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I know we have a "politics" thread on here, but that's not the same as crime & justice, and thought it might be interesting for those of us that like to discuss such things to have our own Dostoevsky-inspired thread!

I was reading about this horrible tragedy

At least 5 killed after SUV plows into Wisconsin holiday parade

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/wisconsin-waukesha-christmas-parade-car-plow-11-22-21/index.html

The suspect in Sunday's fatal parade incident in Waukesha, Wisconsin, had been released on $1,000 bail earlier this month...obstructing an officer; second-degree recklessly endangering safety, domestic abuse assessments; disorderly conduct, domestic abuse assessments; and misdemeanor battery, domestic abuse assessments. Brooks was also charged with bail jumping, because he was already out on bail following a July 24, 2020, incident, according to court documents. In a statement, the Milwaukee County District Attorney's office now said that they should not have recommended such a low bail for Brooks and have launched an internal review into the decision...Bail had initially been set at $10,000 in that case but because Brooks had asked for a speedy jury trial, which could not be met, bail was reduced to $500. Brooks was released on bail in that case on Feb. 21, according to the district attorney’s office.

This guy had an insanely long criminal record that spanned years! Yet, was released on obscenely low bail and didn't bother showing up to court ("bail jumping")! It really is crazy, but these days it seems like anything short of murdering someone OR a high-profile case such as Madoff or Ghislaine Maxwell, consequences are minimal. That's especially true for young criminals

Waukesha teacher who filmed teenagers stealing his car says parents should pony up

https://www.jsonline.com/story/opinion/2021/11/16/waukesha-man-who-had-car-stolen-teens-says-parents-should-cover-damages/8627676002/

I've had a chance to talk with the owner of that car — Zachary Bennett — who got in touch with me about the financial and mental burden he's been under since the teenagers took his car...Bennett is out thousands of dollars, and so is his insurance company...Unfortunately, there are few consequences for most young car thieves.  Bennett wants the kids locked up or forced to attend a mandated program to change their behavior. He thinks parents should be responsible for the damage their children cause. Young people steal cars, they use those cars to commit other crimes, and they often endanger the rest of us because they are reckless and inexperienced behind the wheel.

Yup, and mostly people don't give a shite or at any rate there is no real criminal accountability until someone is killed, and that definitely happens...way way too often.

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https://www.nhregister.com/news/article/Why-CT-teen-accused-of-killing-and-raping-girl-16640864.php

SIGH, anyway, I'm going to speak with my representatives soon about such issues. What are people's thoughts? Is it the DA's fault? Should our crime laws be changed? What is the best way to protect the public, and does this include property? If a gang of teens starts stealing from a store (I'm looking at you, San Fran) should force be used to stop them?  

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8 minutes ago, arch_8ngel said:

For that middle story... Is it not typical that parents are financially responsible for damages caused by their kids?  I would have thought that was standard practice.

In most states, parents are responsible for all malicious or willful property damage done by their children. This is called civil parental liability because it's non-criminal. The parent is obligated only to financially compensate the party harmed by his or her child's actions.

https://www.cga.ct.gov/2011/rpt/2011-R-0061.htm

Of course, getting parents to pay what they owe will likely require an attorney, and of course parents can always claim they don't have the money etc etc...

 

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18 minutes ago, avatar! said:

In most states, parents are responsible for all malicious or willful property damage done by their children. This is called civil parental liability because it's non-criminal. The parent is obligated only to financially compensate the party harmed by his or her child's actions.

https://www.cga.ct.gov/2011/rpt/2011-R-0061.htm

Of course, getting parents to pay what they owe will likely require an attorney, and of course parents can always claim they don't have the money etc etc...

 

You don't get to just claim you don't have the money.

 

You have to prove it, and then your wages get garnished until the civil penalty is paid.

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5 hours ago, Tabonga said:

This is a continuing (and apparently growing) trend.  This far transcends what most people would consider shoplifting.

https://news.yahoo.com/mobs-looters-target-bay-area-120800277.ht

San Fran is really becoming a dump. Seriously, what a disaster...

LIVE: San Francisco DA Chesa Boudin to announce charges in Union Square organized retail thefts

https://abc7news.com/sf-theft-union-square-robberies-district-attorney-chesa-boudin-felony-charges/11264530/

 

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Wonder how long this will continue...?

Group of 20-30 robbers swarm Best Buy in Minnesota on Black Friday

https://www.yahoo.com/news/group-20-30-robbers-swarm-145520675.html

At least 8 men steal tools from Home Depot in California

https://www.boston25news.com/news/trending/least-8-men-steal-tools-home-depot-california/PLQ32OXHU5DULECICQILPAG3KU/

Nordstrom store ransacked by dozens of ski mask-clad looters near San Francisco, police say

https://www.boston25news.com/news/trending/nordstrom-store-ransacked-by-dozens-ski-mask-clad-looters-near-san-francisco-police-say/PDDIDKK5ANCQXGAL5UUABZWIA4/

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