Crime & Punishment -- USA Edition

[Tanooki | 4,933]

Yeah well you know what?  The McD's CEO is 100% right on his comment that pissed off a bunch of people who are political hacks to just utterly in denial fools.  What is going on in their own stores IS what's happening all over that city, don't like it?  Don't get mad at him fix it, stop pandering to the crimes so the increase.  People don't rip on Chicago because they want to, it's because it's unsafe completely from various violent crimes including death.  The article even opened up how the babies also went after the Wholefoods CEO too, again person was correct, too much socialism mentality crossed with younger people feeling over entitled to shit without working for it...not a majority mind you but enough to create a bad illusion.  Even Starbucks in that article was int he crosshairs because they had to shut down stores in major cities because the crime got so bad the employees were under threat.  But hey, it makes a good bite line to blame others and keep the crime going because you know...cops bad, pacifying counselors goo.

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On 9/18/2022 at 2:03 PM, Tabonga said:

This is rather sobering if not outright scary:

https://www.thestreet.com/investing/mcdonalds-ceo-chicago-crime

Whole Foods CEO says the same thing

https://www.businessinsider.com/whole-foods-ceo-us-socialist-young-people-dont-want-work-2022-8

"Younger people aren't quick to work because they want meaningful work," Mackey told Reason. "You can't expect to start with meaningful work. You're going to have to earn it over time."

I agree. You can't expect to just jump into the thrown when you have little to no experience. But, it's not fair to always blame the younger generation... after all. Unlike the previous generation they are much much better at things like... carjackings which are through the roof!!

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/01/us/car-theft-teens-pandemic.html

...the ages of so many who have been arrested. Fourteen-year-olds, 12-year-olds, even 11-year-olds have been charged with armed carjacking or in some cases murder. “They are children,” Robert J. Contee III, chief of Washington’s Metropolitan Police Department, said at a news conference in early February about a carjacking task force formed with the police in a neighboring county. “The fact that between Prince George’s County and D.C. we have over 200 young people that committed a carjacking is staggering to me.”

Four days after his carjacking, the same burgundy S.U.V. was seen at two separate shootings, one of them fatal, the police said. A week and a half after that, a 17-year-old was arrested and charged with the armed robbery of Mr. Fleming. But first, the teen “went on social media and took videos of driving around in my car,” Mr. Fleming said. “So I mean, we’re in a warped world.”

 

[FireHazard51 | 2,043]

On 9/16/2022 at 1:50 PM, avatar! said:

Illinois Becomes The First State To Pass "The Purge" Law

https://travelnoire.com/illinois-becomes-the-first-state-to-pass-the-purge-law

Illinois is passing a law that some would say will make history. Illinois is looking to be the first state in the United States to abolish cash bail. And the consequences of passing such a law have many believing the state could mirror the horror movie “The Purge”. In the film, citizens were given 24 hours to commit all the crimes they wanted.

On January 1st of 2023 the ‘SAFE-T’ Act will commence in the state of Illinois. This act will get rid of the cash bail system in its entirety. The name SAFE-T is an acronym for ‘Safety, Accountability, Fairness, and Equity-Today’. Those that instated the act believe it will reduce arrests and limit those put away based on the crime.

There are 12 non-detainable offenses where the new law would end cash bail. The law includes second-degree murder, arson, drug-induced homicide, robbery, kidnapping, aggravated battery, burglary, intimidation, aggravated driving under the influence, fleeing and eluding, drug offenses, and threatening a public official.

I do think there needs to be reform within the criminal justice system. BUT, you could be a suspect in second-degree murder OR arson OR kidnapping OR all of the above and more... AND still be free because of the new law?
Here's my response to that:

"There is no such thing as a “non-detainable” offense. Any alleged offender could be detained because of a risk of flight or because they are a repeat offender and those charged with the most serious crimes – which are non-probationable – can also be detained for risk to public safety.”  I heard some law reviewers talk about how this new law is taken out of context because a judge always has the ability based on flight risk or public safety to reject bail and keep them locked up.  Here is a flow chart of the whole process.

If you actually read about it, Illinois Criminal Justice Information Authority - An Examination of Illinois and National Pretrial Practices, Detention, and Reform Efforts you'll see they put in guardrails for judges to JUDGE if a person is fit for release.  Notice in your article you quoted they didn't say release was guaranteed, it was just a possibility for certain crimes which they listed.  Small detail but HUGE difference in what interpretation is from a quick read.  Personally I'm all for judges taking all aspects of a situation into consideration when it comes to things like this and sentencing.  If they have shit judgement then the public should hold them accountable by not re-electing them.

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https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/legal-experts-explain-why-the-pretrial-fairness-act-isnt-a-purge-law-in-illinois/2942257/

If the state seeks to find that a defendant must be held in pretrial detention, then they are required to hold an immediate hearing to argue their position.

Judges can issue short continuances of up to 48 hours from the filing of that petition, but a decision will need to be reached quickly.

According to the bill, even if a defendant is found to qualify for pretrial detention, periodic hearings will be held to determine whether circumstances have remained the same.

Oh yeah, that just sounds great

With our judicial system so backlogged, and with other obvious factors such as it may be impossible for the police and/or prosecutors to get enough evidence within such a short time period, seems to me like many criminals are going to be cashing it in! I'd love to believe I'm wrong, and I hope I'm wrong, but at nah I'm pretty sure this is going to be another shitshow. Eliminating cash bails for non-violent offenses sounds very promising. HOWEVER, when you can only hold a person for 48 hours who may have committed murder, arson, kidnapping... come on! How can anyone other than a criminal be happy about this?! 

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Meanwhile in NYC...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/york-man-died-victims-fought-165643285.html

The New York City man, who died after trying to rob two other men with a fake gun, served time in a facility for parole violators with a history of substance abuse for a previous attempted robbery, state records show.

Robert Compton, 33, allegedly accosted two Staten Island men early Sunday morning on their way home from a bar, brandished what looked like a handgun at them and demanded cash, according to sources with knowledge of the investigation. Meanwhile, authorities have not publicly ruled out charges against his victims, who maintain that Compton died in the course of self-defense.

Yup, sounds like NYC today. They have a "duty to retreat law" which basically means even if you are threatened with lethal force you must do everything to "retreat". Whatever that means! I bet the people who wrote that idiotic bill had never had a gun pointed in their face. When you have seconds and one wrong move could mean a bullet in your back or head or heart or all of the above... yeah, the welfare of your attacker isn't going to be on your mind.

[FireHazard51 | 2,043]

On 9/19/2022 at 9:22 PM, avatar! said:

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/legal-experts-explain-why-the-pretrial-fairness-act-isnt-a-purge-law-in-illinois/2942257/

If the state seeks to find that a defendant must be held in pretrial detention, then they are required to hold an immediate hearing to argue their position. Why is it bad for person to have a chance to argue against pretrial detention?  Do you not want a chance to plead your case before being locked up before you are even found guilty of crime.  You know they do this same "argument" already.  Pretty sure they do this same thing prior to a bail is set or if no bail is allowed.  

Judges can issue short continuances of up to 48 hours from the filing of that petition, but a decision will need to be reached quickly. You ask as if a judge needs days to make a determination.  They will just listen to the State's case for detention (if they want it), and then will listen to the accused and their reason to be release.  If the State can't make a case then there is NO case to keep them detained.  I mean if you have enough evidence to charge someone of a crime then how much more evidence is needed to argue they need to be detained prior to their trial.  

According to the bill, even if a defendant is found to qualify for pretrial detention, periodic hearings will be held to determine whether circumstances have remained the same.  I don't see a specific time frame and "periodic" can vary greatly from person to person.  Again I don't see how this will take days or even hours to make a call.  Maybe you haven't been around the court system but when "nothing has changed" then its a quick call.  If something has change it should be easy to point out what it is and make a call.  Maybe I'm not as pessimistic as you or have more faith in Judges not making dumb calls.  I mean, their ass is on the line if they release someone and then go on to commit a serious crime.  You think a Judges are just going to let everyone go willy-nilly with not obvious reason for them to be free?

Oh yeah, that just sounds great

With our judicial system so backlogged, and with other obvious factors such as it may be impossible for the police and/or prosecutors to get enough evidence within such a short time period, seems to me like many criminals are going to be cashing it in! I'd love to believe I'm wrong, and I hope I'm wrong, but at nah I'm pretty sure this is going to be another shitshow. Eliminating cash bails for non-violent offenses sounds very promising. HOWEVER, when you can only hold a person for 48 hours who may have committed murder, arson, kidnapping... come on! How can anyone other than a criminal be happy about this?! 

I love how you assume it's criminals cashing in.  What about people who are innocent and are never found guilt of a crime.  I mean THAT is who this whole bill is for.  Who gives a fuck about a criminal having time at home before they spend time in jail for their crime.  It's those who are never found guilt of a crime yet spend weeks or months in jail to only be found not guilt of a crime they never committed yet end up jobless and homeless because they get fired for not showing up to work (they are locked up until found not guilty), and who the hell can afford to pay rent when they aren't working for weeks or months.  MOST people don't have that kind of savings.  So yeah, I'd say it's pretty fucked up to ruin someone's life when they never committed a crime. 

 

[Tabonga | 2,317]

This is pretty strange - looks to me like a lame excuse to cover up for drunken behavior.

https://www.grandforksherald.com/news/north-dakota/police-driver-admitted-to-intentionally-killing-teen-at-north-dakota-street-dance-after-political-dispute

[Tanooki | 4,933]

Well if that is as it says, that's where we are now in this country.  Got people pissed off enough that not only can't we agree to disagree and find a middle ground like the 90s, but 25-30years on of increasingly divisive behavior and encouraging violence over not liking what someone said or does...we're at murder.  Good job politicians and social shit stirrers.  If this gets more frequent you're on the way to a civil war because when enough don't give to fucks about the life of another you don't want to hear from anymore it's open season, the purge, politics edition.

[FireHazard51 | 2,043]

8 hours ago, Tabonga said:

This is pretty strange - looks to me like a lame excuse to cover up for drunken behavior.

https://www.grandforksherald.com/news/north-dakota/police-driver-admitted-to-intentionally-killing-teen-at-north-dakota-street-dance-after-political-dispute

Dude is BEYOUND stupid.  He traded a DUI vehicular homicide for 2nd degree murder.  Max sentence went from 20 years for the vehicular homicide to life in prison for 2nd degree murder.  Dude needs to be locked up for a LONG time.  His crime is far worse than a drunk driver killing a pedestrian.  Dude straight up intended to do deadly harm.  Sounds like the guy knew him so maybe he'll get 1st degree murder as he "planned" the attack.  Either way dude is fucked up in the head.  He may not be a 'flight risk' but if he admitted to killing a teen because of their political views then what's to say he won't kill another person for political reasons again????

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9 hours ago, Tabonga said:

This is pretty strange - looks to me like a lame excuse to cover up for drunken behavior.

https://www.grandforksherald.com/news/north-dakota/police-driver-admitted-to-intentionally-killing-teen-at-north-dakota-street-dance-after-political-dispute

That sounds absolutely horrific! If that's really the case, he should be charged with 2nd or even 1st-degree murder, and NOT vehicular homicide.

If convicted on the vehicular homicide charge, Brandt would face a minimum of 10 years in prison because of a DUI on his record.

The maximum for the crime is 20 years.

Troopers say as the investigation develops, they could recommend more serious charges.

Lock him up for life! What a piece of shite...

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12 hours ago, FireHazard51 said:

 

 

Who gives a fuck about a criminal having time at home before they spend time in jail for their crime.

Did anyone tell the criminals they have to stay at home? Or do you suppose an ankle monitor will keep the community safe? Also, did you not just assume they are guilty, which defeats the whole purpose of this bill in the first place? I think this underlies a huge problem - criminals will NOT simply stay at home. They will NOT abide by firearm laws. They WILL continue to be violent criminals.

It's those who are never found guilt of a crime yet spend weeks or months in jail...

I fully agree, people who are not found guilty should not be incarcerated. Especially for non-violent crimes. People who are awaiting trial for non-violent crimes should NOT be in jail. No disagreement from me. The disagreement comes from the way this law is being implemented which will allow numerous violent criminals to continue repeating. I'd like to believe I'm wrong. However, I fear this will just spiral out of control. It seems to me this law was passed in haste without thinking about the safety of the community at large. If I'm mistaken and it turns out this is an excellent idea, hell, I'll admit I was wrong and will champion it to be taken up by other states. However, I fear this is going to be a disaster.

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Heartbreaking...

 

[Tanooki | 4,933]

That guy is disgusting.  I poked around since i last got annoyed and read up a bit.  Seems that they got into a political argument, a grown man and barely a crown boy(18.)  The big bad man child with the truck is a democrat, and the kid was a republican.  His argument was that the kid was a threat to him because he was a crazy extremist rightist who was trying to call for friends to help kick his ass.  Yeah, that seems fitting, grown ass liberal can't handle being argued with by barely a man (can't drink, smoke legally) who doesn't agree with him, so he gets in his vehicle, then turns it on the kid, chases him down, and then runs his ass over claiming self defense from some fabricated call to get goons to hurt him.

I hope he gets life.  This is where we are now, one side claims the other is extremist and causing death and misery, yet it's the other who did act like an extremist and did cause death and misery.  Hypocrite stalker murderer ...for politics.

[Tabonga | 2,317]

As I suspected this is almost certainly a made up story (the motivation, not the act) to cover up for something the butthead did while drunk.

https://news.yahoo.com/little-evidence-political-argument-teens-192109485.html

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How's bail reform working in NYC you ask?

Woman savagely beaten by homeless parolee in unprovoked attack inside Queens subway station

https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/ny-woman-beaten-homeless-queens-subway-station-20220927-mla4qiba2fgixj4l7yztjjdfba-story.html

A terrified straphanger, savagely punched and kicked by a homeless man who once beat his own grandmother to death, was still reeling days later from the unprovoked assault inside an empty Queens subway station.

When he was just 14, Foster was arrested for beating his grandmother to death inside her Brooklyn apartment, police said. He was convicted of her death, though it was unclear how long he spent in prison. But he was busted six years later for stabbing his sister in the right hand with a screwdriver in a Rockaway apartment, a criminal complaint charged. Court records show he’s done at least two other stints in prison. In 2002 he was sentenced to six years in prison for robbery and criminal mischief and he also served four years in prison for an assault conviction in 2011. Three women employees at the Creedmore Psychiatric Center sued the city in 2011 after the suspect attacked them with a knife during a bloody rampage. Foster currently has open cases in Manhattan and Queens for petty larceny, criminal possession of stolen property and criminal mischief. He’s on parole until 2024, court records show.

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On 9/25/2022 at 1:39 PM, Tabonga said:

As I suspected this is almost certainly a made up story (the motivation, not the act) to cover up for something the butthead did while drunk.

https://news.yahoo.com/little-evidence-political-argument-teens-192109485.html

Sounded like manufactured right wing outrage to me, but I was waiting until the facts came out. Looks like I was right. As soon as Ted Cruz tweets about it, its almost guaranteed to be bullshit fake news. 

[Tabonga | 2,317]

1 hour ago, MrWunderful said:

Sounded like manufactured right wing outrage to me, but I was waiting until the facts came out. Looks like I was right. As soon as Ted Cruz tweets about it, its almost guaranteed to be bullshit fake news. 

Mostly belongs next to the Jussie Smollett situation in the circular file...........except that someone (apparently) needlessly died here.

[Tabonga | 2,317]

Heh - these scofflaws got theirs....

https://www.npr.org/2022/09/30/1126078948/live-spiders-and-cockroaches-ex-ebay-executives-get-prison-time-in-harassment-pl

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4 hours ago, Tabonga said:

Heh - these scofflaws got theirs....

https://www.npr.org/2022/09/30/1126078948/live-spiders-and-cockroaches-ex-ebay-executives-get-prison-time-in-harassment-pl

eBay executives heading to jail = WIN

 

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A woman is suing Hertz after being accused of stealing a rental car she'd paid for and getting arrested 4 times over the incident

https://www.yahoo.com/news/woman-suing-hertz-being-accused-125513944.html

Damn, always heard Hertz was terrible, but sheesh...

Antwanette Hill used her status as a platinum member of the Hertz Gold Club loyalty program to book and collect a car without checking in with a staff member at Atlanta airport in October 2018, according to the lawsuit filed in July and seen by Insider. She had rented at least 20 times with Hertz before then.

As she got in the car, an employee came up to her claiming she was stealing it. Hill told him she was a platinum member and to look for her reservation, but instead he called police who then arrested her.

Hill was arrested three more times between 2019 and 2021 for failure to appear in court over the incident because she was not notified about the court dates, according to the lawsuit, and spent about nine days in jail on each occasion. Her case is still pending; Hertz has declined to dismiss the case.

Hill was pregnant at the time of the fourth arrest in May 2021 and suffered a miscarriage while in jail. She was hospitalized for three days.

Hertz is fucked so badly here, they might as well change their business to porn. They are going to be paying millions... and since they filed for bankruptcy protection in 2020, that won't save them this time!

 

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“There’s something profoundly wrong with New York,” said Mary Hassler, 66, an Astoria resident and cosmetics sales person. “The number of these attacks are growing. There seems to be more and more all the time.

Violent, unprovoked attacks have New Yorkers on edge

https://www.yahoo.com/news/violent-unprovoked-attacks-yorkers-edge-221700198.html

And in a year when the NYPD reported a nearly 12% drop in homicides, there was also a citywide 37% jump in robberies and a 43% increase in grand larceny as New Yorkers expressed their fears about the ongoing situation.

“You hear of these attacks daily,” said Lucia Constantine, 46, as she passed the spot where 61-year-old FDNY EMS Lt. Alison Russo was inexplicably killed on a September afternoon. “They have been more and more, and there’s no consequences. These people are out here with rap sheets as long as their arms.”

And, that's the issue. "Bail reform!" politicians cry because it fits into their agenda. People are tired of this, and the pendulum will swing back, and hopefully when it does it will toss away all these atrocious politicians that care little about who gets hurt.

[Tabonga | 2,317]

On 9/21/2022 at 10:56 AM, avatar! said:

 

Did anyone tell the criminals they have to stay at home? Or do you suppose an ankle monitor will keep the community safe? 

I propose using neck monitors like those used in The Running Man.

 

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1 hour ago, Tabonga said:

I propose using neck monitors like those used in The Running Man.

 

Haven't seen that in ages... it was cheesy cheesy fun

[Tabonga | 2,317]

Looks like the droogs are alive and well!  This is mondo strange.

https://nypost.com/2022/10/03/nyc-subway-attack-by-neon-green-clad-women/

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On 10/4/2022 at 9:31 AM, Tabonga said:

Looks like the droogs are alive and well!  This is mondo strange.

https://nypost.com/2022/10/03/nyc-subway-attack-by-neon-green-clad-women/

The mom suggested that the state’s lax bail reform laws, which have been blasted for creating a revolving-door justice system, jeopardize law-abiding citizens’ safety. 

She said she had a message for Gov. Kathy Hochul and state lawmakers, accusing them of “making these ridiculous laws and letting savages walk the streets with nothing but a slap on the wrist.

“Watch the videos of these two girls getting beaten by a gang of grown women, and imagine it was your daughter, granddaughter, sister, mother or friend. Put yourself in that situation,” she said.

“Animals belong behind bars,” she fumed. “Make an example of them.

“What happened to the New York City we all loved? Start fixing it now!”

She's right.