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1 hour ago, avatar! said:

It wasn't defunding per se but the pressure put on police resulted in many officers feeling alienated, unwanted, even hostility by the community. Thus many police officers quit/retired after seeing little support from politicians. Others continued with their jobs but had much less street presence and this all snowballed into one of the deadliest years in USA history. 

The police don't prevent large amounts of murders from happening - that's not a thing. 

 

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6 hours ago, Californication said:

The police don't prevent large amounts of murders from happening - that's not a thing. 

 

That's the type of mentality people had decades ago. In fact, circa 1940s and earlier
https://daily.jstor.org/do-police-deter-crime/
 

While there is an unending debate exactly why crimes spike, the best way to handle them, etc. evidence from the past few decades clearly shows a correlation between more police and less crime. Hence yes, police "prevent" murders from happening. It's really not a stretch of the imagination to guess how violent life would be without police presence.

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1 hour ago, avatar! said:

That's the type of mentality people had decades ago. In fact, circa 1940s and earlier
https://daily.jstor.org/do-police-deter-crime/
 

While there is an unending debate exactly why crimes spike, the best way to handle them, etc. evidence from the past few decades clearly shows a correlation between more police and less crime. Hence yes, police "prevent" murders from happening. It's really not a stretch of the imagination to guess how violent life would be without police presence

 

7 minutes ago, Silent Hill said:

While police don't necessarily stop murders mid-process (in some cases they do though), additional police presence definitely has an impact on crime. 

Less police and more people having no respect for them will never provide a positive outcome

That's a whole different debate. Having an impact on crime isn't the same as preventing murders on a scale to change the annual statistics.

Police don't stop prevent or stop impending murders on a material scale. 

Yes, obviously it happens from time to time. The fbi are more likely to do what you are suggesting, but even then it ls not on the scale he is suggesting.

That's a fanciful idea.

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No bacon in California? Restaurants, grocers try to make sense of new pork-products law

https://www.yahoo.com/news/no-bacon-california-restaurants-grocers-185634434.html

Read the title and immediately knew it had to be California 🙂

Truth be told, I am all in favor of anything that supports animal welfare. That said, this is also not a surprise at all:

Grocers, retailers, restaurants and family processors are all scratching their heads, wondering how they will sell Prop. 12 compliant pork this year. The problem is the state still has not finalized the rules and regulations all industry stakeholders need to come into compliance and to demonstrate that all pork they buy or sell was raised under the new requirements. With 98% of pork coming from out of state, the state’s pork suppliers have no way of proving on their own that pork was raised in compliance with Prop. 12.

The bottom line is that the state does not have regulations in place, to say nothing of the complex system of certifying the operations of farms and pork distributors nationwide that the draft regulations contemplate. That places the pork suppliers in an untenable position, and consumers will, unfortunately, pay the price of this uncertainty at a time when they’re already struggling.

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Its gonna get extended for the framework to be developed. Covid fucked up the  time frame. I voted for this BTW. Give me an excuse to transition away from pork products and meat in general if it gets too rare or inexpensive. 
 

Big Meat (lol) Is selling this like it’s gonna hurt small farms etc., but the majority of small farms at least im familiar with treats their animals well anyways, and they stand to make a killing if the corporate slaughterhouses cant undercut the price/lb anymore. My aunt has a small pig/cowfarm and they fully support it. 

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Ashli Babbitt a martyr? Her past tells a more complex story

https://apnews.com/article/ashli-babbitt-capitol-siege-a15c7e52a04d932972b7a284c7a8f7df

The first time Celeste Norris laid eyes on Ashli Babbitt, the future insurrectionist had just rammed her vehicle three times with an SUV and was pounding on the window, challenging her to a fight...Her [Babbitt] Twitter account, which was taken down after her death, was rife with references to the QAnon conspiracy theory, which centers on the baseless belief that Trump has secretly battled deep-state enemies and a cabal of Satan-worshiping cannibals that includes prominent Democrats who operate a child sex trafficking ring.

The woman was unhinged, crazy, violent, and frankly a violent end for her is not a big shock.

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Where’s Liz Cheney? The Wyoming Republican’s Exile From Wyoming Republicans

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/09/us/politics/liz-cheney-wyoming-republicans.html

Cheney hasn’t appeared at a state Republican Party function in more than two years and hasn’t been to an in-person event for any of the party’s 23 county chapters since 2020. Her vote to impeach Trump last January and her decision to take part in the House investigation of the attack on the Capitol on Jan. 6 have forced her into a kind of exile from Wyoming’s Republican Party apparatus, in a state where Trump won 70% of the vote in 2020, the highest percentage in the country.

“She speaks about her conscience, but you weren’t elected to do what you think is right, you were elected to do what the people want you do to,” said Sam Eliopoulos, a Cheyenne businessman and Republican who is running for a seat in the State House. “She didn’t do what the people want her to do. At the end of the day, that’s it.”

I find this whole attitude of "do what you're told, not what you think is right" to be bullshite. Especially when what you're told to do is against our democracy and rule of law. Good for Cheney for having the guts and character to actually make the right decisions here!

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@MrWunderful called it - although most of the money is Canadian in origin 🙂

Hackers Just Leaked the Names of 92,000 ‘Freedom Convoy’ Donors

https://www.vice.com/en/article/k7wpax/freedom-convoy-givesendgo-donors-leaked

While some of the donors did not provide their names—such as the person behind the current top donation of $215,000—the vast majority did provide them, including American software billionaire Thomas Siebel, who donated $90,000 to the “freedom convoy.”

Analysis of the leaked data by extremism researcher Amarnath Amarasingam shows that while the majority of donors come from the U.S. (56%) and Canada (29%), there are also thousands of donations from overseas, including the U.K., Australia, and Ireland.

Despite over 15,000 more donations flooding in from the U.S., Canadian donors out-raised Americans by almost $1 million, bringing in $4.3 million compared to $3.6 million, Amarasingam reported.

 

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5 hours ago, Tulpa said:

Uh-oh!

https://apnews.com/article/business-new-york-manhattan-donald-trump-subpoenas-0aa45e4644b13f7a3ef76d9c00491298

Trump must testify in New York investigation, judge rules

Dude can't keep straight which lies he tells, and now he has to testify under oath.

He is a genius at exploiting loopholes, but will absolutely make a fool of himself having to answer things truthfully.
 

Dude lies and embellishes so much he probably forgot how to tell the truth.   

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On 2/17/2022 at 8:39 PM, MrWunderful said:

He is a genius at exploiting loopholes, but will absolutely make a fool of himself having to answer things truthfully.
 

Dude lies and embellishes so much he probably forgot how to tell the truth.   

Smart money is he will weasel his way out of ever being under oath.

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It's time to admit it: Mitt Romney was right about Russia

https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/22/politics/mitt-romney-russia-ukraine/index.html

"Russia, this is, without question, our number one geopolitical foe," Romney, who would be the Republican presidential nominee in the 2012 race against President Barack Obama, told Wolf Blitzer in March of that year. "They — they fight every cause for the world's worst actors." ...Obama went directly after Romney for that remark. "When you were asked, 'What's the biggest geopolitical threat facing America,' you said 'Russia.' Not al Qaeda; you said Russia," Obama said. "And, the 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back, because the Cold War's been over for 20 years."
 
I think China is actually not just the United States, but the West's #1 geopolitical foe. Russia is a close second, and Putin is a petty dictator. Bet Ukraine is sorry they gave up all their nuclear weapons...
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Kareem Abdul-Jabbar says Will Smith 'perpetuated stereotypes about the Black community' by slapping Chris Rock at Oscars

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/kareem-abdul-jabbar-will-smith-perpetuated-stereotypes-black-community-slapping-chris-rock-oscars-145518033.html

“With a single petulant blow, he advocated violence, diminished women, insulted the entertainment industry, and perpetuated stereotypes about the Black community,” Abdul-Jabbar writes of Smith

“Young boys — especially Black boys — watching their movie idol not just hit another man over a joke, but then justify it as him being a superhero-like protector, are now much more prone to follow in his childish footsteps,” he explained, adding, “One of the main talking points from those supporting the systemic racism in America is characterizing Blacks as more prone to violence and less able to control their emotions. Smith just gave comfort to the enemy by providing them with the perfect optics they were dreaming of.”

Agreed.

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11 minutes ago, avatar! said:

I read that article twice and it looks like it’s still just speculation. I dont believe it was real, personally sorry. 
 

look at all the media coverage it’s attracting, it obviously worked like a charm. All the meantime these stupid pointless award shows are losing viewers every year. Quite the coincidence. 

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1 hour ago, MrWunderful said:

I read that article twice and it looks like it’s still just speculation. I dont believe it was real, personally sorry. 
 

look at all the media coverage it’s attracting, it obviously worked like a charm. All the meantime these stupid pointless award shows are losing viewers every year. Quite the coincidence. 

Seems real, because he is facing a ton of backlash. If it turned out to be fake, I think Smith would face far harsher consequences. Also, you're not permitted to swear in the award ceremony, and Smith most certainly did. I think he's just entitled, and feels he can go on stage and just do as he wants because he's a so-called "A-lister" or whatever...

Yeah, I did not watch this award ceremony, which I agree with you is for the most part pointless.

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