Console Debate #6 Playstation 4/Playstation 4 Pro

[Reed Rothchild | 9,521]

9 hours ago, Gloves said:

I've played PS4 extensively and it's my LEAST favorite Sony console. I'm including handhelds, at that.

Interesting.  Mine would be the PSP, but I never played the PS4 or Vita.  PS1, PS2, and PS3 is a tough call for me.

[Gloves | 11,776]

3 minutes ago, Reed Rothchild said:

Interesting.  Mine would be the PSP, but I never played the PS4 or Vita.  PS1, PS2, and PS3 is a tough call for me.

PSP is amazing what drugs are you on?

[Reed Rothchild | 9,521]

3 hours ago, Gloves said:

PSP is amazing what drugs are you on?

Caffeine and alcohol

...also, what am I supposed to put last from those four choices?

[JamesRobot | 5,800]

Only played it a handful of times.  Haven't really cared about a home Sony console since the PS2.  I voted "no interest."  Honestly, modern games are mostly too involved and epic for me.  

 

[TDIRunner | 2,734]

11 minutes ago, JamesRobot said:

Honestly, modern games are mostly too involved and epic for me.  

 

You have to ignore a substantial portion of the library to believe this statement.  The Indie scene is about as big on the PS4 as it's been on all other consoles combined.  None of those games would fit your description, and yet most of them are a lot of fun to play.  

[TDIRunner | 2,734]

3 hours ago, Gloves said:

PSP is amazing what drugs are you on?

He never said it wasn't amazing.  If I'm including handhelds, I would also probably rank it last, but I would still consider it an amazing console.  It's pretty awesome that the worst console from Sony is still a fantastic product.  

[Californication | 1,477]

I think PS3 would be last for me. 

I'm still working through my PS4 games, but Dead Cells, Mega Man 11, Doom 2016, Nioh, Nex Machina, and Blaspemous are all 5 stars for me. This is just a little piece of the library and look at the genre spread two platformers, a FPS, a Nes/souls gonna die a lot rpg style action game, a twin stick shooter, and a metroidvania platformer. 

Even better, these are all pick up and play.

And they are still releasing games. If R-Type Final 2 and Cybershadow are as good as they look the library is going to start knocking on the PS1 door imo.

[Webhead123 | 675]

I was torn between rating it an 8 or 9 but I gave it the benefit of the doubt and went with 9. It has/had some killer exclusives and the Dualshock continues to be one of the best, most intuitive controller designs around.

[DoctorEncore | 3,691]

Since we're suddenly talking about the worst Sony console/portable, I think it's easily PS3/PSP. I wouldn't even bat an eye if someone told me I could never play another game from those systems again. My Sony rankings would be

1. PS1
2. PS4
3. PS2
4. PS3
5. Vita
6. PSP.

Edited December 13, 2020 by DoctorEncore

[DorkOverlord | 686]

I'd have rated it higher if it were backwards compatible. Yes, I own a PS1 and a PS2, but it would be nice to play them all on one system. 

[Brickman | 3,983]

2 hours ago, Californication said:

I think PS3 would be last for me. 

I'm still working through my PS4 games, but Dead Cells, Mega Man 11, Doom 2016, Nioh, Nex Machina, and Blaspemous are all 5 stars for me. This is just a little piece of the library and look at the genre spread two platformers, a FPS, a Nes/souls gonna die a lot rpg style action game, a twin stick shooter, and a metroidvania platformer. 

Even better, these are all pick up and play.

And they are still releasing games. If R-Type Final 2 and Cybershadow are as good as they look the library is going to start knocking on the PS1 door imo.

None of those are exclusive though. They're awesome games but you can get similar or better experience on any other console or PC currently. So that's why I don't think the library is as strong as say the Switch which actually has exclusives for it.

PS2 on the other hand has heaps of exclusives that you couldn't get anywhere else at the time and were heaps of fun.

 

[JamesRobot | 5,800]

4 hours ago, TDIRunner said:

You have to ignore a substantial portion of the library to believe this statement.  The Indie scene is about as big on the PS4 as it's been on all other consoles combined.  None of those games would fit your description, and yet most of them are a lot of fun to play.  

I can appreciate that.  I don't know what it is beyond that though.  Nothing has really hit me as exceptional in the last few years. Probably just got old.

[Californication | 1,477]

2 hours ago, Shmup said:

None of those are exclusive though. They're awesome games but you can get similar or better experience on any other console or PC currently. So that's why I don't think the library is as strong as say the Switch which actually has exclusives for it.

PS2 on the other hand has heaps of exclusives that you couldn't get anywhere else at the time and were heaps of fun.

 

As a rule of thumb I exlude pc's from these debates. If you had to ask me why I would say: a. Computer games can play differently from one computer to the next, b. a computer has to be maintained so a game may not play the same on the same pc over time, and c. computers have different life cycles than consoles so they are not even comparisons.

And even though many of the indie games are avail. on the switch although not all  only the PS4 allows you to switch from Triple A giant games like Horizon Zero Dawn, Ghosts of Tsushima, Bloodborne, God of War, etc. to the vast selection of Indie games. I didn't mention the PS4 triple A games or sandbox games because I haven't played them yet - those are thr last games I will be playing.

Edit: Some of the Indie games on PS4 and not on Switch Maldita Castilla, Nex Machina, Shadow Complex, Deadlight Director's Cut, Battle Garegga, Ketsui Deathtiny, Skyforce Anniversary reloaded (physical).

Edited December 14, 2020 by Californication

[Dr. Morbis | 2,088]

9 hours ago, fox said:

What’s insane is right now is more people have played 3DO than PS4 according to the number of votes.  

3DO has a unique feel to it, much like most all pre-PS2 systems do; PS4, on the other hand, feels (to me) like a super generic modern gaming platform with a library that's probably 90% cross-platform games also available on its rival contemporaries and Steam...

[TDIRunner | 2,734]

Everyone is going to need to remember their rankings when we inevitably get to the PS2, PS3, PSP and Vita debates. 

[Brickman | 3,983]

2 hours ago, Californication said:

As a rule of thumb I exlude pc's from these debates. If you had to ask me why I would say: a. Computer games can play differently from one computer to the next, b. a computer has to be maintained so a game may not play the same on the same pc over time, and c. computers have different life cycles than consoles so they are not even comparisons.

And even though many of the indie games are avail. on the switch although not all  only the PS4 allows you to switch from Triple A giant games like Horizon Zero Dawn, Ghosts of Tsushima, Bloodborne, God of War, etc. to the vast selection of Indie games. I didn't mention the PS4 triple A games or sandbox games because I haven't played them yet - those are thr last games I will be playing.

Edit: Some of the Indie games on PS4 and not on Switch Maldita Castilla, Nex Machina, Shadow Complex, Deadlight Director's Cut, Battle Garegga, Ketsui Deathtiny, Skyforce Anniversary reloaded (physical).

Yeah that's a fair point in regards to PC. I have a gaming PC so for me it is all about the exclusives these days, or in the case of multi platform games, do I prefer the Switch portable ability over PC? 9/10 times I go Switch for indies and for AAA I go PC, so that's probably why I barely touch my PS4.

Makes a bit more sense now why people like the PS4 so much.

 

[fox | 1,667]

PS4 has Hundreds of exclusives

3DO has like 30

Uncharted ain’t got $hit on Way of the Warrior tho

[SpoonMan Abrams X | 697]

8/10 just for God of War

[Californication | 1,477]

1 hour ago, Shmup said:

Yeah that's a fair point in regards to PC. I have a gaming PC so for me it is all about the exclusives these days, or in the case of multi platform games, do I prefer the Switch portable ability over PC? 9/10 times I go Switch for indies and for AAA I go PC, so that's probably why I barely touch my PS4.

Makes a bit more sense now why people like the PS4 so much.

 

 

Thanks.

The more I think about it, it does kind of hurt the PS4 that so many premium indie are multi-platform.

I don't think the PS4/Switch libraries should get zero credit for the multi-platform games, but maybe each game should be like partial credit. That is kind of the way I look at remasters also, like the Dark Souls Trilogy Remastered, Batman Arkhum Knight, Metal Slug those aren't new to PS, but the PS4 should get some sort of credit for making them physically avail.

 

[themisfit138 | 523]

8/10. I have mostly played remasters on PS4. The few original games I remember playing are Witcher 3, Spiderman, FFXV, and Ghost of Tsushima. I know there is more that is just what I can think of. 

Edited December 14, 2020 by themisfit138

[Reed Rothchild | 9,521]

12 hours ago, Californication said:

 

Thanks.

The more I think about it, it does kind of hurt the PS4 that so many premium indie are multi-platform.

I don't think the PS4/Switch libraries should get zero credit for the multi-platform games, but maybe each game should be like partial credit. That is kind of the way I look at remasters also, like the Dark Souls Trilogy Remastered, Batman Arkhum Knight, Metal Slug those aren't new to PS, but the PS4 should get some sort of credit for making them physically avail.

 

2/3 credit for making the game available in handheld form 

[DefaultGen | 5,401]

6 for me. Hard to give anything modern a high score because the systems have so much less personality of their own with all the big games being multiplatform, but PS4 does have some cool exclusives. They’re largely 3D action games which isn’t my main jam though.

Should I lower my score because the PS4 Pro scammed me into buying a console for better performance and tons of games still dip below 30fps?

[fox | 1,667]

My go to console for the last gen.  Awesome graphics.  Easy to use online.  Fantastic set of first and second party titles from Sony and a massive library of third party games.  All around, a great system.

[Estil | 1,264]

So now only did Sony just release a software update for the PS4...but they hadn't forgotten about the PS3!  Or Nintendo with the 3DS for that matter...

[SilverspoonGaming | 332]

I gave it an 8/10 because it wasnt life changing for me like NES or PS1, but I have put countless hours into playing the latest versions of all of the games I normally play thru the year.