samsamsamsmasmasma | 16 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) Along that same line, I finally picked up the tetris with no dashes and it came with a manual. Is there still some question about when it was released and if it was intentional or a printing error. Also picked up a track and field -1 manual if anyone is interested. Edited July 17, 2020 by samsamsamsmasmasma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splain | 2,629 Editorials Team · Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 1 hour ago, samsamsamsmasmasma said: Along that same line, I finally picked up the tetris with no dashes and it came with a manual. Is there still some question about when it was released and if it was intentional or a printing error. Also picked up a track and field -1 manual if anyone is interested. Eyyy I want that Track & Field -1 manual. PM incoming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splain | 2,629 Editorials Team · Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 While we're on the subject, (we're not.) I've finally gathered all the SML and Tetris manual variants! If anyone has any ideas for a good way to compare these things, I'd love to document what the differences are from revision to revision. I can eyeball a few copyright/disclaimer differences in the first page, but I'd love to see if there are any actual content differences, in these and other manual variants in the library. It just gets kind of cumbersome and tricky to just open them both and keep moving my head back and forth. Though not many games have manual variants up to 6 or 7. And if anyone has ever seen anything higher than SML USA-7 or Tetris USA-6, give me a shout! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samsamsamsmasmasma | 16 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 I would scan them all into a computer and then just copy and paste so each set of pages is in one image. Then you could circle the differences too. It be like a really boring version of that already boring game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RH | 5,058 Posted July 17, 2020 Author Share Posted July 17, 2020 @Splain I'd be willing to bet for all of these variantions of all of these manuals (SML, Tetris or otherwise) if it's not a publisher logo swap, it's just going to be the addition of a date stamp for a copyright. The second change will be updated legalease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JVOSS | 1,762 Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 Here is one for the list. The Lock N' Chase V1 Cart.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JVOSS | 1,762 Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 On 7/17/2020 at 5:30 AM, RH said: @Splain I'd be willing to bet for all of these variantions of all of these manuals (SML, Tetris or otherwise) if it's not a publisher logo swap, it's just going to be the addition of a date stamp for a copyright. The second change will be updated legalease. @RH, @Splain, The variants in the manual can also help on how many cart variants there are. i have only been able to validate this with the USA carts. but i think it hold true with international except japan.. here is what i speculate. if you have a rev2 manual then there is at a minimal a v1 cart. example zelda... you have 4 carts with the following codes DMG-ZL-USA DMG-ZL-USA-1 DMG-ZL-USA-2 DMG-ZL-USA-3 and for the manuals you have DMG-ZL-USA DMG-ZL-USA-1 DMG-ZL-USA-2 DMG-ZL-USA-3 DMG-ZL-USA-4 cart --- Panel Action Bingo DMG-YB-USA Manual - Panel Action Bingo DMG-YB-USA now if you have a only a rev1 manual then you don't have a rev1 cart. example cart -- Batman Forever DMG-A3BE-USA Manual - Batman Forever DMG-A3BE-USA Manual - Batman Forever DMG-A3BE-USA-1 there is only a hand full of USA carts that don't follow this. Or the cart has not be found. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splain | 2,629 Editorials Team · Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 @JVOSS Yeah, that would be an interesting way to look for cart variants. It's not a rule or anything, but it's a little suspicious that these games have a rev-1 and rev-2 manual, but no known cart variants: 4-in-1 Funpak Vol 2 Daffy Duck: the Marvin Missions Donkey Kong Land 3 Game & Watch Gallery Ken Griffey Jr. Presents Major League Baseball Kid Icarus: Of Myths and Monsters Speedy Gonzales (I've never actually seen a rev-1 manual but I assume it exists) Tetris Plus Yoshi And those are just the ones that I've personally found. Could be more. Also strange that Wave Race manuals go up to rev-4 but there's only a rev-1 cart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samsamsamsmasmasma | 16 Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 3 hours ago, JVOSS said: Here is one for the list. The Lock N' Chase V1 Cart.... Nice I picked one of these up not too along with the raging fighter and dragons lair rev 1. All from Canada all separate sellers btw. I havent seen many if any of these 3 pop up in the U.S. I wonder if some of the new rev stock that was produced was sent specifically for late demand in Canada? Could just be conincedental though. Where did you pick up your lock n chase? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JVOSS | 1,762 Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 Looks to be NY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JVOSS | 1,762 Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 45 minutes ago, Splain said: @JVOSS Yeah, that would be an interesting way to look for cart variants. It's not a rule or anything, but it's a little suspicious that these games have a rev-1 and rev-2 manual, but no known cart variants: 4-in-1 Funpak Vol 2 Daffy Duck: the Marvin Missions Donkey Kong Land 3 Game & Watch Gallery Ken Griffey Jr. Presents Major League Baseball Kid Icarus: Of Myths and Monsters Speedy Gonzales (I've never actually seen a rev-1 manual but I assume it exists) Tetris Plus Yoshi And those are just the ones that I've personally found. Could be more. Also strange that Wave Race manuals go up to rev-4 but there's only a rev-1 cart. @Splain, actually this "theory" only applies to manuals that have a rev2 or better. A rav1 is more like a rev0 as it is there to adjust spelling/or missing data. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splain | 2,629 Editorials Team · Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 6 hours ago, JVOSS said: @Splain, actually this "theory" only applies to manuals that have a rev2 or better. A rav1 is more like a rev0 as it is there to adjust spelling/or missing data. Those games all have manuals rev-2 or better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JVOSS | 1,762 Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Splain said: Those games all have manuals rev-2 or better. will cook my goose fat. i have never see rev2 for that list. guess ill need to troll ebay more. by chance do you have photos? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splain | 2,629 Editorials Team · Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 I don't have all of them, but I've seen pics of them. I do have these 3: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JVOSS | 1,762 Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acidjaguar | 258 Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 you guys are all screwed! hahahahahha. The rabbit hole never ends my friends 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RpgCollector | 912 Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 (edited) I am 6 away from every box variant I know of. Still have never seen a Super Mario Land Rated E box. It must exist though? How about the Zelda Rated E box? The way Zelda collectors are I doubt this box exists. We would have seen it. I have the Super Mario Land 2 Rate E box. Only seen 2 of those. Edited September 3, 2020 by RpgCollector 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splain | 2,629 Editorials Team · Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 12 hours ago, RpgCollector said: I am 6 away from every box variant I know of. This is astounding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JVOSS | 1,762 Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 Wow that make about 104-210 in the set. Great job help us out here it has been long debated that the black E were available in retail format. i on the other hand hold the Black E were all released as a bundle and not released as a standalone retail. Chip Code 99-- black E Chip Code 98-- 96-- spray paint E what your data showing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RpgCollector | 912 Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 28 minutes ago, JVOSS said: Wow that make about 104-210 in the set. Great job help us out here it has been long debated that the black E were available in retail format. i on the other hand hold the Black E were all released as a bundle and not released as a standalone retail. Chip Code 99-- black E Chip Code 98-- 96-- spray paint E what your data showing? I am guessing you mean these. Acidjaguar and I believe these 3 and Super Mario Land 1 all we’re late 1999 early 2000 re-releases. SML 2 - Date 9947 DKL - Date - 9948 DKL 2 - Date 9948 So fits with the theory. Man someone show me a Super Mario Land Black E box please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RpgCollector | 912 Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 For you manual guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RpgCollector | 912 Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 (edited) So now the super fun to variant collecting. In November of 2000 I bought this brand new from a Best Buy. They had a kiosk set up with a ton of brand new Gameboy games. All from Sunsoft. In fact I bought all 4 Final Fantasy Gameboy games brand new. The box and manual are both -2 and the chip date code 0037. Yep 37 week of 2000. Now have some fun! Just like to point out NO ESRB! Edited September 3, 2020 by RpgCollector 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0xDEAFC0DE | 1,277 Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 1 hour ago, JVOSS said: Wow that make about 104-210 in the set. Great job help us out here it has been long debated that the black E were available in retail format. i on the other hand hold the Black E were all released as a bundle and not released as a standalone retail. Chip Code 99-- black E Chip Code 98-- 96-- spray paint E what your data showing? I remember doing some research to figure out the esrb logo changes by looking at a lot of N64 games and here's what I found. Tl;dr: it's roughly spray paint E: August 1998 - September 1999 Solid E: October 1999 - present On 1/14/2020 at 5:57 PM, 0xDEAFC0DE said: The solid E change happened between September and October 1999. Here's the games released around then. All gradient: Monaco Grand Prix (Sept), NASCAR 2000 (Sept), Goemon's Great Adventure (9/15 or 9/22), Army Men: Sarge's Heroes (9/29) Solid cart + gradient box: Destruction Derby 64 (10/2), Winback: Covert Operations (Sept) All solid: Knockout Kings 2000 (10/3) From earlier in this thread looking at n64 games On 1/28/2020 at 8:23 PM, 0xDEAFC0DE said: ... The date code translates to 8/20/98. Which was around the time that the K-A to E rating switch happened. This was from talking about the manual that went with a spray paint E Players choice link's awakening cart. I don't have my research notes still, but I think I did the same thing by looking up N64 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RH | 5,058 Posted September 3, 2020 Author Share Posted September 3, 2020 1 hour ago, RpgCollector said: So now the super fun to variant collecting. In November of 2000 I bought this brand new from a Best Buy. They had a kiosk set up with a ton of brand new Gameboy games. All from Sunsoft. In fact I bought all 4 Final Fantasy Gameboy games brand new. The box and manual are both -2 and the chip date code 0037. Yep 37 week of 2000. Now have some fun! Just like to point out NO ESRB! I bought all four as well. Never opened them. I sold the lot in 2005 or 06, maybe. Probably my biggest gaming regret. I even chose the best conditioned ones so there were no scrapes or crushing on the boxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitarzombie | 929 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 From 2000 thats amazing to think about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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