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Omnicrom us starting to kick off here, paired with Taiwanense New Year being just around the corner and shortened quarantine times to appease the lions, err I mean the rich folks, coming to Taiwan for the holidays. Not really looking forward to this at all.

Kind of did the reverse, saw it was the top slot and CVIII was much lower on the list, realised it was a garbage list and closed out.

I hate to admit it, but I agree with Goosey on a large portion of his thoughts; however, there are a few things on which I disagree. First off, Goosey states that Seth's list ranks lesser and unknown titles higher than some homebrew staples, and he's none too pleased. That being said, I don't think it should be in Goosey's position to decide what is and isn't a "lesser" homebrew title, considering he is making that stuff himself. Honestly not a good look, and if we really want to bring up crap, iirc he stated on NA that he was tickled to see anyone making homebrew stuff, even if it weren't great in quality, before admitting to shoddy products himself. Times have changed, but I still don't find it right for homebrew guys to be judging other hobbyists works as shoddy or not. Regarding the rom requirement Seth has, I sort of understand it. One of the bits I really hate about the homebrew scene is that you gotta jump through flaming hoops just to purchase games, even if there is a demand. If the person doesn't want to make it available aside from a limited edition that sells out immediately, with hundreds disappointed, then imo the game doesn't deserve a place on the list, info other offering is to be made available. Yeah, it's the designers choice, but it's also the authors choice about what to include on his top 100 list

Yeah definitely not for me at all, and honestly, they shouldn't be comparing the originals vs the Metroid style anyways. Comparing styles separately would say a lot more than just personal preference, it's like comparing the original mega man's versus the X series, etc.

Providing such little information is worse than providing none at all. Otherwise, I cannot properly make a decision as to whether I want to use a product or not.

If someone pays with a check or money order, will it get logged?

Snuck this from my stock, eh the classroom.

It's hard to argue why the sticker NES miracle pianos don't count or are less "real", if they were done at company level. Preferences, for sure, I totally agree and if I were to buy one only would do the same as you; however real or not, yeah, actually it's a legitimate version as the company did it. Someone trying to get the whole enchilada like yourself, best get both sets...

I use FB solely to market and advertise shit that I'm being paid to advertise. VGS is the real deal, the reason for the season haha

One more Time, I'm in!

No, logic doesn't dictate that the "real" NES version came first. It becomes a complicated matter - what was the company's budget? Did they see the project as high risk? Were they just a start up, scraping by on a shoestring budget? (Maybe Mindscape itself wasn't, but perhaps little budget was given to the NES department?) As a business owner myself (www.nihaosnacks.com , send me a PM before you place your order and I'll give you 10% off), both scenarios have logical explanations behind them. As said earlier, BIC went from reusing extras to making their own non-generics, yet Sega reused. Read above, both are equally valid possibilities, and both have happened before in the gaming world, whether large company or small. Since the NES-dedicated box hasn't really appeared in Canada, yet the other has, perhaps the NES-dedicated box was only for USA region? Oh, you totally misread / twisted my words there. My point was that both are equally as valid official versions. While I agree that if someone were to collect one set, the dedicated box with dedicated manual is much more desirable, this doesn't change the fact that the company took generic boxes, printed off a sticker (to market as a NES version), threw a NES cartridge in the box, and then sold it as a NES version. These weren't done by a random online or what not, these were done under company orders - therefore, these are also official NES versions, equally as "REAL" as the ones with the NES box. Well considering the company assembled the other sets as NES sets, I don't think you have much ground to stand on here buddy. Both sets are equally as real NES Miracle Pianos. Yup, perhaps Canada didn't get that one. It's been a boring weekend, and Mondays particularly suck, schedule wise. Give me something exciting to wake up to

Probably the version with the dedicated box was USA ONLY, and the other one was when we offloaded surplus to Canada.

@Dr. Morbis: It's fun and games to push your personal opinions and feelings on the collecting community, but whether you like it or not, the sticker marks the product as official, and in other cases, not a sticker, yet still reused parts. This goes far beyond you getting off on pictures of teenage fcgamer with a Game Axe 1. What's the difference between a North American and a European SMS Sonic? A sticker. 2. How about the Sega Mega Drive stuff for the Asian region? A mix of spare NTSC / PAL parts, a sticker slapped on, etc etc 3. Initial BIC carts on Famicom (i.e. Codemasters games on Famicom): housed in Camerica NES boxes. Only later did clamshell versions arrive on scene. 4. NES in the Middle East?? Mere stickers... 5. NES in South Africa? Mere stickers... 6. Famicom / SFC / N64 in Taiwan? Aside from a very few localized releases...mere stickers! It's become quite clear that stickers have been used (and accepted by the community) as a way of designating items, such as being from Middle East region, or Taiwan region, or South African region, or whatever. Similarly, it has been demonstrated that boxes have been repurposed for different regions, via the BIC / Camerica instance (actually Camerica did this too, and surely others have as well). So while the Miracle Piano with NES screenshots / NES verbiage is indeed an official NES Miracle Piano set, similary, whether you like it or not, the "generic" Miracle Piano BOX with a STICKER dedicating it for the NES, is ALSO an official NES MIracle Piano set. To put it in simpler terms: If you truly are trying to get all the stuff, get both sets, don't be a cheap @ss!

If you want, I'll just murder you off again

Consider me in!

As a guy who knows he can't sing, it's amusing that even now I've been forced to be the singer of my band.

They screwed up some of the actions, therefore F in my book

That's actually how I do my music classes if the admin asks me to sing...

You're right, the rabbit hole does go a bit deeper, but not in the way that you are suggesting. Show me the proof you have for the bolded part of your claims. The claim you laid down could be the reality of the matter, but it also might not be. An equally plausible scenario would be that the generic boxes were made first, as a means of getting the product out there to meet deadlines, as quickly as possible. Or in a slightly different scenario, the generic box was created to cut on costs, and only after seeing demand for the other versions were console-specific boxes created. Before drawing conclusions, it'd be best to examine all of the boxes for a better picture (a quick search even showed a German box that had listed NES / PC in print in the corner). Furthermore, it appears that the keyboards aren't exactly the same, as a quick image search shows that some keyboards appear to have a Nintendo seal of approval printed on them...are my eyes playing tricks on me? With that bit out of the way, let's get down to one final point. It doesn't matter if some boxes are generic + stickers, and others were dedicated for one machine: These are both equally valid / true NES Miracle Piano boxes, made by the company. Of course we all prefer the box that was specifically printed, rather than the "generic" box, but the item was obviously sold in both, so both are equally as "real", yea it sucks for you buddy, keeping it real, gotta get both if you are trying to collect variants...

Hopefully I'm subsidizing Pennsylvania, but likely I'm subsidizing bullshit.

Well, yeah. Taiwan's exactly the same. Outsiders will notice them though, at least until they get used to it. I was very earthquake sensitive when I first arrived in Taiwan. That's my point though, to say California doesn't have daily earthquakes is simply untrue, though for the uninitiated, they are imagining catastrophic huge-ass tremors most likely, whereas the reality is much much different.

Well that seems to be a bit odd, as I did a quick search and found this. Looks like daily earthquakes are indeed the norm for California.

Well are there basically "daily earthquakes"? In Taiwan there are, but to say that to someone who's never lived in an earthquake region before, the reality of the situation is much, much different from how people might imagine it to be.

I contribute to the nation too, and I don't even live there anymore.

Oh wow, that's cool. I've only been through that way over the past ten years though, when flying to Taiwan or back home. In all seriousness though, I do try to avoid that airport because of the delays, preferring to just transfer in Tokyo. Always did enjoy the 7 AM beers from Gordan Biersch though.