prices are gonna go up higher, I think you're a fool. Hell prices were going down right before COVID and now with that boom, its just gonna take a bit longer for it to go back down. We're talking about media thats at best 30 years old. There are STILL plenty of games around, aside from some notable exceptions. You think anyone except people going for a full set care about Stadium Events? No. MAYBE Mario, but who cares about Samus, Kid Icarus, the average person doesn't know or care about it. If SE wasn't considered part of the set, no one would care to own it and its price would sink. If you have 12k to spend on a game because you think its worth more? I dunno, to me it seems like money isnt really a problem for you. These things that are only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. If I have an incredibly rare variant that people want, the price is very high. But I have a rare variant of something no one cares about, its not worth anything. Thinking of these things as investments is a short term goal at best. A few games will still have value for the people that care about it, but most wont. I say, in the long run, no one is gonna care and why should they? As time moves on less and less new people are gonna care about them or they're gonna get priced out. New people is what is gonna keep the prices up, else you're just passing the same dollar to the same group of people.

Long term value? Id say you're smoking the hopium. But hey, its your money to throw away not mine.

I was working at a local electronics store and teaching guitar. But I left the electronics store right before covid looking for something better. So im just treading water until things start really opening up. Luckily I had plenty saved cuz all I did was work.

Well, pulling a leg out of a chip :P. Just a tad more intrusive haha

I think I got it for like 3 or 4 bucks a couple of years ago but I think I remember hearing rumblings about it being rare. But its price seems to be exorbitant.