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I dunno the more and more I look at it, the labels look fake. Who was the seller?

I think the gold ones are missing Tyson. It ends at Super Macho Man.

I dunno. Maybe? Why is it we have never seen one aside from this and the other MTPO? Never another similar Fami/NES release? Even in late 85, IIRC the adapters were only found in certain Black Box games and not all of them. Hogans Alley, Duck Hunt, Gyromite, Pinball, and Stack Up I think are the only ones that had it. Maybe one or two more? Mach Rider?

I personally don't think that Oct 87 US date is right. First print/5 screw chip dates are usually late Nov 87. Im pretty sure mine is. I always thought it was a Dec 87 release, which also falls in line with why that and Mega man are so rare as 5 screws because they were the last games to make that late 87 cut off

Heres also a Duck Hunt famicom board with the screw hole already in the middle. I dunno why its there, I dont think any of the famicom carts have a screw that fits that hole, but it seems like the adapter/nes shell was designed with this in mind http://bootgod.dyndns.org:7777/profile.php?id=1642

They were only manufactured then. But look at the front label, if its a first print it shouldn't have the PT code, and also the back label looks fake to me. And like I said, when its put together, that middle screw is blocked by the Tyson PCB. Im pretty sure on EVERY NES game with a converter, there is a hole in the japanese PCB to accomodate for that. I know every copy of Stack up has it so heres what it looks like http://bootgod.dyndns.org:7777/imagegen.php?ImageID=13224&width=600

The famicom version was released before the US version correct? Was there a later print run of the famicom games, meaning they were printed after 11/87 or early 88?

So this the 2nd one? I still can't understand how this exists since 1) the famicom adapter black box games were only made in late 85 (even the CIC chip on this adapter is 48th week of 85) and also the 5 screw shell doesn't fit in the game as the middle screw holder is blocked by the pcb. Also call me crazy but that back label looks 'sus'. PS don't the first print Mike Tysons Punch Out not have the PT code on the label? Mine doesnt.

Its like someone played telephone with 100 people about what the plot is about and the last person was challenged to write the least funny script they could come up with from what they heard. All I needed to see was the trailer and it completely lost the plot of what made GB incredible. The writing and chemistry between the characters. The definition of cringe. TBH what I think happened was there was so much hype over GB3 and when Bill Murray drug his feet about it, they decided to put something out and strike while the iron was hot with all the buzz and momentum. Including all the product placement and merchandising.

That's certainly a strong case

Thanks for the update. Ill add it! I made this list a while ago so im sure more crept in without me knowing about it.

Im not totally discounting your idea. Its the more probable one than anything else. So when a game goes bad, who were you to contact, Nintendo? Then they'd ship the game to the publisher/developer? Your theory can hold weight, but i'm trying to figure out where there would be a 5 screw TMNT 2 cart then? Everything inside and outside of it is 100% Nintendo 'branded', like all the other licensed Nintendo carts, as opposed to Silent Service, which was put together by Konami/Ultra.

Just to update, I found this list I wrote. I need to find if I made a list of all the '24' back printed, aka custom Konami PCB games, but I'm still certain they're only for simpler, 'UNROM' games. Basically any game on this list printed before 1988. With this list, it shows 5 screws being found for games that im PRETTY sure didn't have that '24' custom Konami PCB, like Tiny Toons (MMC3), TMNT 2 and 3 (MMC3), Base Wars (MMC3), Carmen Sandiego (MMC3) and just by using the Wayback Machine for bootgod, it only shows those 5 games only having Nintendo printed PCBs. Of course bootgod isn't the be all, end all but its the best cross section of games we can find. These are normal 5 screw Konami games officially released. All 87: - Gradius (1987) - Track and Field (1987) - Stinger (1987) - Top Gun (1987) - Rush n' Attack (1987) - Double Dribble (1987) - Goonies 2 (1987 Very uncommon) - Castlevania (1987, a little uncommon) Konami: - Castlevania 2 Simons Quest (1988) - Contra (1988) - Jackal (1988) - Adventures of Bayou Billy (1989) - Track and Field 2 (1989) - Super C (1990) - Top Gun 2 (1990) - Bill Elliots NASCAR (1991) - Where in Time is Carmen Sandiego (1991) - Tiny Toons (Dec 1991) - TMNT 3 (1992) Ultra: - Metal Gear (1988) - Skate or Die (1988) - Q*Bert (1989) - Silent Service (1989) - TMNT (1989) - Defender of the Crown (1989) **UPDATED** - Kings of the Beach (1990) - Rollergames (1990) - Snakes Revenge (1990) - TMNT 2 (1990) - Mission Impossible (1990) - Cyber Series Base Wars (1991) - Ski or Die (1991) These games have not been found to have a 5 screw demo/refurb carts before 1992: - Life Force (1988) - Blades of Steel (1988) - Jack Nicklaus (1990) - Castlevania 3 (1990) *RUMORED TO EXIST* - Laser Invasion (1991) - Lone Ranger (1991) Ultra 5 screw demo/refurb carts not yet found: - Gyruss (1989) - Pirates! (1991) *EDIT* Also using bootgod heres a list of all the games that use Konamis PCB boards. Might as well have everything in once place: 351258 (Konami's UNROM board) - Blades of Steel - Life Force - Silent Service - Skate or Die! 351298 (Another Konami UNROM board) - Double Dribble - Skate or Die! 351320 (Another Konami UNROM board) - Jack Nicklaus' Golf - Metal Gear -Skate or Die! UNK-Konami-ME-USA - Metal Gear 351908 (Konami's SLROM/MMC1 board) - Adventures of Bayou Billy - Ski or Die - TMNT - Track Field 2 (Rev A) 352056 (Konami's TLROM/MMC3 board) - Mission Impossible - Super C - Top Gun The Second Mission

I do have life force but it has the normal Konami board, the one where the '24' is printed on the back label, unless thats what you mean. The chip DOES say Konami, but I think its just how they printed it, as other games that dont use the NES-XX-PRG format were printed by their own developers (Like Acclaim). I want to say though that those '24' printed carts were ONLY for games that used discreet logic 74xxx mappers (Mainly UNROM), and no MMC1/MMC3 chips which some of those 5 screw 'refurbs' would have.

Oh, I didn't remember seeing Konami printed on the PCB. I'll have to look into that. Actually im not even sure if I have Life Force haha

Which Konami games have those? Do you mean the VRC chips? Those were only exclusive to Famicom games. Also Sunsoft Return of the Joker uses a custom MMC3 mapper chip (Forget the name, I think FMV?) It was the same chip that is used for the PAL Mr. Gimmick and the NTSC prototype

Thats so strange? The link actually worked a couple of hours ago. Anyway, yeah Acclaim used their own MMC3 clone chips. If you have a Roger Clemens MVP open it up, theres a good chance its in there. When I clicked the link for other games, it showed plenty of others, like Alien 3, George Forman, Super Smash TV, Bart Meets Radioactive Man (anything released after 91). I think every copy of Rollerblade Racer has it.

They did that too. Aside from the CIC chip, practically everything from those later era Acclaim games are self made. The shells (which is why they look terrible when they age, they're cheap), the labels (also cheap, which is why the glue seeps in), the PCB, and also the MMC3 clone chip Acclaim-MMC-ACC http://bootgod.dyndns.org:7777/profile.php?id=719

Acclaim did as well towards their later release games.

Are we sure about this? You would also need a 5 screw front shell as well. Did they print a new label just for that? I mean I guess its possible, because the 3 screw DKJR Maths have 3 screw front shells too. Those were documented to be printed in 86 along with the rest of the DKJR Maths

To add one thing in here, you can 'over erase' your chips, if they're left too long in the UV light. I had an issue with a chip like that. It'll burn and verify 100% but when you put it in, didn't work. Forgot how that works but i was pulling my hair out for like a week.

Im so glad this is a Canadian free thread. Now I feel comfortable talking openly about their stupid accent, stupid maple syrup, stupid trees, stupid hockey, stupid health care, and their stupid love of plaid without repercussion . ECK!

My first PPV was Survivor Series 91. Watching last nights segment was really nice. Although I wish it was a little bit better. Hoping taker left his stuff in the ring and left as 'Mark' with the piano music playing would have been nicer IMO. Still, really nice to see.

Ive definitely said this in the past and IMO its a major problem. A lot of times its 'as long as the other team doesn't win'. It would be great to find a way to remove party affiliation for people running for president. But then the candidates would be so spread out, you'd have a lot of unhappy people when theres 10 people running for office and the person that wins got 15% of the total vote. If there was only a way to combine those two. To keep it between 2 people (to keep the majority happy on their elected official, instead of a third happy) but being able to strip party affiliation to avoid people voting for the other team to lose. If that makes any sense.

Who gets to decide who gets to decide what is a universal human right and what isn't?