jonebone | 1,307 Posted March 22, 2020 Author Share Posted March 22, 2020 Well, we can have a vaccine well ahead of 12 montha, it just wont be approved for public release. It's the testing that is the long pole in the process. Teams can whip up drugs pretty quickly. But they have to make sure they work as intended, dont have side effects and generalize the test results to make sure they work across a wide spectrum of people. It does seem that some other drugs have have been useful in treating it, so maybe one of those can bridge the gap. I'm also very skeptical that 40 to 70% will get it. I expect cases to peak in a month or two, then slow down a lot over the summer and break out again in fall when schools try to resume. Time will tell. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Link | 2,709 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 Let’s add “available to the public” into that vaccine ETA, which was implied in my read of it. As for 40-70%, keep in mind the range of severity. i.e. the majority of children will not present symptoms (but are still vectors). ”Of those infected, 80% will become mildly ill, 14% hospital-ill, 6-8% critically ill.” “Estimations are 40-70% of Americans will get the virus. 45% = 150M ppl 5-10% will require hospitalization, which is 7.5M ppl There are less than 150,00 ventilators in the US. That means 1 in 50 hospitalized will get a ventilator.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skorp | 383 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 ...and there are people still not washing their hands after using the bathroom. I am done with public/store bathrooms for good now after witnessing that yesterday. x.x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estil | 1,264 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 So not only do we now have a Senator with the virus, it happens to be one of ours (Rand Paul). I guess no one is safe from it! I just hope kitties can't get it... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Link | 2,709 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 17 minutes ago, Estil said: So not only do we now have a Senator with the virus, it happens to be one of ours (Rand Paul). I guess no one is safe from it! Hmm... isn’t he the guy that, oh yes... https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/rand-paul-had-good-reason-to-vote-against-emergency-coronavirus-funding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estil | 1,264 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, Link said: Hmm... isn’t he the guy that, oh yes... https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/rand-paul-had-good-reason-to-vote-against-emergency-coronavirus-funding He wasn't the first one in that kind of position... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeannette_Rankin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulpa | 3,492 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 The universe loves delicious irony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Californication | 1,477 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 (edited) That's pretty funny. That guys a dick. He talks a big game, but he voted for the trillion whatever dollar tax cut and when the 9/11 responders went in there for their healthcare renewal thing he tried to get stuff added to the bill before he would sign. Edited March 22, 2020 by Californication Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m308gunner | 352 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 34 minutes ago, Estil said: So not only do we now have a Senator with the virus, it happens to be one of ours (Rand Paul). I guess no one is safe from it! I just hope kitties can't get it... Hmm. He voted in line with his principles by looking down the road beyond the immediate concern. Still... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m308gunner | 352 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 And aren't most of you opposed to heaping more debt on future generations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulpa | 3,492 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 Just now, m308gunner said: And aren't most of you opposed to heaping more debt on future generations? The debt's going to be incurred one way or another. Either we add to the deficit or watch the economy take the mother of all shits with a 20% unemployment rate that'll haunt us for decades. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Californication | 1,477 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, m308gunner said: And aren't most of you opposed to heaping more debt on future generations? He's a fraud. He voted to add a trillion dollars to the deficit so rich people could get a tax break. Edit: And furthermore, he isn't challenging the real problems the bill has: he stalled it over some stupid and slightly racist points. Edited March 22, 2020 by Californication 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m308gunner | 352 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 1 minute ago, Tulpa said: The debt's going to be incurred one way or another. Either we add to the deficit or watch the economy take the mother of all shits with a 20% unemployment rate that'll haunt us for decades. . With a system as complex as the economy and the situation at hand, a binary choice like the one presented is not an accurate reflection of reality and would only appeal to partisans, whom are the very ones intent on attacking him. He doesn't oppose the funding. He just wants to pay for it more responsibly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m308gunner | 352 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Californication said: He's a fraud. He voted to add a trillion dollars to the deficit so rich people could get a tax break. Fraud's don't usually enjoy attracting so much attention and put such large targets on their backs so consistently. Edited March 22, 2020 by m308gunner 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulpa | 3,492 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, m308gunner said: With a system as complex as the economy and the situation at hand, a binary choice like the one presented is not an accurate reflection of reality and would only appeal to partisans, whom are the very ones intent on attacking him. He doesn't oppose the funding. He just wants to pay for it more responsibly. Yeah, well, 99 of his brethren disagreed. The amount to the deficit is a drop in the bucket. As Californicated said, if he was truly against adding to the deficit, he would have voted against that useless tax bill that added way more to the deficit that the fat cats pocketed rather than trickling it back to the people. At least this will get into the hands of people who will spend it, keeping the economy going. The reality is we're in for a rough fucking time, and libertarian ideals are not going to work. The government has to step in some time. It's that time. Edited March 22, 2020 by Tulpa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m308gunner | 352 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 20 minutes ago, Tulpa said: Yeah, well, 99 of his brethren disagreed. The amount to the deficit is a drop in the bucket. As Californicated said, if he was truly against adding to the deficit, he would have voted against that useless tax bill that added way more to the deficit that the fat cats pocketed rather than trickling it back to the people. At least this will get into the hands of people who will spend it, keeping the economy going. The reality is we're in for a rough fucking time, and libertarian ideals are not going to work. The government has to step in some time. It's that time. That just proves even more that he's not treating politics like a team sport, which everyone who isn't a partisan hack should applaud. It took me 5 minutes to read a few snippets of his original op-ed and know that, again, the choice he made was not as binary as indicated above. There were parts of it he didn't like and parts he did (like many/most bills I would imagine). Rand isn't opposed to governmental involvement in the current crisis. He just wants to exercise the part he has to play in it with more nuance and, apparently, less panic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kguillemette | 1,544 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 (edited) Take it to the politics thread, please. I am seeing lots of interesting memorabilia up for sale on Facebook lately. Hard times. These are things that people probably thought they would never have to sell. Authentic Fenway Seats Wow. Edited March 23, 2020 by Kguillemette Fixed link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Link | 2,709 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Stay home. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/surgeon-general-has-coronavirus-warning-week-it-s-going-get-n1166421 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonebone | 1,307 Posted March 23, 2020 Author Share Posted March 23, 2020 58 minutes ago, Link said: Stay home. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/surgeon-general-has-coronavirus-warning-week-it-s-going-get-n1166421 We're barely even started of course it's going to get back. We're still several weeks out from maximum infection rates IMO. Most people don't even know a first hand confirmed case (family member, colleague, etc.). We'll get to the point where everyone knows multiples I suspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Link | 2,709 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Right, so let’s minimize the number of cases while we can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BriGuy82 | 768 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 This week is gonna be fucked. NJ cases are about to explode. Stay safe my peoples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Link | 2,709 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 6 hours ago, jonebone said: Most people don't even know a first hand confirmed case (family member, colleague, etc.). Does it have to get to that point before you will take this seriously? I find your skepticism concerning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estil | 1,264 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 6 hours ago, jonebone said: We're barely even started of course it's going to get back. We're still several weeks out from maximum infection rates IMO. Most people don't even know a first hand confirmed case (family member, colleague, etc.). We'll get to the point where everyone knows multiples I suspect. It's the uncertainly of how this will all play out for sure. As for most people don't even know a first hand confirmed case...let's do everything we can to keep it that way. Same goes with all this going on about this idea of possible martial law...again, let us do all we can to make sure it never has to come to that. We already had one President suspend habeas corpus we don't need to add another... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonebone | 1,307 Posted March 23, 2020 Author Share Posted March 23, 2020 22 minutes ago, Link said: Does it have to get to that point before you will take this seriously? I find your skepticism concerning. What the hell are you talking about? Re read the thread and look who started it. I've taken it seriously from day 1, though I'm not doomsday prepper mentality. My comment is to someone saying "this week is going to get bad" is they havent seen nothing yet. Every passing week is going to get MUCH worse until it gets better. I left the house once in 9 days to hit a grocery store at 6AM and that's been it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloves | 11,776 Administrator · Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 18 minutes ago, Estil said: It's the uncertainly of how this will all play out for sure. As for most people don't even know a first hand confirmed case...let's do everything we can to keep it that way. Same goes with all this going on about this idea of possible martial law...again, let us do all we can to make sure it never has to come to that. We already had one President suspend habeas corpus we don't need to add another... Happily the government here thus far has made it clear that they are quite pro individual rights and freedoms. They don't want to have to take away anything if they don't have to, but they've not taken anything off the table. For now they are simply heavily urging us to stay indoors. That's at the federal levels. At the provincial level, some places (Saskatchewan as of today) HAVE gone into pretty emergency protocols. The address from the PM this morning implied that they'll do everything they can to support the Canadian people and businesses (especially small business). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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