bronzeshield | 293 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 I'd never heard of this streamer before, but it appears he's close to beating the entire licensed library à la TheMexicanRunner: https://www.twitch.tv/newgongue https://www.youtube.com/user/Jigwally/videos https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zKWPHCCFuS4JOR3kWdyWqReVSpv7WxL14mOJGuFKdVY/edit#gid=0 Is anyone else familiar with him? Is he a member of the community here, even? I haven't vetted his videos to confirm that he's not using cheats, etc.; I watched his Dragon's Lair video and he did use some pause abuse on the final boss. (So did TMR on Star Force, IIRC.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaryice | 587 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 (edited) Dugongue, I remember this guy getting banned from the SDA forums for being a jerk or something (I don't know the details). Edited January 15, 2020 by scaryice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitarzombie | 924 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Only took 20 mins for "To the Earth"???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbd39 | 2,020 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 I know him from seeing his playthroughs on Youtube. He likes to use pause strats even for games that don't really need it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnpoly | 198 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 We've followed each other on Twitter for awhile now and I just found out he was doing this. He's pretty knowledgeable about random NES games which I why I followed in the first place. I am confident he is the real deal, though I have not done any "vetting" of videos or anything like that. I am shooting for the same goal so I'm trying my best to keep up with others doing the same thing. 9 hours ago, guitarzombie said: Only took 20 mins for "To the Earth"???? Specific to this game, I know he figured out the Game Genie code to skip straight to the last level to practice it. A full playthrough lasts around 20 minutes, maybe that is what he means. I spent about 20 hours (I think) playing this game over and over from the start before I beat it. 4 minutes ago, mbd39 said: I know him from seeing his playthroughs on Youtube. He likes to use pause strats even for games that don't really need it. I think using pause strats is fine and a legit strategy. But it's not my style and I won't be doing it for any games I play. Just personal taste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitarzombie | 924 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Ok, cuz I thought it was like TMR where he would stream the entire game to show how long it took for him to just beat it. I thought I remembered how difficult this game was so 20 mins seemed outrageous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bronzeshield | 293 Posted January 15, 2020 Author Share Posted January 15, 2020 (edited) Thanks, y'all. I maintain a list of library completion projects like this, both active and abandoned, over at AtariAge: http://atariage.com/forums/topic/265955-list-of-chronogaminglibrary-completion-projects-reviews-longplays-etc/ I hadn't heard of this one before, and am shocked that he's so close to finishing it with so little fanfare. By "vetting" I just meant that I haven't watched more than a couple of his videos -- though I did watch the Destination Earthstar one and, man, he cuts it close! -- and so I couldn't vouch for his methodology. I do know of a couple of "beat the library" streamers who do things that might be questioned, especially with sports games, i.e. not playing the full game even if it has a definitive ending. (I haven't run into any that use cheat codes or savestates yet, though it wouldn't surprise me if they're out there.) So I just wanted to anticipate any objections of that kind. I haven't made up my mind about pause strats, though I tried it on one of my Back to the Future runs the other day (the accursed DeLorean sequence) and, to be honest, it felt kinda icky. As it turned out, on the winning run, I didn't end up using it. Actually the only game I can remember beating with pause strats is Sol-Feace for Sega CD when I beat it on Mania, in the last stage. Now I wish I hadn't used them, so I guess it's not for me (no judgment on anyone else, though). At least my wife didn't have to listen to me swearing at the game anymore, though. BTW if anyone knows of any other projects not listed at the link above, don't hesitate to let me know. Beat-'em-all, review-'em-all, whatever the case may be, as long as the objective is clearly library completion of some sort. Edited January 15, 2020 by bronzeshield 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefaultGen | 5,403 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 (edited) I've watched his videos (speedrun/youtube) to see how he gets through tough spots because he often uses the cheesiest available strategies LOL. He must have submitted a lot of his casual playthroughs as speedruns because I often go to the bottom of the Speedrun.com leaderboards just to see footage of "normal" people playing games. Not hating on the accomplishment though. He's obviously legit. Edited January 15, 2020 by DefaultGen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloves | 11,777 Administrator · Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, DefaultGen said: I've watched his videos (speedrun/youtube) to see how he gets through tough spots because he often uses the cheesiest available strategies LOL. He must have submitted a lot of his casual playthroughs as speedruns because I often go to the bottom of the Speedrun.com leaderboards just to see footage of "normal" people playing games. Not hating on the accomplishment though. He's obviously legit. Imagine having to cheese Elevator Action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bronzeshield | 293 Posted January 15, 2020 Author Share Posted January 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Gloves said: Imagine having to cheese Elevator Action. Did you ever hear the Strategy of Darth WashYourFace the Wise? I thought not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Count | 527 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 1 hour ago, bronzeshield said: Did you ever hear the Strategy of Darth WashYourFace the Wise? I thought not. Care to enlighten the uninitiated? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bronzeshield | 293 Posted January 15, 2020 Author Share Posted January 15, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, The Count said: Care to enlighten the uninitiated? Fair enough! Here you go: In Levels 3 & 4 of Elevator Action, WashYourFace figured out that if you sit in a safe spot (far side of a wall) and wait out the enemies as they go more and more nuts trying to shoot you, the aggression counter will eventually roll over and they'll be as meek as kittens for a few minutes. Without that, Level 4 is a brutal, cheap nightmare. TheMexicanRunner credits arnpoly with passing him this information and thereby saving NESMania: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KDNGI76HoMNyYLL6RqWu4PqUbw-lI920tf7QTclnLLE/edit#gid=0 Search on "Elevator Action" and you'll see his note in the rightmost column. Oh, and also, he learned how to resurrect his loved ones, and then he made out with Natalie Portman but it actually turned out to be Keira Knightley's milkman, and then Drape killed Snumblepants the Grey, and him too. Or something like that, anyway. (BTW when I looked at that spreadsheet earlier there were 5 other viewers! What are five people doing on the NESMania spreadsheet, this long after the fact? It's like when you have to take a car trip at 3am, and look askance at everyone else on the road at that hour...) Edited January 15, 2020 by bronzeshield 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnpoly | 198 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 15 hours ago, bronzeshield said: TheMexicanRunner credits arnpoly with passing him this information and thereby saving NESMania: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KDNGI76HoMNyYLL6RqWu4PqUbw-lI920tf7QTclnLLE/edit#gid=0 Search on "Elevator Action" and you'll see his note in the rightmost column. It's on his site too: http://themexicanrunner.com/games/Elevator Action Evidently it was the last review he wrote in the project. I remember he had been playing for 8-10 hours and was really struggling before he asked for help, so I simply took the advice I picked up from this thread and passed it on. I didn't realize I saved the whole project though, that's pretty neat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbd39 | 2,020 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 1 hour ago, arnpoly said: It's on his site too: http://themexicanrunner.com/games/Elevator Action Evidently it was the last review he wrote in the project. I remember he had been playing for 8-10 hours and was really struggling before he asked for help, so I simply took the advice I picked up from this thread and passed it on. I didn't realize I saved the whole project though, that's pretty neat. At least you prevented Elevator Action from being another huge grind along the lines of Ikari Warriors. TMR is persistent enough so that he would have gotten there eventually. Is EA on par with Ikari Warriors and Qbert when not using the cheese strats? I never came close to beating it. But stage 4 must be especially bad considering TMR's reaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bronzeshield | 293 Posted January 16, 2020 Author Share Posted January 16, 2020 (edited) I wouldn't say Elevator Action is in that league, if only because it's so short. Stage 4 is really brutal, in terms of overwhelming/unfair AI behavior, but it's been completed before. I made it through Stage 3 on multiple occasions before I learned about the aggression trick; not sure how far I made it into Stage 4. Edited January 16, 2020 by bronzeshield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhyNotZoidberg | 585 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 (edited) 19 hours ago, bronzeshield said: Thanks, y'all. I maintain a list of library completion projects like this, both active and abandoned, over at AtariAge: http://atariage.com/forums/topic/265955-list-of-chronogaminglibrary-completion-projects-reviews-longplays-etc/ I hadn't heard of this one before, and am shocked that he's so close to finishing it with so little fanfare. By "vetting" I just meant that I haven't watched more than a couple of his videos -- though I did watch the Destination Earthstar one and, man, he cuts it close! -- and so I couldn't vouch for his methodology. I do know of a couple of "beat the library" streamers who do things that might be questioned, especially with sports games, i.e. not playing the full game even if it has a definitive ending. (I haven't run into any that use cheat codes or savestates yet, though it wouldn't surprise me if they're out there.) So I just wanted to anticipate any objections of that kind. I haven't made up my mind about pause strats, though I tried it on one of my Back to the Future runs the other day (the accursed DeLorean sequence) and, to be honest, it felt kinda icky. As it turned out, on the winning run, I didn't end up using it. Actually the only game I can remember beating with pause strats is Sol-Feace for Sega CD when I beat it on Mania, in the last stage. Now I wish I hadn't used them, so I guess it's not for me (no judgment on anyone else, though). At least my wife didn't have to listen to me swearing at the game anymore, though. BTW if anyone knows of any other projects not listed at the link above, don't hesitate to let me know. Beat-'em-all, review-'em-all, whatever the case may be, as long as the objective is clearly library completion of some sort. https://questicle.net/ Edited January 16, 2020 by WhyNotZoidberg misquoted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bronzeshield | 293 Posted January 16, 2020 Author Share Posted January 16, 2020 36 minutes ago, WhyNotZoidberg said: https://questicle.net/ Thanks! I had it listed under Sega Does, but didn't realize he'd started up again with Famicom games. I'll move Questicle up to the heading level. I remember the guy behind both sites had a kind of religious/moral crisis about playing games he didn't own -- I wonder how he resolved it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnpoly | 198 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 3 hours ago, mbd39 said: Is EA on par with Ikari Warriors and Qbert when not using the cheese strats? I never came close to beating it. But stage 4 must be especially bad considering TMR's reaction. 3 hours ago, bronzeshield said: I wouldn't say Elevator Action is in that league, if only because it's so short. Stage 4 is really brutal, in terms of overwhelming/unfair AI behavior, but it's been completed before. I made it through Stage 3 on multiple occasions before I learned about the aggression trick; not sure how far I made it into Stage 4. Though I don't have first-hand experience, I have to agree with bronzeshield. Ikari Warriors and Q*bert are lengthy games, whereas I bet with Elevator Action you benefit from playing through it faster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhyNotZoidberg | 585 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 1 hour ago, bronzeshield said: Thanks! I had it listed under Sega Does, but didn't realize he'd started up again with Famicom games. I'll move Questicle up to the heading level. I remember the guy behind both sites had a kind of religious/moral crisis about playing games he didn't own -- I wonder how he resolved it. He did do every NES game at first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bronzeshield | 293 Posted January 16, 2020 Author Share Posted January 16, 2020 1 hour ago, WhyNotZoidberg said: He did do every NES game at first. Right -- when I put my list together, Questicle was a completed project that wasn't being updated, so I just listed Sega Does in the heading and put Questicle in the description. I hadn't seen that he started Questicle back up (in 2019, I guess?) with Famicom games instead of NES games -- though I have no idea how he'll get anywhere with it, since the Famicom library is immense. At least there are fan translations for just about everything through 1986 and some of 1987. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Pac | 7,542 Graphics Team · Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 On 1/15/2020 at 3:19 PM, DefaultGen said: I've watched his videos (speedrun/youtube) to see how he gets through tough spots because he often uses the cheesiest available strategies LOL. He must have submitted a lot of his casual playthroughs as speedruns because I often go to the bottom of the Speedrun.com leaderboards just to see footage of "normal" people playing games. Not hating on the accomplishment though. He's obviously legit. For some reason, I always find cheesing though boss-battles really satisfying. Finding just the right spot on-screen to camp out and take down an enemy feels like outsmarting the game haha. -CasualCart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BortLicensePlate | 652 Graphics Team · Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 33 minutes ago, CasualCart said: For some reason, I always find cheesing though boss-battles really satisfying. Finding just the right spot on-screen to camp out and take down an enemy feels like outsmarting the game haha. -CasualCart Have you ever played Startropics? You can just jump passed the first boss, it's great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Pac | 7,542 Graphics Team · Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 11 hours ago, BortLicensePlate said: Have you ever played Startropics? You can just jump passed the first boss, it's great It's been a while since I've played Startropics, but I definitely didn't know you could do that - so awesome! -CasualCart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bronzeshield | 293 Posted January 20, 2020 Author Share Posted January 20, 2020 If you like bypassing bosses, you'll love Marvel's X-Men on the NES! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbd39 | 2,020 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 22 minutes ago, bronzeshield said: If you like bypassing bosses, you'll love Marvel's X-Men on the NES! Even better, bypass the entire game. Actually, I dunno, I've never played. But it looks horrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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