The Spreading (And Potentially Deadly) Coronavirus Epidemic....

[RegularGuyGamer | 2,012]

1 hour ago, Link said:

What is the correct notion here? 

Addition doesn't involve floating ones and twos. That's just a algorithm, similar to what a calculator would do. Both of those method don't help people when there they don't have access to the tools like pen n pencil or batteries. 

 

Addition is easy. Add all the places separately big to small and then combine small to big. 245 + 726

200+700 =900

40+20=60

5+6=11

 

11+60+900 = 971. No one's floated. 

 

[CodysGameRoom | 2,008]

10 hours ago, RegularGuyGamer said:

No one's floated. 

 

[Tulpa | 3,492]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/white-house-report-shows-coronavirus-rates-spiking-in-heartland/ar-BB13Wi0a?li=BBnb7Kz

 

The top 10 areas saw surges of 72.4 percent or greater over a seven-day period compared to the prior week, according to a set of tables produced for the task force by its Data and Analytics unit. They include Nashville, Tennessee; Des Moines, Iowa; Amarillo, Texas; and — atop the list with a 650 percent increase — Central City, Kentucky.

On a separate list of "locations to watch," which didn't meet the precise criteria for the first set: Charlotte, North Carolina; Kansas City, Missouri; Omaha and Lincoln, Nebraska; Minneapolis, Minnesota; Montgomery, Alabama; Columbus, Ohio; and Phoenix, Arizona. The rate of new cases in Charlotte and Kansas City represented an increase of more than 200 percent over the prior week, and other tables included in the data show clusters in neighboring counties that don't form a geographic area on their own, like Wisconsin's Kenosha and Racine counties, which neighbor each other between Chicago and Milwaukee.

[arch_8ngel | 1,597]

So I get out for a after-lunch drive everyday to get my youngest to fall asleep for his nap.

It is a nice opportunity to keep a pulse of parking lot volumes at stores and crowds at the various beaches and walking areas.

 

VA is starting to open back up this weekend, as I'm sure there is immense pressure to have parks and beaches be "more normal" by Memorial Day in a couple of weeks.

But now that we are 7 weeks into some level of shutdown, combined with spring weather, there is a level of attention-fatigue setting in where no matter what rules are supposedly in place, people are going to start going out in greater numbers.

 

 

[spacepup | 2,404]

5 hours ago, Tulpa said:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/white-house-report-shows-coronavirus-rates-spiking-in-heartland/ar-BB13Wi0a?li=BBnb7Kz

 

The top 10 areas saw surges of 72.4 percent or greater over a seven-day period compared to the prior week, according to a set of tables produced for the task force by its Data and Analytics unit. They include Nashville, Tennessee; Des Moines, Iowa; Amarillo, Texas; and — atop the list with a 650 percent increase — Central City, Kentucky.

On a separate list of "locations to watch," which didn't meet the precise criteria for the first set: Charlotte, North Carolina; Kansas City, Missouri; Omaha and Lincoln, Nebraska; Minneapolis, Minnesota; Montgomery, Alabama; Columbus, Ohio; and Phoenix, Arizona. The rate of new cases in Charlotte and Kansas City represented an increase of more than 200 percent over the prior week, and other tables included in the data show clusters in neighboring counties that don't form a geographic area on their own, like Wisconsin's Kenosha and Racine counties, which neighbor each other between Chicago and Milwaukee.

While this is definitely still disturbing news (and frankly, expected), nor do I mean to minimize your point about re-opening, I'll clarify a bit that here in KY, the issue in Central City is largely driven by a HUGE outbreak in Green River Correctional Complex, where they recently started testing all inmates and hundreds are infected.  So at least that particular outlier isn't so much attributed to re-opening, but rather, specific testing for that facility which was a known hot-spot.  Obviously this alone is still a major issue that needs addressing.

Having said that, I do still have concerns about reopening to fast, and I fully expect to see more cases, and more deaths, in the places that have started opening up or loosening restrictions. I know people are antsy and want to get back out, but I hope that people will at least follow the CDC guidelines and other recommendations while out, to hopefully minimize the damage.  

Washing hands.  Wearing a mask.  Limiting exposure.  Not going to the grocery with the whole family.  There are several things we can all do, regardless of the limitations or relaxed restrictions, that can still help to potentially save lives.

[arch_8ngel | 1,597]

37 minutes ago, spacepup said:

Washing hands.  Wearing a mask.  Limiting exposure.  Not going to the grocery with the whole family.  There are several things we can all do, regardless of the limitations or relaxed restrictions, that can still help to potentially save lives.

Yeah, it is going to be a long while before I take kids shopping again.

[Link | 2,709]

20 hours ago, RegularGuyGamer said:

11+60+900 = 971. No one's floated. 

heh, I didn’t realize it when I read your prior reply, but that is what I do. I can’t remember if I was taught that, or worked it out on my own some time.

[Tulpa | 3,492]

https://www.wptv.com/news/coronavirus/jupiter-man-skeptical-of-coronavirus-gets-infected-changes-opinion

[MrWunderful | 2,927]

Florida man?

[MisterGoomba | 132]

People in NH are rearing up for a soft opening and keep telling others to stay home in your safe zone.

[Estil | 1,264]

Looks like NASCAR is gonna try racing again...I really do hope they are careful.  Don't misunderstand me, I am very much looking forward to when things start going back to normalish and I hope the reopening going on in some states works out.  At the same time though, I just have this gut feeling it might end up a one step forward several steps back kind of situation.

[Tanooki | 4,933]

I doubt it's one step forward and two back.  That's what a lot of fear mongers have been trying to shovel on people to keep them more bottled up than necessary.  It has been long enough, people have it pounded into them the steps needed to protect oneself.  NASCAR should be fairly easier to open back up to racing, not saying having the stands loaded, just to racing.  THings need to normalize by this point as much as possible, get people back to work (safely) and start moving the economy forward again before forward isn't so workably possible anymore.  I find it interesting much seems to be politicized.  More centrist and right leaning states are more about opening up, and the left ones seem to find any reason to extend the dates and they're getting more push back.  I think it's about queuing up for the election as much if not more about public safety now.  The right can play the economy needs to live game.  The left can go for their wish list of more and more government programs for people leaving the population in greater need of support.  Using that you can see the left scream how the right wants to kill people in favor of big business and killing dissenters, the right can blame the left for wanting a socialist democratic system of hands outs for everyone and high taxes to cover it.  Neither are right in that way.

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[MrWunderful | 2,927]

I love how keeping people healthy is the the rights new culture war. The reaching continues!

[Doctornick | 419]

18 minutes ago, MrWunderful said:

I love how keeping people healthy is the the rights new culture war. The reaching continues!

Yeah, I honestly am close to the point of saying let these morons go out and get sick.  When they have a friend, family member, or kid get extremely ill or even die maybe then it will resonate with them.  That's something I've never thought or said in 10 years of practicing pharmacy (clinically).

[Link | 2,709]

That’s what I came to this morning. I give up. People have not been interested in listening to experts for 20 years, they’re not going to start now. Fuck it all. Just stay the fuck away from me.

[RegularGuyGamer | 2,012]

I mean, there's over 20 antibodies test studies now and most of those show the IFR is between 0.5% and 1% and that's considering how hard nursing homes have been hit. Like ppl over 80 are around 5% IFR while 20-39 is around 0.005% 

We need to wear masks bc all the data is pointing to this being hugely airborne. With that said, if we had the necessary means to protect nursing homes, we would have a different story told by the death toll. COVID isn't the Spanish flu, or smallpox, or measles. It's worse than the seasonal flu and we don't have any immunity or reliable treatment. 

Like it or not, history might show that the shut down was an over reaction, or maybe that it was lifted too soon. The only thing to do is keep yourself informed. Preprint papers come out everyday and so much information goes unseen while stupid politically charged FB and Twitter memes get passed around like dollar bills. 

Find somewhere that you can reliably find preprint info, or somewhere that synthesizes that info for you and make good decisions.

And why the fuck wouldn't you buy a toaster on Amazon or Walmart.com like every other sensible person in the country. 

[Strange | 1,700]

I like George Takei’s take on things (summarized):

”I didn’t grow up in a Japanese internment camp just to listen to these pussies whine about being oppressed because they have to wear a mask.”

Thinking that the shut down was an overreaction is called Survivor’s Bias. I disagree with that viewpoint because I reject the notion that there’s a certain number of people that have to die before we say “Okay, now it’s a bad situation.”

I don’t wish death on anyone but I do have a chronic health condition that sometimes makes my life harder. I’ve had some of the people at work give me hell for it because I’ll be out of work for a certain amount of time. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve wished my issue could be cured by transferring it to assholes who think it’s not a big deal and that I’m overreacting. It’s the same for Coronavirus and these people who have a total lack of compassion for the dead and the mourning.

[Tulpa | 3,492]

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/glbmtk/karen_gets_upset_because_shes_not_allowed_to_shop/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x

[Tabonga | 2,317]

Colorado has recently adjusted the total death count due to the corona virus down by about 25% - from  1150 to 878.  It seems that they were counting any death where the deceased had antibodies in their system - whether that had anything to do with the death or not.

The case that brought this change/revelation about was a man who died with a BAC of.55 (which is basically walking corpse level territory due to alcohol poisoning), Because he had antibodies to the virus his death was attributed to that.  (I have heard other stories about this type of stuff but haven't followed it.)

If it happened here one wonders if 1) it is occurring elsewhere and 2) how widespread is it?

 

 

Edited May 18, 2020 by Tabonga

[Link | 2,709]

36 minutes ago, Tabonga said:

down by about 25% - from a bit over 1000 to 878

Are you sure you know how to figure restaurant tips? 

[Tabonga | 2,317]

9 minutes ago, Link said:

Are you sure you know how to figure restaurant tips? 

Heh - you are using outdated figures ^___^  - I adjusted them with the 1150 since   it seems that the first article I read was playing loose with the figures for some reason - (I am sure  that was just an accident - NOT) 150 more than 1000 is more than "a bit".

Last time  I paid a $1150 restaurant bill I am pretty sure I got the tip right without one of those bizarre (IMHO) tip cards. Although more and more places (IIRC -it has been awhile) are giving you tip options on the checkout screen.

Could explain why I always seem to get excellent service!  

Edited May 18, 2020 by Tabonga

[darkchylde28 | 1,546]

On 5/16/2020 at 1:55 PM, Tanooki said:

It has been long enough, people have it pounded into them the steps needed to protect oneself.

Not in Northeast Tennessee or Southwest Virginia they don't.  When I went out to Walmart last week (the first trip I'd made there since quarantining started around here in early March), I thought I would make it out the door without seeing a single non-staff person wearing a mask...then one elderly man happened to be coming in wearing one as I was leaving in mine; and this included a lady I assume was a nurse or doctor given she walked in ahead of me in scrubs.  Nobody was trying to keep their hands off of everything, paying any attention to the signs showing which was you were asked to go down aisles, not touching their faces, stay at least 6 feet away from other people, using hand sanitizer of any kind, etc.

Sam's was much the same, although people in there actually stayed away from one another and would generally wait for someone to clear an aisle before coming down to where they'd been (or give as wide a berth as possible to pass and say "sorry" while zipping past), and it seems that everybody who brought kids in with them made sure they were masked up even if they themselves weren't.  I think I saw one older couple wearing masks beyond the kids, while everybody else of adult age who wasn't staff just wandered around like nothing had changed.

Lowe's was the same sort of mess as Walmart, but with people trying to crowd each other constantly (although people stopped and would to through a different aisle when I'd turn and glare at them when they'd try to run right up on me--on the same side of the aisle as me, etc., like they were trying to ram me versus get around me), etc.  Glad I was able to get the drain stuff I needed and get out quick.  Staff thanked me repeatedly as I'd wait for them to pass before moving around/through where they'd been while others seemed to have no concept of personal space (let alone social distancing) and I saw at least one grab someone, presumably to ask for help, but c'mon...that wasn't cool before the pandemic.

You're either lucky enough to live in an area where most people have enough sense to take even basic precautions or have entirely overestimated the amount of common sense and decency that most people possess these days (based on my own observations as well as those shared by friends and family in various spots around the US).  I hope it's the former and, if so, don't forget that people from other areas will always travel through, so precautions like sanitizing gas pumps (or your hands after using one), etc., should remain in the forefront of everybody's minds until we're actually seeing the light on the other end of all this.

On 5/16/2020 at 7:43 PM, Doctornick said:

Yeah, I honestly am close to the point of saying let these morons go out and get sick.  When they have a friend, family member, or kid get extremely ill or even die maybe then it will resonate with them.  That's something I've never thought or said in 10 years of practicing pharmacy (clinically).

I'm sure it will either be the end of their world should someone they know get sick and die from this or just deepen their belief in conspiracy theory if/when it happens.  In either case, I have serious doubts that those people will ever own their own part in failing to prevent or even slow the spread.  If not for the lengthy, symptom-free incubation period and ease of transmission, I might have let myself start thinking "if they get it they get it" at this point.  As it is, I have too many loved ones (elderly and not, including my wife) with health conditions that basically put them at the front of the line for dying from this should they contract it.  Every idiot who can't take basic precautions is someone else who might manage to give it to me, regardless of how careful I am when I have to go out for necessities.  My mother in law can't figure out why we won't let her come into the house or our kids go over to her house to visit, all the while she constantly hangs out with my wife's two sisters, both on the front lines in the medical field, neither of which continued taking basic precautions outside of work even after the first time they were advised by HR that they might have been exposed (having administered a test to or been in the same room as a positive case, all while enclosed in full body PPE).  Stupid runs down into the bones of some of these folks, but I have to keep hoping they stay safe too, as much as I might want to give in to frustration and spite.

[Boosted52405 | 178]

On 5/17/2020 at 7:27 PM, Tulpa said:

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/glbmtk/karen_gets_upset_because_shes_not_allowed_to_shop/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x

Ha!  When the dude gave the peace sign in the background I lost it, then he started dancing, that was worth the few minutes to watch.

[avatar! | 1,810]

Missouri, the same state where some 140 were exposed by a hairstylist. Well, clearly people there couldn't give a damn....

https://www.cnn.com/videos/media/2020/05/24/ozarks-missouri-pool-party-crowd-rs-vpx.cnn

Edited May 24, 2020 by avatar!