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Thanks for the replies so far. We need a good cross section in order to verify this. Or whatever the earliest chip date we can find and go from there.

MM1 is not nearly as hard as people make it out to be. I beat it on a Playchoice 10 in an arcade a few months ago! And you can keep looping Wily after beating him to beef up your score.

*EDIT* NVMD. Both Wild Gunman and Clu Clu were HVC. I didn't even notice all SMBs (3screw / 5 screw) were all HVC.

Even thought it wouldn't hurt, my guess as I said above was if we can find first print SMBs, I would guess it came from the same print pool as those famicom ones and have HVC codes. Have any SMBs with famicom adapters been found?

No one? lol. Well I tried.

This I get. I can completely understand the distaste for that stuff, trust me. I dont like EVERYTHING they did either, mostly the early stuff. But for anyone to say they were overrated doesn't understand the extreme impact they had in all elements of music. They basically help start the metal genre by influencing Black Sabbath. Mainly Ozzy. Theres a great clip from Howard Stern where I think Ozzy AND Paul McCartney are on the same show and when Ozzy meets Paul he gets basically starstruck. Here ya go

In this seemingly innocuous thread in "The Gauntlet", discussion popped up about SMB's lauch date. @austin532had a good idea on opening up @Tanookis SMB cart. Turns out his cart says its from 86, not 85 as he might have thought. Austin also mentioned that if the date code of the chip is 8537 (or really any 85xx) it would help clear things up. Bootgods website says the earliest launch is Sept of 86. http://bootgod.dyndns.org:7777/ So what do we need. We need YOU to see if we can find any 85 SMB carts by opening them up! Heres what to look for. 1. First off, we're looking for the ORIGINAL Super Mario Bros. NO SMB/DHs. 2. It MUST BE a 5 screw cart. 3. After opening look at the chips. There'll be 3. A "PRG" one (for game-code), a CHR" one (for graphcis) and the CIC lockout chip. 4. There should be some sort of 4 digit number on every chip. Something like 8634. The way to read this is the first 2 digits are the year (1986) and the last 2 are week. Meaning 34th week of 1986. Which means the chip was was printed then. Looking online it would be from Sept 1 to Sept 7th of 1986. All the date codes for the chips are important, including the CIC one as youll see below. Here's some other info. The black box titles for the NES are identical to the Famicom versions. Famicom carts have the code "HVC-SM" product ID on it for Super Mario Bros. US carts would have "NES-SM". I would guess that the earliest print runs of SMB would have "HVC-SM-0 PRG" on them, and not "NES-SM-0 PRG". Also for info, the earliest print of the FAMICOM Super Mario Bros is 8538. The 38th week of 1985. My guess is that if the first print of SMB would have those date codes on its chips, but printed onto a 72 pin PCB. Also would be interesting to find out if any SMBs with Famicom adapters have surfaced. That would help too. Looking through bootgods website, all the EARLIEST 'known' print black box games all had Famicom adapters except two. Wild Gunman and Clu Clu Land. All having 72 pin PCBs, HVC product ids, with date codes from 85. Wild Gunman being 8539 and Clu Clus being from 84 and 85 (Assuming these were once again, re-used chips that were originally intended for Famicom carts). The problem is Wild Gunmans CIC chip is 8542, being printed the same WEEK the NES was launched so its highly unlikely this was not on store shelves that week. I don't expect to find an SMB like this, but if we do that would be REALLY very strong. Or if you want, just upload a pic here and we can do the rest. Lets get cracking! ,

I dunno why we didn't come up with this sooner haha. I think im gonna create a thread on this.

How did the beatles in the late 60s need any more interest? By 6 they were do damn popular that they STOPPED TOURING because of all the problems it was causing. John Lennon wasn't too far off when he said they were more popular than Jesus. EDIT. I wanted to add the "I buried Paul" thing is John saying Cranberry Sauce and was totally obvious when the Anthology came out. If they were planting it, they said "What sounds like "I buried Paul" to confuse people?" or if they did why not say "I buried Paul" to begin with if it was gonna be so buried in the mix. Only to be outsed 30 years later?

I dont think it was a marketing trick at all. I do love it too though. I really enjoy conspiracy theories, even though I dont believe any one of them.

If you really want to hear what the Beatles are about, Let it Be, Hey Jude, Love Me Do are NOT good examples. These are real winners: If I Fell, In My Life, Something, Here There and Everywhere, A Day in the Life, The Long and Winding Road and Blackbird. These are just all masterclasses on incredibly smart and catchy song writing. Ill even throw in George's original demo version of While My Guitar Gently Weeps which to me is just so much better than the album version. The demo is so gentle, while the album version is too rocked up and to me, loses the power of the song.

Kinda controversial but to me, this is their absolute best song. It uses all the songwriting tricks in this and is so harmonically adventurous as a pop song, i'd say this is Johns magnum opus.

OR you can be wrong, because those date codes are 100% standard in IC chips. The PRG and CHR date codes are for when THOSE chips we're actually printed. https://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-read-date-codes-on-ICschips/ Everyone, start opening up for 5 screw SMB carts!

This is easily the weakest part of the MM2. Just so silly that you have just enough for the fight if you have full Crash Bomb. When i first played it, I just destroyed everything I needed to and killed the wall things. I think for the top one I used item 1 or just some tricky jumping.

Doom 2 counts as a win. After killing the Icon of Sin, run into the explosions and you'll die. Then you get the end screen.

The chips usually have 3 markings on them. The item code (NES-gamecode-PRG for Program, CHR for Graphics chip), the manufacturer and part number of the chip and date code. And in rare instances certain companies have their own date code style, instead of the year/week number.

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He was an idiot, thats why. Theres no money it in because theres a billion SMB/DH and they're cheap to begin with. To make fake ones would cost so much time and effort for no gain. Which is why you see them for expensive games. The chinese GBA bootleg games are usually for pokemon/first party titles, and even those dont make any sense because some of those mario games are really cheap to begin with. The cost for them to manufacture a ton of pcbs is much smaller though. If you wanted to, you could absolutely make an exact Stadium Events replica. The only things really unique about it are the label and chips. If you can get a factory to make chips for you and have them stamp the correct codes on it, you'll never know. But to start that up is so expensive it might not even be worth it. Those factories print in bulk, not one offs. Thats why china pumps them out because they're designing the pcs and printing them out themselves, instead of outsourcing to a company. And when they do it, its in poor quality, making them easy to spot. The harder to spot ones are usually one offs that someone made.

Again, where's the proof? The only people who get fooled are usually fools not knowing what they're buying, or people who are hedging their bet because the deal was too good to be true. Like a Samson inside a lot of 30 games with hardly any pics. Always use your brain and if you're unsure ask questions. If its still shady, dont move forward. How hard is that?

Wheres the proof on this? I don't get how people are so anal that they're so afraid of bootlegs and fake copies. Its so easy to spot one. I knew a genius of a guy that threw out every game that had an epoxy blob like the Chinese fakes. Yeah thats all well and good but since its a much more efficient way of building the PCBs instead of burning chips, almost ALL the high volume pack in games were epoxy. So he was throwing out SMB/DHs and who knows what else. And no matter how much info I gave him, he doubled down. He eventually went out of business.

Yeah, if there were any game differences. Werent the background graphics slightly different? I gotta look online now.

We'd have to open up and find out. On boogod the earliest date is Sept of 86 which can not be true. Its just the earliest they had. Everyone open up those SMB carts and hopefully its not a blob PCB!\ EDIT - FWIW I looked at the famicom SMB and their chip codes are 8538 so the game at least existed but the product code is HVC (which means famicom). Im fuzzy but is there a difference between the Japanese and American games? If there isn't (like with most of those early black box titles) Id bet that the launch title SMBs probably have HVC chips and not NES ones.

Its all about visibility. The more people know about it AND its a good game, the more people clamor for it. For a game to be super expensive it needs three things, Rarity, Quality and Visibility all of them add up to Desirability. Visibility being the most important for the price spike. How many people know about it? Thats why I always say to do your own research and you can bypass all of this and not get bit in the butt when its too late.

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Please explain. The Beatles are not even arguably, the most influential band of all time. Between songwriting, lyrics, arrangement, music videos, album concepts, recording techniques. They're a 10. You dont have to like em (which for some songs, I can understand. Some horrible throw aways and terrible songs) but anyone that dismisses their historical impact is incredibly ignorant especially within music. The countless music and artists they inspired is insane. I also say they were the first prog band (listen to a song from 1963, then 1967) and see how much they changed. Also 17 number one hits in only 6 years in the US? C'mon. Stop foolin yourselves. As someone that takes music seriously, its almost insulting. If you took a little out of their song writing and put it into musicianship (better guitar, vocals etc) you'd get Queen.