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[Tabonga | 2,324]

@Lincoln

The whole Maxine Waters suggestion was just a very tongue in cheek joke.  ^___^

Edited April 22, 2020 by Tabonga

[Tabonga | 2,324]

1 hour ago, Tulpa said:

Pence has the personality of cement. I can't see him making mincemeat of anyone in a debate.

You overestimate Maxine's abilities - with the possible exception of Hank Johnson, I can't see her besting (or  even keeping even with) anyone in a fair (and well moderated) debate.

Just for the record Guam is about 10 times the size of Manhattan in area.

I think the naval office should be commended for not doing the old ROTFLMAO routine.

 

Edited April 22, 2020 by Tabonga

[Tabonga | 2,324]

56 minutes ago, The Strangest said:

Will Pence’s mother wife let him debate Biden’s VP if it’s a woman?

I think that prohibition only applies to meeting women with no one else present. If things keep up the two might not even be in the same room together anyway.  ^___^

Come to think about it I am not sure I would want to be alone with Maxine anywhere....................

[Estil | 1,265]

3 hours ago, Tabonga said:

1.  She is a woman - which Biden has committed to.

2. She is black - something which many in the donkey herd seem to desperately want.

3. She actually has some political experience -  unlike one of the people Biden has said he wants.

4. She is one of the few contenders who is demonstrably dumber than the Delaware Doofus - thereby heading off palace coup attempts.

5. It would really be fun to see Pence make mincemeat out her in a VP debate or two.

Remember though, the first two only count if they are fellow liberals and pro-abortion types.  But above all else, she must approach this like she's running for President, and not just for the office that one guy said way back wasn't "worth a bucket of warm *ahem*".  Because you and I and most everyone else knows, there is virtually no chance Biden will even come close to holding out for the entire term...or even the first several months or so.

Honestly, to placate the Bernie folks and get their much needed votes, just make Bernie the VP...he'll end up being President for well over half of Biden's term anyway!  Sure he's a card carrying member of the Socialist Party, but at least he's not literally losing his mind and can keep his hands to himself!  

[Tabonga | 2,324]

1 minute ago, Estil said:

 

Honestly, to placate the Bernie folks and get their much needed votes, just make Bernie the VP...he'll end up being President for well over half of Biden's term anyway!  Sure he's a card carrying member of the Socialist Party, but at least he's not literally losing his mind and can keep his hands to himself!  

Heh - he could go in for surgery and then , like Nkechi Amare Diallo,  just declare herself black.   Everybody wins here..............

[Tulpa | 3,517]

3 minutes ago, Estil said:

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Honestly, to placate the Bernie folks and get their much needed votes, just make Bernie the VP 

Bernie Bros don't get out to vote. Super Tuesday proved that. He doesn't need them.

[Strange | 1,700]

34 minutes ago, Estil said:

but at least he's not literally losing his mind and can keep his hands to himself!  

Here’s hoping Bernie can help both presidential candidates with these issues of theirs

[MachineCode | 159]

45 minutes ago, Tulpa said:

Bernie Bros don't get out to vote. Super Tuesday proved that. He doesn't need them.

Idk about that being the only thing. It is incredibly suspect that any other delegate holding viable candidates all suddenly dropped out and endorsed Biden right before Super Tuesday. It seems to me that the other candidates and DNC once again teamed up to fuck Sanders over and that the sum of all their bases gets out and votes more than Bernie bros.

[Tulpa | 3,517]

10 minutes ago, MachineCode said:

Idk about that being the only thing. It is incredibly suspect that any other delegate holding viable candidates all suddenly dropped out and endorsed Biden right before Super Tuesday. It seems to me that the other candidates and DNC once again teamed up to fuck Sanders over and that the sum of all their bases gets out and votes more than Bernie bros.

The only one they're teaming up against is Trump. Even Bernie endorsed Biden. Why would he do that if he suspected another fix?

The reason the others dropped out is their poor showing in the early states. They saw the polls and knew one of the two Bs was going to run away with it. Nothing nefarious happened, it was just votes.

All the pledged support means nothing if your voters don't, you know, actually go into a voting booth and pull the lever.

Edited April 22, 2020 by Tulpa

[MachineCode | 159]

Because Bernie is a class act and no matter what, no matter how many times he gets screwed, he will support the fight against Trump. He did the same thing and endorsed Hillary in 2016.

[Californication | 1,477]

1 minute ago, Tulpa said:

The only one they're teaming up against is Trump. Even Bernie endorsed Biden. Why would he do that if he suspected another fix?

The reason the others dropped out is their poor showing in the early states. They saw the polls and knew one of the two Bs was going to run away with it. Nothing nefarious happened, it was just votes.

It's been reported by multiple sources that Obama reached out to the other candidates to get them to throw their support.

[Tulpa | 3,517]

1 minute ago, Californication said:

It's been reported by multiple sources that Obama reached out to the other candidates to get them to throw their support.

Sure, he figured that Biden had the best chance. And he was right.

The simple fact is people didn't go vote for Bernie. I actually like Bernie, but his popularity doesn't show up in the voting both.

[Californication | 1,477]

13 minutes ago, Tulpa said:

Sure, he figured that Biden had the best chance. And he was right.

The simple fact is people didn't go vote for Bernie. I actually like Bernie, but his popularity doesn't show up in the voting both.

Bernie's main policies win a majority across America although he didn't win.

I am not sure if this is still true, but Bernie was the most popular politician. 

So, whether Bernie or Biden had a better chance I think is still open to debate. 

Obama backed Joe Biden because he likes his moderate policies. Biden won the political game so for me that is the starting point. What are we going to do now. Will Biden be a better president than Trump?

[Tulpa | 3,517]

23 minutes ago, Californication said:

Bernie's main policies win a majority across America although he didn't win.

I am not sure if this is still true, but Bernie was the most popular politician. 

Sure, but having your policies poll well is different than actually getting the votes. Policy is only one part of the puzzle.

Bernie's main two challenges was getting minority votes and getting the young voters to actually show up at the booths. Admittedly, all politicians struggle with the latter, but Bernie's campaign hedged a lot of bets on that, and the young voter turnout was ABYSMAL. They had the same challenges in 2016 and four years to figure out how to address it.

23 minutes ago, Californication said:

 Will Biden be a better president than Trump?

I got to say, the bar is pretty low. To be honest, I like a lot of what Bernie had planned, and I hope he plays a role in the future.

Edited April 22, 2020 by Tulpa

[Estil | 1,265]

And ironically, even though these guys are as different politically as night and day, the top thing that put them over the top above all else, Obama '08 and Trump '16 had to keep their voters hungry!  No really, remember how both had that rock star sort of appeal while their opponents' supporters were kinda "heh"?  Yeah, I wonder which side is gonna most gonna go out of their way to vote.

The thing is though, the '20 Election is already a little over six months away and it's looking less and less likely we'll even had a real election/campaign.  I mean how can we do things like campaign rallies (especially Trump's), conventions, debates and so on with this Cornoholio virus still going on?  I will say, and mark my words, NO CHANCE the actual Election Day gets postponed or canceled.  I don't think the Constitution allows it and how can we if the 1864 election in which the Civil War was still going on had the election on time, no problem?

[MachineCode | 159]

1 minute ago, Estil said:

I will say, and mark my words, NO CHANCE the actual Election Day gets postponed or canceled.

Assuming a scenario where we still are not able to gather in any sort of mass on election day, you can bet team 45 wants nothing less. He even said it himself that alternatives that expand voting access, such as mail in voting, would more or less ensure a loss. They want people to actually have to choose between feeling safe with regards to their health and being able to cast their ballot, knowing full well that their base are far more likely to choose the latter.

[Tulpa | 3,517]

9 minutes ago, Estil said:

 I will say, and mark my words, NO CHANCE the actual Election Day gets postponed or canceled.  I don't think the Constitution allows it and how can we if the 1864 election in which the Civil War was still going on had the election on time, no problem?

Keep in mind that "election day" isn't in the Constitution. It just has to be in a 34 day period to send electors to cast the vote. In fact, it wasn't until 1848 that it was confined to one day.

One of the problems with a single election day on a weekday is that it doesn't allow a large turnout for significant segments. Mail in voting would solve a lot of that.

Edited April 22, 2020 by Tulpa

[Estil | 1,265]

3 minutes ago, MachineCode said:

Assuming a scenario where we still are not able to gather in any sort of mass on election day, you can bet team 45 wants nothing less. He even said it himself that alternatives that expand voting access, such as mail in voting, would more or less ensure a loss. They want people to actually have to choose between feeling safe with regards to their health and being able to cast their ballot, knowing full well that their base are far more likely to choose the latter.

I don't see what's so wrong with mail in voting...it works for the census, we already have that option for absentee ballots anyway.  I mean, if you got a better idea I'm all ears.

[Estil | 1,265]

3 minutes ago, Tulpa said:

Keep in mind that "election day" isn't in the Constitution. It just has to be in a 34 day period to send electors to cast the vote. In fact, it wasn't until 1848 that it was confined to one day.

You're right; I stand corrected.  But there is that little matter about the 20th Amendment...it does specially say on what day/time both the Pres/VP as well as the terms of the Sens/Reps start/end.

[MachineCode | 159]

9 minutes ago, Estil said:

I don't see what's so wrong with mail in voting...it works for the census, we already have that option for absentee ballots anyway.  I mean, if you got a better idea I'm all ears.

I see absolutely nothing wrong with it and encourage it. I think you might have misunderstood what I wrote. Nothing I wrote was in any way an endorsement of suppression of mail in voting but rather calling out those that do so.

Another fun fact: Mail in voting has been available for soldiers since the Civil War.

Edited April 22, 2020 by MachineCode

[CodysGameRoom | 2,008]

@Gloves @Tabonga

Sorry, I guess the joke went over people's head. I was just making fun of other admin/poster requests to keep politics out of the coronavirus thread. Because obviously the discussion does go hand in hand. Yet I was mocked in that thread when I brought it up. LOL

Also for the record I did start the original politics thread and then it was clsoed by a mod and a new one posted, I don't know why. Whatever though, lol.

[Gloves | 11,800]

Just now, CodysGameRoom said:

@Gloves @Tabonga

Sorry, I guess the joke went over people's head. I was just making fun of other admin/poster requests to keep politics out of the coronavirus thread. Because obviously the discussion does go hand in hand. Yet I was mocked in that thread when I brought it up. LOL

Also for the record I did start the original politics thread and then it was clsoed by a mod and a new one posted, I don't know why. Whatever though, lol.

I need someone to write a lore post for the forum so I can keep up with who's the good guy and the bad guy, too many twists and turns.

[Strange | 1,700]

50 minutes ago, Gloves said:

I need someone to write a lore post for the forum so I can keep up with who's the good guy and the bad guy, too many twists and turns.

Hey, that’s not fair to assholes like me!

[Link | 2,715]

4 hours ago, Tulpa said:

Sure, he figured that Biden had the best chance. And he was right.

The simple fact is people didn't go vote for Bernie. I actually like Bernie, but his popularity doesn't show up in the voting both.

Yeah Biden can win the primary, but for all the harping about “electability” he’s not going to win the general election. Sanders could if he were put up. There are so many stories about his crossover appeal. Democrats are myopic idiots.

[Tabonga | 2,324]

4 hours ago, Gloves said:

I need someone to write a lore post for the forum so I can keep up with who's the good guy and the bad guy, too many twists and turns.

Here is the theme song for that post: