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[CodysGameRoom | 2,008]

[CodysGameRoom | 2,008]

Supreme Court says Trump can weaken Obamacare contraceptive mandate

The Supreme Court on Wednesday cleared the way for the Trump administration to expand exemptions for employers who have religious or moral objections to complying with the Affordable Care Act's contraceptive mandate.

Women are now at risk to lose their contraceptive coverage. Such a dick move. 7-2 vote. Our Supreme court is a fucking joke.

[Doctornick | 419]

3 hours ago, MrWunderful said:

Sorry pal, Fake news.  Plus Doctor Nick is being sarcastic. 
 

Facts are facts, no “ checking” required. 
 

Fox news’s highest rated show is Tucker Carlsons OPINION SHOW .who is an unabashed racist and insults veterans.  Its simply Un-american No wonder they are hemmoraging sponsors. 
Fox news is Simply Trumpster fire facist propaganda, designed to suck Ad money from easy to control people (or “sheep”)

Thank you for picking up on that....and Estil (idk how to multi quote) there are plenty of unbiased sources out there, or close to no bias.  Fox News and MSNBC are not among them.  That nifty chart someone posted earlier has plenty of options where you can find facts not dumped on with political opinions.

[Gloves | 11,791]

Just now, Doctornick said:

Thank you for picking up on that....and Estil (idk how to multi quote) there are plenty of unbiased sources out there, or close to no bias.  Fox News and MSNBC are not among them.  That nifty chart someone posted earlier has plenty of options where you can find facts not dumped on with political opinions.

Click on the plus sign for all the posts you want to quote:

[Doctornick | 419]

1 hour ago, Gloves said:

Click on the plus sign for all the posts you want to quote:

You are a true legend, even if you're from Canada and not a member of New Balance for life yet

[Silent Hill | 276]

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/president-donald-j-trumps-america-first-policies-uplifting-empowering-hispanic-americans/

Edited July 9, 2020 by Silent Hill

[Strange | 1,700]

I guess the RNC is promoting Biden now? Seems like a positive ad to me... but I mean FDR only got elected what, like 4 times?

 

[MrWunderful | 2,927]

1 hour ago, The Strangest said:

I guess the RNC is promoting Biden now? Seems like a positive ad to me... but I mean FDR only got elected what, like 4 times?

 

Isnt FDR considered one of the best presidents weve ever had? (Behind Trump of course, who is 10x better)

[Hammerfestus | 3,857]

Last few years I’ve seen them try to spin FDR as some sort of colossal socialist failure that ?made our recovery from the Great Depression worse?  So bizarre.

[avatar! | 1,819]

https://www.wcvb.com/article/black-birdwatcher-in-central-park-911-call-has-not-cooperated-with-prosecutors-nyt-reports/33251882

I have SO much respect and admiration for Christian Cooper! This planet needs many more such people. 

[Reed Rothchild | 9,547]

4 hours ago, MrWunderful said:

Isnt FDR considered one of the best presidents weve ever had? (Behind Trump of course, who is 10x better)

Turn your brain off.  Nothing matters or means anything anymore.

[MrWunderful | 2,927]

13 minutes ago, avatar! said:

https://www.wcvb.com/article/black-birdwatcher-in-central-park-911-call-has-not-cooperated-with-prosecutors-nyt-reports/33251882

I have SO much respect and admiration for Christian Cooper! This planet needs many more such people. 

Yeah me too. 
 

While I am happy she “got what was coming”, I dont think bringing charges against her is going to do anything to further the cause. She did a terrible thing, and the wrath of the internet came down hard. 

[Californication | 1,477]

4 hours ago, Hammerfestus said:

Last few years I’ve seen them try to spin FDR as some sort of colossal socialist failure that ?made our recovery from the Great Depression worse?  So bizarre.

Agreed. From what I read in the "Peoples History of the United States," FDR wasn't a Socialist. FDR chose to do socialistic programs because Americans were beginning to see Capitalism and as a failure and Socialistic ideology was spreading. FDR created socialistic programs to calm the people dow and maintain capotalism because it was a way of appeasing the country with less than what they wanted.

All that being said, I could care less about his motivations because his decisions created some of the greatest programs in our history.

Edited July 10, 2020 by Californication

[cartman | 195]

32 minutes ago, MrWunderful said:

Yeah me too. 
 

While I am happy she “got what was coming”, I dont think bringing charges against her is going to do anything to further the cause. She did a terrible thing, and the wrath of the internet came down 

Well you don't fuck around with police resources and involve people in potential criminal charges like that there's no need for any other external "cause" to make the situation viable. She does need some punishment but perhaps a fine instead of prison i don't know. It's kinda hard to quantify the exact severity of what she did, a police call isn't an automatic "game over" either a lot of times the police shows up and just defuses an argument/altercation.

[Estil | 1,265]

25 minutes ago, Californication said:

Agreed. From what I read in the "Peoples History of the United States," FDR wasn't a Socialist. FDR chose to do socialistic programs because Americans were beginning to see Capitalism and as a failure and Socialistic ideology was spreading. FDR created socialistic programs to calm the people dow and maintain capotalism because it was a way of appeasing the country with less than what they wanted.

All that being said, I could care less about his motivations because his decisions created some of the greatest programs in our history.

He also did those Japanese (no German ones strangely) interment camps and that 1937 attempt at packing the Supreme Court ("a switch in time saved nine") so he, like pretty much all Presidents, had his dark side too.

[Californication | 1,477]

35 minutes ago, Estil said:

He also did those Japanese (no German ones strangely) interment camps and that 1937 attempt at packing the Supreme Court ("a switch in time saved nine") so he, like pretty much all Presidents, had his dark side too.

I don't think I knew that was him with the intermittent camps. Like I said, he wasn't being altruistic, it was supposedly  for self preservation of the ruling class.

[Estil | 1,265]

4 hours ago, Californication said:

I don't think I knew that was him with the intermittent camps. Like I said, he wasn't being altruistic, it was supposedly  for self preservation of the ruling class.

Yup; it was under his watch.  It was done apparently because we were so freaked out at the time about some of the Japanese in the US being in cahoots with the Empire of Japan or being spies or something...turns out among the internees (is that the right word, or even a word at all?) there was not even one.  I guess the possibility of German Americans siding with the Nazis wasn't that big a deal?  

[Tabonga | 2,324]

2 hours ago, Estil said:

Yup; it was under his watch.  It was done apparently because we were so freaked out at the time about some of the Japanese in the US being in cahoots with the Empire of Japan or being spies or something...turns out among the internees (is that the right word, or even a word at all?) there was not even one.  I guess the possibility of German Americans siding with the Nazis wasn't that big a deal?  

He issued an executive order (9066) that established the camps - so it was largely on him.  One really contradictory thing about that policy was that the Japanese in Hawaii were never put in camps - there were too many (to easily transport to the mainland) and Hawaii would not have been able to function without their presence.

There were much smaller camps for some German-Americans and some Italian Americans - they were much more selective about who went in those - largely because the Federal government had been monitoring (and broken up) Axis sympathetic groups*  before the war. So a lot had been put in prison.  And the government thought they had a handle (the Japanese were perceived as being more unnkown in that regard)  on who was doing what in those groups.

*The largest was the German American Bund.

 

Edited July 10, 2020 by Tabonga

[Estil | 1,265]

Listen I'm all for honoring and respecting the Father of Our Country; as he is first in war, first in peace, and first on the dollars of his countrymen...but not such blatant idolatry.  And I seriously doubt GW would want anything to do with these guys.   I mean these guys are just down right scary...  

Edited July 10, 2020 by Estil

[Tabonga | 2,324]

20 minutes ago, Estil said:

Listen I'm all for honoring and respecting the Father of Our Country; as he is first in war, first in peace, and first on the dollars of his countrymen...but not such blatant idolatry.  And I seriously doubt GW would want anything to do with these guys.   I mean these guys are just down right scary...  

Their referencing Washington (and use of the flag) was just an attempt at propaganda - they had no god/symbols other than Hitler and Nazi ones.

There was another pro Nazi group called the Silver Legion of America that was broken up on the outbreak of the war,

[ICrappedMyPants | 302]

11 hours ago, Californication said:

Agreed. From what I read in the "Peoples History of the United States," FDR wasn't a Socialist. FDR chose to do socialistic programs because Americans were beginning to see Capitalism and as a failure and Socialistic ideology was spreading. FDR created socialistic programs to calm the people dow and maintain capotalism because it was a way of appeasing the country with less than what they wanted.

All that being said, I could care less about his motivations because his decisions created some of the greatest programs in our history.

FDR was a great military president, but a horrible economic and domestic policies president. FDR’s tactics actually extended the Great Depression. He basically established price fixing on goods and made it a crime to charge prices below floors. He also prevented entry into business markets and created the disaster that is Social Security, the biggest pyramid scheme ever. Many of government budgetary issues and overreach into the free market were inspired by his actions. This doesn’t even get into the internment camps he set up. 
 

The four presidents I blame most for our current country’s situation are Woodrow Wilson, FDR, Richard Nixon, and Ronald Reagan. Each one has contributed in some way to America’s current state of affairs.

[Hammerfestus | 3,857]

3 minutes ago, ICrappedMyPants said:

FDR was a great military president, but a horrible economic and domestic policies president. FDR’s tactics actually extended the Great Depression. He basically established price fixing on goods and made it a crime to charge prices below floors. He also prevented entry into business markets and created the disaster that is Social Security, the biggest pyramid scheme ever. Many of government budgetary issues and overreach into the free market were inspired by his actions. This doesn’t even get into the internment camps he set up. 
 

The four presidents I blame most for our current country’s situation are Woodrow Wilson, FDR, Richard Nixon, and Ronald Reagan. Each one has contributed in some way to America’s current state of affairs.

Case in point

[ICrappedMyPants | 302]

15 hours ago, Hammerfestus said:

Last few years I’ve seen them try to spin FDR as some sort of colossal socialist failure that ?made our recovery from the Great Depression worse?  So bizarre.

This isn’t a new idea. It’s been around for decades. The production needed for WWII and the post war tax cuts saved the American economy. I would argue that the FDIC was a good idea and helped instill confidence with banks and was critical for recovery as well.

Edited July 10, 2020 by ICrappedMyPants

[Californication | 1,477]

1 hour ago, ICrappedMyPants said:

FDR was a great military president, but a horrible economic and domestic policies president. FDR’s tactics actually extended the Great Depression. He basically established price fixing on goods and made it a crime to charge prices below floors. He also prevented entry into business markets and created the disaster that is Social Security, the biggest pyramid scheme ever. Many of government budgetary issues and overreach into the free market were inspired by his actions. This doesn’t even get into the internment camps he set up. 
 

The four presidents I blame most for our current country’s situation are Woodrow Wilson, FDR, Richard Nixon, and Ronald Reagan. Each one has contributed in some way to America’s current state of affairs.

Ya, I have heard that stuff before about bFDR and disagree with most of it. 

We were in the Great Depression largely because of unregulated capitalism.

Also, tax cuts have one of the weakest returns on Government spending partially dependent on the type of cut.

I do blame the Reagan administration for much of where we are at today though. 

Edited July 10, 2020 by Californication

[Tulpa | 3,514]

1 hour ago, ICrappedMyPants said:

FDR was a great military president, but a horrible economic and domestic policies president.

Some of it was good, some wasn't. A good deal of it was actually an extension of what Hoover was doing before, but he didn't last long enough for most of it to start working.