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[phart010 | 1,707]

The supposed “watchlist”

[phart010 | 1,707]

Disclaimer: If 40 babies, or even 1 baby was killed or even harmed, then I totally condemn it. Actually if any innocent civilians were harmed, I totally condemn it.

But right now, bombing the hell out of Gazan civilians is being justified on the basis that Hamas killed babies. We live in a time where standards have been put in place to document crime scenes, including photographic evidence. It is the duty of any critical thinking person to corroborate the facts and not just listen to the reporting.

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/biden-pictures-terrorists-beheading-children-white-house-2023-10?amp

 

When you look into the 40 babies story, you find that:
1. A woman reporting on the ground claims 40 babies were killed and many were beheaded.
2. Hamas, while considered a terrorist group, is still in communication with reporters. They have stated they didn’t killed babies. If they are truly on a rampage trying to terrorize like the media is saying they are, why would they not own this?
3. President Biden says he saw the pictures of the babies being beheaded with his own eyes.
4. The Whitehouse puts out a statement declaring that the President actually did not see the images, he only saw Israel’s reporting on the incident 
5. Investigative reporters are looking for the evidence of the dead babies. They have asked the Israeli Defense Force. Israeli Defense Force says they have no evidence, they are not looking for evidence, and they will do no investigation out of respect for the dead.

I agree we should respect the dead. However, if you are going to use this incident as justification for bombing an entire city filled with civilians, then I’m sorry, we need to see the evidence. By the way, on the Palestinian side 11,240 civilians are dead due to bombings and the official death count of Gazan children 4,630.

There are plenty of images of dead Gazan children available online. I’m not going to post their pictures here. I have not seen an image of a beheaded Israeli child, and according to the official statement from the IDF, they have not either.

[ThePhleo | 2,185]

@phart010 The purpose of war is mass murder. It is the last resort when diplomacy doesn't work.

The word has been diluted the same way the word "Nazi" has been diluted, by overuse and exaggeration. A "Trade War" is not a war, and the "War on Drugs" and the "War on Terror" is not a war.

War is the most evil necessity of civilization.

You sacrifice your innocence, and put the blood of innocent civilians on your hands, in the hopes that your future generations can be innocent. Every combat soldier, every commander, and every war time leader is a murderer or an accomplice to murder. No holds barred.

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Furthermore,

Hamas was elected by its populace. Elections have consequences, and if you choose to have someone who says they exist solely to wipe out another nation, then you are unfortunately an accomplice as well.

Lastly, the only innocent civilians in this war are the Palestinians denouncing Hamas and still getting killed as collateral damage, and the People of Israel and tourists who were kidnapped, raped, murdered, eviscerated, and chopped up on Oct. 7.

Edited November 16, 2023 by ThePhleo

[phart010 | 1,707]

2 hours ago, ThePhleo said:

@phart010 The purpose of war is mass murder. It is the last resort when diplomacy doesn't work.

The word has been diluted the same way the word "Nazi" has been diluted, by overuse and exaggeration. A "Trade War" is not a war, and the "War on Drugs" and the "War on Terror" is not a war.

War is the most evil necessity of civilization.

You sacrifice your innocence, and put the blood of innocent civilians on your hands, in the hopes that your future generations can be innocent. Every combat soldier, every commander, and every war time leader is a murderer or an accomplice to murder. No holds barred.

--

Furthermore,

Hamas was elected by its populace. Elections have consequences, and if you choose to have someone who says they exist solely to wipe out another nation, then you are unfortunately an accomplice as well.

Lastly, the only innocent civilians in this war are the Palestinians denouncing Hamas and still getting killed as collateral damage, and the People of Israel and tourists who were kidnapped, raped, murdered, eviscerated, and chopped up on Oct. 7.

I mostly agree with what you said. Except in this instance, I don’t think war was necessary.
 

I agree Hamas has its goal as the complete elimination of Israel. I think the way Israel was created was kind of messed up, but realistically that boat has sailed a long time ago. Israel is now a firmly established nation. There’s no way to remove it without massive destruction of innocent Israelis. Undoing Israel is not an option today.

Even so, we still have to recognize where the starting point of this conflict was. Palestinians lived all over the country. Today, they live in a small section of the country. Now it seems they are going to be either pushed out of the country completely or killed.

I honestly believe that the majority of Palestinians do not want to eliminate Israel or cause any harm to the Israeli people. There is an Israeli guy on YouTube named Corey Gil-Shuster that goes around Israel and Palestine and interviews random people on the street and asks their opinions on hot topics about the conflict. He’s been doing this for years. In the beginning he was slightly pro-Israeli, but I think he’s talked to enough Palestinians that he has grown empathetic and now realizes they just want to live life in peace.

I think that Israel is sophisticated enough that they could easily target the leaders of Hamas and capture them or do away with them. Some of the most sophisticated technologies in the world are developed by Israel. Additionally Israel is the largest recipient of foreign funding from the United States every year.

The people of Palestine are Muslims, so they probably would still feel uncomfortable having Israel govern them.. With Hamas out of the picture, they could ask a coalition of Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Jordan, Egypt, Malaysia etc to form an authority in Palestine. Since these countries don’t have the bitter past with Israel like Palestinian people, their policies could be more focused on progress instead of revenge.

But instead, I think Israel found it easier to just push all of the Palestinian people out. Of course they could not just do this without blowback from the rest of the world. So they have to make it look like a response to a terror attack.

It boggles my mind that they were unable to detect or prepare for this attack especially when multiple countries warned them that it was coming in advance. 

Edited November 16, 2023 by phart010

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2 hours ago, ThePhleo said:

Hamas was elected by its populace. Elections have consequences, and if you choose to have someone who says they exist solely to wipe out another nation, then you are unfortunately an accomplice as well.

by this (terrible) logic, everyone who didn't vote for them is innocent, which is the vast majority. (50% of the population is under age) and Hamas only received 44% of the vote. (Very slim victory over Fatah's 41%).. There have been repeated calls to hold new elections since 2010 which keep getting delayed or cancelled, and polling shows Hamas would have been unseated if it had gone through.

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45 minutes ago, G-type said:

by this (terrible) logic, everyone who didn't vote for them is innocent, which is the vast majority. (50% of the population is under age) and Hamas only received 44% of the vote. (Very slim victory over Fatah's 41%).. There have been repeated calls to hold new elections since 2010 which keep getting delayed or cancelled, and polling shows Hamas would have been unseated if it had gone through.

If Hitler was elected today with the explicit call to mass murder all Jews in his campaign, would we say that Germany was innocent?

How many children women and men died during WW2 because of the ones that voted in Hitler.

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44 minutes ago, ThePhleo said:

If Hitler was elected today with the explicit call to mass murder all Jews in his campaign, would we say that Germany was innocent?

How many children women and men died during WW2 because of the ones that voted in Hitler.

This isn’t quite the same thing. Because in Nazi Germany, pretty much all of German society was called into action by force or coercion to serve the interests of the Nazis.

In Palestine, Most Palestinian people are just going to work or school and living life like regular people do. Hamas is operating underground like a group of rogue militants. It’s guerilla warfare.

Maybe many Palestinians people verbally sympathize with Hamas because they view this as a conflict between “us and them” but the reality is that they are not involved with Hamas, are not being coerced or forced to comply with any sort of terror operations, and are just trying to live their life the best they can.

The propaganda would have you think that Hamas is a sophisticated organization. For example, the Israelis recently justified taking over Shifa hospital saying that it was Hamas headquarters. They even had made videos showing a rendering of an underground base with meeting rooms, ammunition rooms, all kinds of crazy stuff.

Well they just released a video of the findings and what they had found was just a regular hospital with like two bags of ammunition, maybe 20 guns, a laptop and a stack of cd-roms. 

It is pretty clear that all of the hospitals in Gaza were either closed or destroyed not because of Hamas presence, but because they want to make life so unbearable for Palestinians that they will just leave their country.

The reason so many people died in Germany is because Nazism grew to become so intertwined with Germany society and they were actually becoming threat to the rest of the world. Hamas is hardly a threat to Israel’s existence. Netanyahu’s government is just using them as a tool to fulfill his interests. Unfortunately by the time all the info is vetted and we get all the facts and history laid out, the Palestinian people will probably already be dispersed into other countries as refugees.

Edited November 16, 2023 by phart010

[ThePhleo | 2,185]

6 hours ago, phart010 said:

This isn’t quite the same thing. Because in Nazi Germany, pretty much all of German society was called into action by force or coercion to serve the interests of the Nazis.

In Palestine, Most Palestinian people are just going to work or school and living life like regular people do. Hamas is operating underground like a group of rogue militants. It’s guerilla warfare.

Maybe many Palestinians people verbally sympathize with Hamas because they view this as a conflict between “us and them” but the reality is that they are not involved with Hamas, are not being coerced or forced to comply with any sort of terror operations, and are just trying to live their life the best they can.

The propaganda would have you think that Hamas is a sophisticated organization. For example, the Israelis recently justified taking over Shifa hospital saying that it was Hamas headquarters. They even had made videos showing a rendering of an underground base with meeting rooms, ammunition rooms, all kinds of crazy stuff.

Well they just released a video of the findings and what they had found was just a regular hospital with like two bags of ammunition, maybe 20 guns, a laptop and a stack of cd-roms. 

It is pretty clear that all of the hospitals in Gaza were either closed or destroyed not because of Hamas presence, but because they want to make life so unbearable for Palestinians that they will just leave their country.

The reason so many people died in Germany is because Nazism grew to become so intertwined with Germany society and they were actually becoming threat to the rest of the world. Hamas is hardly a threat to Israel’s existence. Netanyahu’s government is just using them as a tool to fulfill his interests. Unfortunately by the time all the info is vetted and we get all the facts and history laid out, the Palestinian people will probably already be dispersed into other countries as refugees.

https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/middle-east/palestinian-territories/1700158968-survey-finds-majority-in-the-west-bank-justify-the-oct-7-massacre

68% of West Bank STRONGLY supports the October 7 massacre.

And additional 16% supports it to some extent.

...their goal is QUITE LITERALLY the extermination of all Jews, and destruction of Israel, and making a comparison to Nazi Germany is somehow disingenuous.

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How about this then. We just delete the 68% of people who strongly support October 7. That seems like a fair compromise.

Edited November 17, 2023 by ThePhleo

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27 minutes ago, ThePhleo said:

https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/middle-east/palestinian-territories/1700158968-survey-finds-majority-in-the-west-bank-justify-the-oct-7-massacre

68% of West Bank STRONGLY supports the October 7 massacre.

And additional 16% supports it to some extent.

...their goal is QUITE LITERALLY the extermination of all Jews, and destruction of Israel, and making a comparison to Nazi Germany is somehow disingenuous.

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Sorry buddy. Again your Israeli sources have deceived you. 

Here is the actual survey they were referencing.

https://www.awrad.org/files/server/polls/polls2023/Public Opinion Poll - Gaza War 2023.pdf

i24news has deliberately lied about what it says in the survey. The survey says 68% of respondents report their support for a 2 state solution has declined. The liars have instead reported that it says 68% STRONGLY supported the massacres and kidnappings.

Please check your sources before spreading misinformation 

 

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You see how dangerous misinformation can be. Because of this false reporting, you think it’s ok to wipe out 68% of Palestinians. 

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19 minutes ago, phart010 said:

Sorry buddy. Again your Israeli sources have deceived you. 

Here is the actual survey they were referencing.

https://www.awrad.org/files/server/polls/polls2023/Public Opinion Poll - Gaza War 2023.pdf

i24news has deliberately lied about what it says in the survey. The survey says 68% of respondents report their support for a 2 state solution has declined. The liars have instead reported that it says 68% STRONGLY supported the massacres and kidnappings.

Please check your sources before spreading misinformation

 

14 minutes ago, phart010 said:

You see how dangerous misinformation can be. Because of this false reporting, you think it’s ok to wipe out 68% of Palestinians. 

 

I support the immediate elimination of any emancipated person who supported what happened on October 7 with haste, the same way I support the immediate elimination of anyone who supports the Nazi gas chambers, or Crusades, or Rape of Nanking, or any other mass act against humanity that happened in history.

I am a Romani (aka gypsy) and I am fortunate that in recent decades my people have managed to blend in, but the Jews are our comrades in misery and I support them, knowing that if they fall, I am next.

But yes, the reports do seem false, so ok I'll give you that. edit: also, if I were a decision making person in this war I wouldn't trust the news, I can only gauge so much as a powerless bystander in this war and voice my opinions that war is bad, no side is good, but the side that wants total elimination of the other is probably the bad one.

 

And again, if Hamas wants to end the war, they can release the hostages and stop bombing, and if Israel truly wanted to end Palestine it would take less than a day.

Edited November 17, 2023 by ThePhleo

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6 minutes ago, ThePhleo said:

 

 

I support the immediate elimination of any emancipated person who supported what happened on October 7 with haste, the same way I support the immediate elimination of anyone who supports the Nazi gas chambers, or Crusades, or Rape of Nanking, or any other mass act against humanity that happened in history.

I am a Romani (aka gypsy) and I am fortunate that in recent decades my people have managed to blend in, but the Jews are our comrades in misery and I support them, knowing that if they fall, I am next.

But yes, the reports do seem false, so ok I'll give you that.

 

And again, if Hamas wants to end the war, they can release the hostages and stop bombing, and if Israel truly wanted to end Palestine it would take less than a day.

Do you not see that what is happening to the Palestinian people right now is a mass act against humanity? People are being killed indiscriminately.

Just for reference, Ukraine has lost 30k combat fighters in like 20 months. These were people fighting the front lines expecting to die. Palestine has lost more than half of that in one month and half of them are children.

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Just now, phart010 said:

Do you not see that what is happening to the Palestinian people right now is a mass act against humanity? People are being killed indiscriminately.

Just for reference, Ukraine has lost 30k combat fighters in like 20 months. These were people fighting the front lines expecting to die. Palestine has lost more than half of that in one month and half of them are children.

Yep, I see it and it's a travesty and very hurtful seeing photos of dead babies on the internet.

There is no justifying it, yet one side has to push until diplomacy loops back around and becomes an option again, or until the other side just doesn't exist...like every. single. war. ever since the past 12,000 years of human civilization.

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16 hours ago, phart010 said:

Do you not see that what is happening to the Palestinian people right now is a mass act against humanity? People are being killed indiscriminately.

Just for reference, Ukraine has lost 30k combat fighters in like 20 months. These were people fighting the front lines expecting to die. Palestine has lost more than half of that in one month and half of them are children.

You ignore facts and realities --

I'm curious, do you believe the Holocaust happened? I ask because you are in complete denial that Hamas has murdered some 1200 innocent men, women, children, and babies in Israel despite everyone (including Hamas) agreeing this is exactly what happened.

I'm not surprised your misinformation also applies to what is happening in Ukraine.

Nearly 10,000 documented Ukrainian civilians have been killed by Russian forces. Some 20,000 civilians have been documented to be inured, many grievously. These are not military personal. These are civilians attacked by Russian forces without any provocation. Just like Israelis were attacked without any provocation.

OHCHR specified that the real numbers [of Ukrainian civilians killed and wounded] could be higher.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1293492/ukraine-war-casualties/

 

Edited November 17, 2023 by avatar!

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9 minutes ago, avatar! said:

You ignore facts and realities and try to spin what is at best misrepresentation, but quite honestly I view them as nothing more than lies whether willful ignorance or on purpose, at the end it really doesn't matter that much.

I'm curious, do you believe the Holocaust happened? I ask because you are in complete denial that Hamas has murdered some 1200 innocent men, women, children, and babies in Israel despite everyone (including Hamas) agreeing this is exactly what happened.

I'm not surprised your misinformation also applies to what is happening in Ukraine.

Nearly 10,000 documented Ukrainian civilians have been killed by Russian forces. Some 20,000 civilians have been documented to be inured, many grievously. These are not military personal. These are civilians attacked by Russian forces without any provocation. Just like Israelis were attacked without any provocation.

OHCHR specified that the real numbers [of Ukrainian civilians killed and wounded] could be higher.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1293492/ukraine-war-casualties/

 

If those numbers from Statista are accurate, then I made an honest mistake. I was not intentionally misleading anyone, Google actually says that the number was 30,000 Ukrainian soldiers. One thing you need to know is that when wars happen, there will be dozens of independent organizations counting deaths and they will all come up with different numbers. For example in the Iraq war, some estimates of Iraqi death count were as low as 250k and some were as high as 2 million. Most people agree the number may have been around 1 million 

 

 

Edited November 17, 2023 by phart010

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6 minutes ago, phart010 said:

If those numbers from Statista are accurate, then I made an honest mistake. I was not intentionally misleading anyone, Google actually says that the number was 30,000 Ukrainian soldiers. One thing you need to know is that when wars happen, there will be dozens of independent organizations counting deaths and they will all come up with different numbers. For example in the Iraq war, some estimates of Iraqi death count were as low as 250k and some were as high as 2 million. Most people agree the number may have been around 1 million 

 

 

Do you believe the Holocaust happened?

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10 minutes ago, avatar! said:

You ignore facts and realities and try to spin what is at best misrepresentation, but quite honestly I view them as nothing more than lies whether willful ignorance or on purpose, at the end it really doesn't matter that much.

I'm curious, do you believe the Holocaust happened? I ask because you are in complete denial that Hamas has murdered some 1200 innocent men, women, children, and babies in Israel despite everyone (including Hamas) agreeing this is exactly what happened.

I'm not surprised your misinformation also applies to what is happening in Ukraine.

Nearly 10,000 documented Ukrainian civilians have been killed by Russian forces. Some 20,000 civilians have been documented to be inured, many grievously. These are not military personal. These are civilians attacked by Russian forces without any provocation. Just like Israelis were attacked without any provocation.

OHCHR specified that the real numbers [of Ukrainian civilians killed and wounded] could be higher.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1293492/ukraine-war-casualties/

 

Yes of course the Holocaust happened. Unfortunately it’s happening a second time now in Gaza.

You are too emotionally invested in this conflict to think through it rationally. I gave you the sources for every claim I have made. 

I respect @ThePhleo for acknowledging the false reporting of i24news even though we don’t agree with many other things.

Can you not look at the survey and tell me that the i24news deliberately lied about what it says. I gave you the link. Here I’ll make it easy:

 

 

 

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49 minutes ago, phart010 said:

You are too emotionally invested in this conflict to think through it rationally. I gave you the sources for every claim I have made.

This is what you said on Sunday:

The problem with this conflict is that Israel owns like 90% of the reporting on it. It’s pretty obvious that an ethnic cleansing is taking place. Is it a religious war? Only in the sense that the evangelical Christians that control US Middle East policy want Israel to dominate the region because they think it will speed up the second coming of Jesus.

You're using the old antisemitic trope of Jews controlling the media --

https://www.ajc.org/translatehate/control

False reports that claim Jews control the media, banks, and governments are part of a longstanding conspiracy of secret Jewish power. This antisemitic trope is rooted in the discredited publication, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, which was published in Russian tsarist times and accused Jews of trying to control the world.

Then you ignore the fact that Muslims have discriminated against Jews and other non-Muslims for centuries --

They just give their taxes a religious spin and the other people are paying it for secular reasons since they don’t believe in the same religion.

Again, you justify discrimination against Jews and other non-Muslims and just dismiss. I responded to you with facts from experts, but of course you never reply because you can't justify your statements, so you ignore them.

Second point is that you mentioned Jewish people criticized the Muslim religion they would be punished. Maybe so...

No, not "maybe so" they would often be executed! This is happening right now, today --

Iran's Unjust Executions for "Insulting the Prophet"

https://iranwire.com/en/features/116551-irans-unjust-executions-for-insulting-the-prophet/

Death penalty on charges of insulting Prophet Muhammad and Islamic sanctities is one of the hudud punishments that are mandatory under Islamic jurisprudence, and the legislators of the Islamic Republic consider them divine orders that cannot be disputed.

If Hamas harmed innocent people then I condemn that.

There is no "if" -- even people that believe Israel is in the wrong with their response do not deny that Hamas murdered and butchered over 1200 innocent men, women, children, and babies. The fact that you ignore facts, speaks volumes about your misrepresentation of what really is happening. Why do you still refuse to accept that Hamas started the war and butchered over 1200 innocents?

Edited November 17, 2023 by avatar!

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On 11/16/2023 at 3:23 PM, ThePhleo said:

If Hitler was elected today with the explicit call to mass murder all Jews in his campaign, would we say that Germany was innocent?

How many children women and men died during WW2 because of the ones that voted in Hitler.

You know that was not a truly free, fair, "for realises" election right?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_1933_German_federal_election

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anschluss#Plebiscite

[phart010 | 1,707]

12 minutes ago, avatar! said:

This is what you said on Sunday:

The problem with this conflict is that Israel owns like 90% of the reporting on it. It’s pretty obvious that an ethnic cleansing is taking place. Is it a religious war? Only in the sense that the evangelical Christians that control US Middle East policy want Israel to dominate the region because they think it will speed up the second coming of Jesus.

You're using the old antisemitic trope of Jews controlling the media --

https://www.ajc.org/translatehate/control

False reports that claim Jews control the media, banks, and governments are part of a longstanding conspiracy of secret Jewish power. This antisemitic trope is rooted in the discredited publication, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, which was published in Russian tsarist times and accused Jews of trying to control the world.

Then you ignore the fact that Muslims have discriminated against Jews and other non-Muslims for centuries --

They just give their taxes a religious spin and the other people are paying it for secular reasons since they don’t believe in the same religion.

Again, you justify discrimination against Jews and other non-Muslims and just dismiss. I responded to you with facts from experts, but of course you never reply because you can't justify your statements, so you ignore them.

Second point is that you mentioned Jewish people criticized the Muslim religion they would be punished. Maybe so...

No, not "maybe so" they would often be executed! This is happening right now, today --

Iran's Unjust Executions for "Insulting the Prophet"

https://iranwire.com/en/features/116551-irans-unjust-executions-for-insulting-the-prophet/

Death penalty on charges of insulting Prophet Muhammad and Islamic sanctities is one of the hudud punishments that are mandatory under Islamic jurisprudence, and the legislators of the Islamic Republic consider them divine orders that cannot be disputed.

If Hamas harmed innocent people then I condemn that.

There is no "if" -- even people that believe Israel is in the wrong with their response do not deny that Hamas murdered and butchered over 1200 innocent men, women, children, and babies. The fact that you ignore facts, speaks volumes about your misrepresentation of what really is happening. Why do you still refuse to accept that Hamas started the war and butchered over 1200 innocents?

No - I get what you maybe thought I was saying about the antisemitic trope about Jews controlling the media. That’s not what I was saying at all. What I was saying is that the Israeli authorities are controlling all of the reporting on the ground in Gaza. All you need to do is watch the news to see complaints from news organizations about how Israel is not allowing press organizations do their job in Gaza. They are not allowed to collect the facts on the ground, instead they are being given “the facts” by the Israelis. This is not the standard. In past wars, press was allowed at their own risk to enter the danger zone to report.

I am not ignoring anything you say. It’s just that you are making so many different things and it’s actually not always super coherent, so sometimes I may miss one of your points. I’m pretty well versed on this topic, so I’m not afraid to back up anything that I’ve said. I’m also not afraid to admit when I am wrong or make a mistake.. by the way did you acknowledge that i24news lied yet?

We’ve already looked at a bunch of this historical stuff about Muslims and Jews. If you read my sources and watched my videos, you would at least know where I am coming from. You don’t have to agree, but you would at least know that I’m not just making shit up. By the way, many of my sources were Jewish sources. You should go back and look at them, because they have address the things you are disputing.

I am not refusing to acknowledge that Hamas killed a whole lot of people. What I am questioning is the accuracy of the claims, because Israel has been on a lying rampage the entire duration of this conflict. So I want people to verify the things they are claiming before agreeing to the leveling an entire city full of innocent civilians.

I think that you think that anyone that does not 100% agree with everything that Israel does is an anti-Semite. That actually hurts your cause. Because you are diluting the meaning of the word anti-Semite. Just like if you call someone a Nazi just because they got mad at you over something trivial, the word Nazi stops meaning such a bad thing.

It is ok to respectfully disagree with someone. I hope you don’t think that I was angry while writing this, because I’m not. I am hoping you will actually think about it instead of snapping back.

 

 

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By the way, France24 just confirmed this video of a “Palestinian nurse in Shifa hospital” is fake.
 

Not before doing its job though. Shifa hospital is now evacuated and shut down

 

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1 hour ago, phart010 said:

I am not refusing to acknowledge that Hamas killed a whole lot of people. What I am questioning is the accuracy of the claims, because Israel has been on a lying rampage the entire duration of this conflict. So I want people to verify the things they are claiming before agreeing to the leveling an entire city full of innocent civilians.

Yes, you are refuting. You have already taken sides, you refuse to acknowledge what is has been independently verified by nearly every country on the planet. No one in the free press world denies what they have seen with their own eyes --

 

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2 minutes ago, avatar! said:

Yes, you are refuting. You have already taken sides, you refuse to acknowledge what is has been independently verified by nearly every country on the planet. No one in the free press world denies what they have seen with their own eyes --

 

I will reply to you after you acknowledge that i24news lied about what it says in the survey.

 

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Israel is not Judaism.

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Occupied people fighting back are not aggressors.