JamesRobot | 5,788 Events Team · Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 3 hours ago, fcgamer said: Reminds me of the definitive SMB2 Japanese version he did that was just a copy of Taiwanese Gamars' SMB2J disk to cart conversion. How ubiquitous was that conversion cart? Would you be able to hunt a copy down for me? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fcgamer | 4,721 Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Gloves said: Bootleg: A new game which makes heavy unauthorized use of materials from an existing game. Pirate: An unauthorized copy of an existing game. Knockoff: A game heavily inspired by an existing game. Pirate and bootleg ate often thrown around interchangeably in this market, even being tossed around where they shouldn't be used, i.e Sachen's Taiwan 16 Tile Mahjong isn't either, yet a quick search for"bootleg shit games" or something will turn it up. Knockoff isn't a very good word either; while I agree with the definition provided, is Trophy a Mega Man knockoff or a spiritual successor? How about Doropie? Same with the word "clone". There's just a lot of baggage and negative connotations with some of these terms, often conjuring up bad quality and stuff too. That's what we want to get away from, as it's just dismissive of whole libraries of games and the hard work of many. I mean, should the Super A'can just be viewed as knockoff of the SNES? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fcgamer | 4,721 Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 1 hour ago, JamesRobot said: How ubiquitous was that conversion cart? Would you be able to hunt a copy down for me? I'll see what I can do, it definitely turns up sometimes, often in a pink cart to match Super Mario USA. They also did a Doki Doki Panic conversion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloves | 11,771 Administrator · Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 8 minutes ago, fcgamer said: Pirate and bootleg ate often thrown around interchangeably in this market, even being tossed around where they shouldn't be used, i.e Sachen's Taiwan 16 Tile Mahjong isn't either, yet a quick search for"bootleg shit games" or something will turn it up. Knockoff isn't a very good word either; while I agree with the definition provided, is Trophy a Mega Man knockoff or a spiritual successor? How about Doropie? Same with the word "clone". There's just a lot of baggage and negative connotations with some of these terms, often conjuring up bad quality and stuff too. That's what we want to get away from, as it's just dismissive of whole libraries of games and the hard work of many. I mean, should the Super A'can just be viewed as knockoff of the SNES? I'd consider a knockoff to be VERY close to the original; a lot of games in the PS2 era into the PS3 era were knockoffs of God of War. A spiritual successor I'd consider a completely new work which was inspired by a work, or is intended to evoke a similar feeling to the inspirational material. Much of the term knockoff vs spiritual successor also comes with a mix of time between releases and intent - is the creator openly paying homage to a work, or are they copying a winning formula very closely hoping to make bank off of the understanding that it's "like more of GameX!". I think they're subtly different, and it gets down to some nitty gritty specifics. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloves | 11,771 Administrator · Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 Anywho, I think the original intent of the thread was to talk about the new RetroUSB release, not the semantics of terms. Let's someone make a new thread if we want to revisit that old conversation further, otherwise let's try to stick to the game itself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fcgamer | 4,721 Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 18 minutes ago, Gloves said: I'd consider a knockoff to be VERY close to the original; a lot of games in the PS2 era into the PS3 era were knockoffs of God of War. A spiritual successor I'd consider a completely new work which was inspired by a work, or is intended to evoke a similar feeling to the inspirational material. Much of the term knockoff vs spiritual successor also comes with a mix of time between releases and intent - is the creator openly paying homage to a work, or are they copying a winning formula very closely hoping to make bank off of the understanding that it's "like more of GameX!". I think they're subtly different, and it gets down to some nitty gritty specifics. Yes, I would agree with that to an extent, but as you said, it comes down to splitting hairs a bit. I mean, I think Trophy is closer to Mega Man than Doropie, yet it would be classified as a spiritual successor due to being a guy in the community and the time released, with Doropie potentially receiving flack yet being more different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloves | 11,771 Administrator · Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 I'm placing my order now; unfortunately I'll be doing so without tracking and just hoping it works out okay: I know people were upset recently with Analogue for shipping prices on the Pocket etc., but honestly shipping is just stupid these days. The cheapest (and only) option which includes tracking for a single cart-only NES game is $52 USD. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fcgamer | 4,721 Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 16 hours ago, Gloves said: I'm placing my order now; unfortunately I'll be doing so without tracking and just hoping it works out okay: I know people were upset recently with Analogue for shipping prices on the Pocket etc., but honestly shipping is just stupid these days. The cheapest (and only) option which includes tracking for a single cart-only NES game is $52 USD. I think both of the last two USA presidencies hiked international shipping rates, that's generally the area they hike the most when raising prices as they know desperate people will pay. Then covid and gas prices likely raised the costs even more. My folks more or less stopped sending me stuff, aside from a small Christmas gift, as prices are just so stupid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeatherRebel5150 | 1,056 Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 (edited) Cant believe I missed this thread, Im glad to see there ate still people excited for these releases. It seemed like not many people cared anymore but clearly I was wrong. I love these christmas games and have been getting them every year since 2011. Got to keep the tradition alive Edit: After watching the gameplay I do kinda wish the Super Mario Bros. Xmas Rekringled rom was used as a base. It would have been more season appropriate with the snow and throwing snow balls instead of fire balls Edited November 26, 2022 by LeatherRebel5150 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrekMD | 1,391 Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Does anyone know what happened to NES-City? They used to make boxes for these Christmas games but the last one they made was for the 2020 release. It was nice getting their boxes to complement the carts. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Morbis | 2,088 Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 25 minutes ago, TrekMD said: Does anyone know what happened to NES-City? They used to make boxes for these Christmas games but the last one they made was for the 2020 release. It was nice getting their boxes to complement the carts. The owner of that site is a moderater here: @fsped09 so you might want to ask him directly what the story is with his website... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a3quit4s | 4,096 Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 7 hours ago, Dr. Morbis said: The owner of that site is a moderater here: @fsped09 so you might want to ask him directly what the story is with his website... I’m also curious on this seems both NES City and Uncle Tusk went by the wayside. I’d love to get boxes printed for my older Xmas carts too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NostalgicMachine | 229 Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 This looks amazing, lmao. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrekMD | 1,391 Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 On 11/29/2022 at 12:14 AM, Dr. Morbis said: The owner of that site is a moderater here: @fsped09 so you might want to ask him directly what the story is with his website... Well, I sent a PM but no reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Code Monkey | 2,006 Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 2023 now available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrekMD | 1,391 Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 Already ordered! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RegularGuyGamer | 2,012 Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 Wasn't this released in 2016? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a3quit4s | 4,096 Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 16 minutes ago, RegularGuyGamer said: Wasn't this released in 2016? Pinball yes, but this is a version of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RegularGuyGamer | 2,012 Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 Anyone know if it's just a new table or if anything else has been updated? The homescreen looks to be the same image on both product pages. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a3quit4s | 4,096 Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, RegularGuyGamer said: Anyone know if it's just a new table or if anything else has been updated? The homescreen looks to be the same image on both product pages. Says all new table in the description. Haven’t played mine yet but I dont have a reason to think BunnyBoy would be lying. https://www.retrousb.com/product_info.php?cPath=30&products_id=173&osCsid=96be4ac5de5d6cb809d624bc0b9360b9 edit: there is a link to a YouTube of the new table too: https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&v=qBnX4IuEh8w&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.retrousb.com%2F&source_ve_path=MTM5MTE3LDI4NjY2&feature=emb_logo Edited December 10, 2023 by a3quit4s 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrekMD | 1,391 Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 You can get the download of the 2016 game for free on the RetroUSB page. Here's what that table looks like: And here is the new one... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RegularGuyGamer | 2,012 Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 I have the 2016 release. I was mainly wondering if skipping this means I wouldn't miss much. I like the 2016 game but idk if it's enough to have 2 Christmas pinball games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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