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[NESfiend | 1,515]

8 minutes ago, Estil said:

All the more reason I respect SP more...no sacred cows, nothing is above being parodied.

And its only gotten better. I remember seeing "Giant Douche vs. Turd Sandwich" years and years back and thinking how clever it was. The political parody has evolved so well that stuff like that seems basic and vanilla compared to what they do now. 

[Estil | 1,265]

We're already looking ahead to 2028?

 

[NESfiend | 1,515]

7 minutes ago, Reed Rothchild said:

Both sides increasingly the see the other as evil.  Collaboration and compromise continue to go extinct.

How and can we reverse that?  Because it ain't gonna take us to good places.

Picking Joe Biden over Bernie Sanders was a GREAT start. There are some Republican congressmen and senators in swing states who are sweating reelection big time because they have supported Trump's craziness. I share your fears big time, but there are some signs its starting to turn. Biden at -160 is a great sign. 

[Silent Hill | 276]

3 minutes ago, NESfiend said:

Picking Joe Biden over Bernie Sanders was a GREAT start. There are some Republican congressmen and senators in swing states who are sweating reelection big time because they have supported Trump's craziness. I share your fears big time, but there are some signs its starting to turn. Biden at -160 is a great sign. 

Curious on what you think Biden will do if elected and how that would translate to a better economy, job market, and equality for all citizens. 

[Tulpa | 3,534]

8 minutes ago, captmorgandrinker said:

I mean, look how much of the popular vote Perot managed to snag in '92.   If that can translate into electoral votes, '24 or '28 could get interesting if the big two keep trotting out fossils for us to pick from.

The problem is the established political machines present in each state. Anyone can get on the ballot and get a good chunk of the popular vote, probably enough to steal votes from a candidate. Getting the electoral votes is a whole other enchilada. There's a reason Trump and Sanders both aligned themselves as Republican and Democratic candidates. 

Last person to do that was George Wallace in 1968, but he was already establishment from being governor of Alabama, and wasn't really trying to win the election. He wanted to prevent both Nixon and Humphrey from getting a majority so he could barter his electoral votes to whoever kissed his ass enough.

 

[MrWunderful | 2,927]

29 minutes ago, Silent Hill said:

Nothing is wrong about any of that and I don't think I've implied otherwise. 

The most recent BLM movement has resulted in communities being destroyed, innocent people being injured/killed, city blocks being held hostage, restricted police presence/crime upticks and even racial division/segregation. Those are the things nobody in their right mind should be supporting.

You are correct. They are also the outlier. 
 

To quote the whole police brutality thing, “a few bad apples”....

 

 

[NESfiend | 1,515]

29 minutes ago, Silent Hill said:

Curious on what you think Biden will do if elected and how that would translate to a better economy, job market, and equality for all citizens. 

As far as equality for all citizens, it will go a long way that large portions of the country will no longer think they have a racist president. He won't be tweeting about "thugs," blaming protesters for bad turnout at at rally, etc. Having a voice in charge who has a reputation for listening to black people's concerns and treating them with respect will go a long way toward restoring peace even if progress is slow. 

As far as a better job market and ecomony, those things will come when the public and markets once again believe there is a competent federal government at least attempting to address the virus. As long as corona is around, the economy and markets will feel the effects. Those effects are worsened though because the white house hasn't taken it seriously or prepared any sort of response that is reasonable within the context of its powers to attack a national health crisis. The stock market didn't tank because the virus came here. The stock market tanked because the white house was denying it was a problem and the experts said otherwise (and were right). You can reopen all you like, but people have to be confident that measures are being taken to best assure their safety. President Trump is calling for less testing. Biden will be calling for more testing, more involvement from Fauci and other experts, more safety measures, etc. That will help stop the spread, but it will also give people the confidence they need to get out there work, buy, etc. Even people who like Trump weren't courageous enough to trust him that it was safe to attend HIS rally. The market was able to thrive under Trump when there was no crisis and the clown in the white house didn't matter as long as he was deregulating, tweeting, and staying out the way. The virus has reinforced the notion though that you can't throw competence by the way side when electing someone because the public may need it if a crisis comes. Well the crisis is here, on both the public health front and division on race issues. If you want the markets to turn good again, things have to get back to normal and that will never happen under Trump. 

Edit: I guess the short version is "RESTORE NORMALCY." Remember when a lot of people used to say it doesnt matter who gets elected president, dem or republican, nothing changes anyway? That may not be ideal, but its a whole lot better than what we are dealing with right now. Give me the "boring days" of Bush 2 or Obama. That is why Trump is in trouble. That is what middle of the road voters want right now and Biden is a "boring days" type of candidate. Trumps base didn't win for him the first time and it won't this time. You have to draw the middle voters and as long as defund the police BS doesn't become a mainstream concern, Biden is in the perfect position to win simply by being the boring candidate. 

Edited June 24, 2020 by NESfiend

[MrWunderful | 2,927]

2 hours ago, Estil said:

Dude the only one "disrespecting their ideas enshrined in the Constitution" are those vandals.  Trust me, I'm among the last people you could credibly accuse of not "respecting their ideas enshrined by the Constitution"

I almost forgot, DYK that the US actually had to formally apologize to India for the vandalism that was done to one of the Ghandi statues?  I thought he was among the greatest heroes in history and the George Washington of modern (1947- ) India!!

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/so-sorry-us-envoy-to-india-apologises-over-desecration-of-mahatma-gandhi-statue-in-washington/story-uCPRuDRFRdjPv6N0qs5P8O.html

So Trump soliciting foreign help from Ukraine (now China) is ok? You think the founding fathers would have approved Trump cowering like a little child in front of Putin, and believing him over the CIA? What about not releasing your taxes?

Using the attorney general to fire anyone who commits oversight?

Threatening the military on protestors?

Joking about torturing the press, and instigating violence?

 

I mean the list just goes on and on and on of ways Trump has fucked this country up.

 

All the people from the south keeping talking about confederate statues/ flags as “our heritage”- it isnt MY heritage.

Rip all those damn things down.

Not sure how I feel about the “other” statues that people want to remove, Im personally not that attached. They are just statues.

The confederacy were losers.  Treasonous racists, I am for one am glad a lot of them are being taken down. I hope Mississippi changes their flag, too.

 

 

[Silent Hill | 276]

16 minutes ago, MrWunderful said:

46 minutes ago, Silent Hill said:

Nothing is wrong about any of that and I don't think I've implied otherwise. 

The most recent BLM movement has resulted in communities being destroyed, innocent people being injured/killed, city blocks being held hostage, restricted police presence/crime upticks and even racial division/segregation. Those are the things nobody in their right mind should be supporting.

You are correct. They are also the outlier. 
 

To quote the whole police brutality thing, “a few bad apples”....

Pretty strong outlier to create these types of results across the entire country. And unfortunately people (some very powerful) are most definitely supporting these outliers. Even the Seattle mayor called CHAZ/CHOP the "Summer of Love" and supported it. Though it seems she may be backtracking now after the recent events. 

[cartman | 195]

42 minutes ago, Reed Rothchild said:

Sounds like socialism to me.  Remind me why you're not a big Bernie supporter again?

No, seriously though.  You say we should be "scared" of BLM?  That toppled statues mean a future of anarchy and whatnot?

What you should truly be afraid of is @cartman's quote. 

"Sick ass cult."

Because that is how both sides see each other now.  As enemies that should probably be destroyed.  Infighting and fingerpointing have already left our government nearly incapable of getting anything done, and every trend indicates it will only get worse and worse.

Just picture the 2028 election.  The Republicans put up another unqualified populist strongman whose main asset appears to be riling up his base by blaming all of their problems on foreigners/immigrants/liberals/etc.  Science continues to take a backseat.  Opponents call supporters racists and Nazis.

The Democrats then put up a counterweight candidate whose ideas all alienate the blue collar and middle classes because they appear to be more focused on the gay, Muslim Latino illegal aliens that want $30 an hour minimum wage and the right to vote.  Opponents call supporters Marxists and anarchists.

Both sides increasingly the see the other as evil.  Collaboration and compromise continue to go extinct.

How and can we reverse that?  Because it ain't gonna take us to good places.

I think there's legit reasons to denounce BLM's monopoly on racism, what consequences it brings and it can yet bring in the future. But that doesn't mean that there are no other political leanings that can be damaging too no both right and left radicalism are bad ideas. I don't think some kind of right wing militia or whatever is the solution just because BLM is a problem. But you do have a point with what you're saying that political dividing and battling is a reality and that a problem too.

[MrWunderful | 2,927]

23 minutes ago, Silent Hill said:

Pretty strong outlier to create these types of results across the entire country. And unfortunately people (some very powerful) are most definitely supporting these outliers. Even the Seattle mayor called CHAZ/CHOP the "Summer of Love" and supported it. Though it seems she may be backtracking now after the recent events. 

And Trump said there was “good people on both sides” of the Charleston rally. It goes both ways. The seattle mayor supports CHAZ (which I personally dont agree with) and Trump supports white nationalists who kill people with their cars. Who is right?

[Tabonga | 2,337]

[ThePhleo | 2,185]

33 minutes ago, MrWunderful said:

The confederacy were losers.  Treasonous racists, I am for one am glad a lot of them are being taken down. I hope Mississippi changes their flag, too.

The confederacy is no ones heritage. It only existed from February 8, 1861 to May 5, 1865. That’s 4 years and 3 months...

Ive waited for games to come out three to four times as longer than the confederacy even existed. I’m not lying either...Doom, Final Fantasy 15, Kingdom Hearts 3, Duke Nukem Forever, Half Life Alyx.

What kind of heritage can form over four years? None.

Anyone who flies that flag or claims any legacy from that era are traitors to the United States of America and are guilty of treason.

Same goes for the Nazi flag flyers.

 

America fought two wars against their types, and both of them lost. I’ll bet good money that there’s a sizable overlap on a Venn diagram between neo-nazi’s and modern confederates.

[Silent Hill | 276]

21 minutes ago, MrWunderful said:

And Trump said there was “good people on both sides” of the Charleston rally. It goes both ways. The seattle mayor supports CHAZ (which I personally dont agree with) and Trump supports white nationalists who kill people with their cars. Who is right?

Are you referring to Charlottesville? 

[cartman | 195]

26 minutes ago, MrWunderful said:

And Trump said there was “good people on both sides” of the Charleston rally. It goes both ways. The seattle mayor supports CHAZ (which I personally dont agree with) and Trump supports white nationalists who kill people with their cars. Who is right?

There are good people and bad people who kill people with their cars. Good people and bad people on all sides. Good cars and bad cars.

[Reed Rothchild | 9,584]

57 minutes ago, ThePhleo said:

The confederacy is no ones heritage. It only existed from February 8, 1861 to May 5, 1865. That’s 4 years and 3 months...

Ive waited for games to come out three to four times as longer than the confederacy even existed. I’m not lying either...Doom, Final Fantasy 15, Kingdom Hearts 3, Duke Nukem Forever, Half Life Alyx.

What kind of heritage can form over four years? None.

Anyone who flies that flag or claims any legacy from that era are traitors to the United States of America and are guilty of treason.

Same goes for the Nazi flag flyers.

 

America fought two wars against their types, and both of them lost. I’ll bet good money that there’s a sizable overlap on a Venn diagram between neo-nazi’s and modern confederates.

The way I see it is...

Being English is also our heritage.  You want to attend NASCAR races and wave the Union Jack while wearing a powdered wig and makeup?

Be my guest.  It's a free country.

...but we're also free to laugh at you and say you're an idiot.

Obviously African-Americans from the South probably have just a little bit less levity with it...

[Kguillemette | 1,547]

42 minutes ago, cartman said:

There are good people and bad people who kill people with their cars. Good people and bad people on all sides. Good cars and bad cars.

What? The spirit of the phrasing was clearly murder using a car as a weapon. There is no such thing as a good murderer. Are you just being a troll here?

[MrWunderful | 2,927]

1 hour ago, Silent Hill said:

Are you referring to Charlottesville? 

Yes, i was using talk to text. 

[MrWunderful | 2,927]

1 hour ago, cartman said:

There are good people and bad people who kill people with their cars. Good people and bad people on all sides. Good cars and bad cars.

What good people drive a car through protestors, murdering one?

[Silent Hill | 276]

2 hours ago, MrWunderful said:

3 hours ago, Silent Hill said:

Pretty strong outlier to create these types of results across the entire country. And unfortunately people (some very powerful) are most definitely supporting these outliers. Even the Seattle mayor called CHAZ/CHOP the "Summer of Love" and supported it. Though it seems she may be backtracking now after the recent events. 

And Trump said there was “good people on both sides” of the Charleston rally. It goes both ways. The seattle mayor supports CHAZ (which I personally dont agree with) and Trump supports white nationalists who kill people with their cars. Who is right?

I can't find where Trump supported the driver of that car, or supported white nationalists/neo-nazis, though his statement about "good people on both sides" wasn't the best thing to say. I honestly don't think his intention was to claim that any white nationalist or neo-nazi are "good people", especially since he condemned them earlier in his statement.

Regardless, I don't care for Trump and I don't think he's a good president (he talks straight from the ass, though he has done some good things). That said, I sure as shit don't respect people like the Mayor of Seattle. Hopefully we can all agree on that.

My biggest concern with Biden is that he's made tons of racist remarks over his tenure and I'm not aware of anything he's done over 40+ years to help the minority communities, in fact there's quite a few things he's done to stunt their improvement. At least Trump has implemented things that have impacted minorities (especially black people) in a positive way. 

 

Edited June 24, 2020 by Silent Hill

[cartman | 195]

1 hour ago, MrWunderful said:

What good people drive a car through protestors, murdering one?

It was a joke.

[cartman | 195]

1 hour ago, Kguillemette said:

What? The spirit of the phrasing was clearly murder using a car as a weapon. There is no such thing as a good murderer. Are you just being a troll here?

Yes.

[MrWunderful | 2,927]

12 minutes ago, Silent Hill said:

I can't find where Trump supported the driver of that car, or supported white nationalists/neo-nazis, though his statement about "good people on both sides" wasn't the best thing to say. I honestly don't think his intention was to claim that any white nationalist or neo-nazi are "good people", especially since he condemned them earlier in his statement.

Regardless, I don't care for Trump and I don't think he's a good president (he talks straight from the ass, though he has done some good things). That said, I sure as shit don't respect people like the Mayor of Seattle. Hopefully we can all agree on that.

My biggest concern with Biden is that he's made tons of racist remarks over his tenure and I'm not aware of anything he's done over 40+ years to help the minority communities, in fact there's quite a few things he's done to stunt their improvement. At least Trump has implemented things that have impacted minorities (especially black people) in a positive way. 

 

I mean, we all know that Trump is racist, But the common argument seems to be “well we don’t know what he is thinking“ . 

 

Yes we do. Trump can be read like a book, and is constantly getting played by other countries like China and Russia.

 

I’ll be voting for Biden for the sheer fact that he’s not a degenerate liar and he will try to improve America standing on the world stage.
 

Oh and he admits when hes wrong. 
 

and I don’t feel that he’s going to accuse Donald Trump of treason if Trump gets voted out baselessly (Although I can’t wait to see Trump get tied up in court for years- Fingers crossed he does go to jail for treason)
 

 

[Silent Hill | 276]

3 hours ago, NESfiend said:

3 hours ago, Silent Hill said:

Curious on what you think Biden will do if elected and how that would translate to a better economy, job market, and equality for all citizens. 

As far as equality for all citizens, it will go a long way that large portions of the country will no longer think they have a racist president. He won't be tweeting about "thugs," blaming protesters for bad turnout at at rally, etc. Having a voice in charge who has a reputation for listening to black people's concerns and treating them with respect will go a long way toward restoring peace even if progress is slow. 

Are we talking about the same Joe Biden here? He's made countless racist remarks and I'm not aware of anything he's done to help the black community in his 40+ year tenure. (Though I'm aware of some things he's done to hurt the black community)

[captmorgandrinker | 1,650]

6 minutes ago, cartman said:

Yes.

You can stop it now.