Tabonga | 2,324 Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, JamesRobot said: Referring to women as ladies (however scantily clad they may be) is totally appropriate. And while you or I may not be personally offended, it is widely regarded by at least half the population or more that referring to women as "bitchez" is misogynistic and by definition, sexist. Hence the totally reasonable request from Space. James - you are likely aware of this but others here may not be. In the thirties through fifties there was a genre of cover art (for pulps and paperbacks) referred to as "Bug Eyed Monsters" (B.E.M. for short) - usually they featured a monster, a musclebound hero and a female while not necessarily scantily clad was usually alluringly clad. (In fact the male was generally wearing less than the imperiled damsel.) The cover art wasn't intended to be demeaning (although latter day interpretations may erroneously (IMHO) assign that). What is important is how the women would have been described - no fantasy/science fiction/adventure fan would have used a term like "bitch" to identify those women. Here is what is perhaps the quintessential piece of such art: Edited November 10, 2023 by Tabonga 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Pac | 7,560 Graphics Team · Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 10 hours ago, BlackVega said: But nobody here was racist, offensive or even sexist here at this point. Ladies on cover arts are nothing new and there are countless examples of it, even during NES era and nobody is offended and this is something you shouldn't even forbid doing. That is even oversensitive. The term doesn't matter. Nobody was degrading ladies. Females on cover arts don't need to be "low quality". They might as well be...... very high quality women 9 hours ago, fcgamer said: Personally I feel much more uncomfortable about the term lady, and here's an article explaining some of the issues with the word: https://helloclue.com/articles/culture/lets-talk-about-word-lady With the word "bitch", in the circles I run in, it's quite common, take the usage in Avril Lavigne's song "Smile" for example. That being said, I see bitch as being edgy, a modern woman with personality, whereas the term lady just conjures images of feminine stereotypes and helplessness of yesteryear, rather than strength and independence. I will not respond to this further, I just wanted to point out the issue with the outmoded term lady, in hopes we can all as a team work together to make VGS a welcoming place for all. The lack of self-awareness in these posts is honestly staggering. If you've said something misogynistic, the correct response is to apologize, learn from your error, and make an effort not to repeat the mistake. But doubling-down to defend your offensive comment proves that you care, not about respecting women, but about being right. It takes a strong individual to admit when they're wrong. It's something I'm actively working to improve on myself, and I suggest you do the same moving forward. [T-Pac] 2 1 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart010 | 1,707 Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 Using the b word is distasteful. But in my opinion it is still acceptable usage to apply to individuals that deserve it. It should not be used to categorically label the whole female gender or even any large group of people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kguillemette | 1,545 Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 Okay... Back on topic, Kaboom for 5200 is pretty spectacular. Almost bought a CIB for the laughs a little while back. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fcgamer | 4,729 Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 I did some investigating, there have been 55 instances of the word "bitches" being used on VGS thus far, actually this will be the 56th instance since the word is in this post. A lot of the instances have been used to refer to the VGS gang collectively in a more familial way, many instances were used in the Werewolf game, a few instances were used to seemingly reference women, and a few were in the context of sons of bitches, and a few usages were to reference the homebrew game Slappin Bitches, no idea where the name for that comes from as the game itself (I just looked it up) certainly doesn't seem to match what the game's name would have one imagine. I backed up copies of the instances, should someone feel inclined to go back and edit their post. I guess my point is as follows, although the intention wasn't there, I now personally feel as though I am being viewed as the VGS misogynist, something that is (A) not true, and furthermore (B) a bit unfair given that things such as "banging fine-ass bitches", "screw those jumping guys and those chalk writing bitches", "PS2 and 360 were like my side bitches", and "Metroid fans are some whiny bitches" all seem to get a pass, with three of the instances conjuring up references to women. I've been working hard to try to foster good relations here on VGS in the recent times, and then this train wreck comes up. I feel the need to vindicate myself here. Now back to the artwork. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captmorgandrinker | 1,649 Administrator · Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 On 11/9/2023 at 9:42 PM, fox said: The coolest kid you knew in the 90s Chris Kattan FTW! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RH | 4,918 Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 12 hours ago, Kguillemette said: Okay... Back on topic, Kaboom for 5200 is pretty spectacular. Almost bought a CIB for the laughs a little while back. I found a lot of CIB 5200 games randomly at my local Salvation Army about 4 years ago. I never sold them but I never care to collect them either. This Kaboom! was in the lot. I loved the art too. If you are interested in this game (or all of them), feel free to DM me. We can work out a reasonable deal. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kguillemette | 1,545 Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 On 11/12/2023 at 2:47 PM, RH said: I found a lot of CIB 5200 games randomly at my local Salvation Army about 4 years ago. I never sold them but I never care to collect them either. This Kaboom! was in the lot. I loved the art too. If you are interested in this game (or all of them), feel free to DM me. We can work out a reasonable deal. It was still there and wound up being only a couple bucks on a black friday sale. It's been on the shelf for close to 2 years since I started visiting the store but I finally gave it a new home. Cracks me up every time I look at it! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackVega | 583 Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 7 minutes ago, Kguillemette said: It was still there and wound up being only a couple bucks on a black friday sale. It's been on the shelf for close to 2 years since I started visiting the store but I finally gave it a new home. Cracks me up every time I look at it! Kaboom with Bluto. What's wrong with that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray | 2,449 Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 On 11/12/2023 at 12:01 AM, fcgamer said: I backed up copies of the instances, should someone feel inclined to go back and edit their post. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDIRunner | 2,744 Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 On 11/12/2023 at 1:47 PM, RH said: I found a lot of CIB 5200 games randomly at my local Salvation Army about 4 years ago. I never sold them but I never care to collect them either. Many years ago, I picked up a huge lot of CIB Atari 5200 games, and the boxes were in absolute perfect condition. It came from a lot of games turned into a pawn shop after someone died. To this day, I don't really have much of a desire to keep them, but I also can't bring myself to get rid of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbd39 | 2,025 Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 On 11/9/2023 at 7:11 PM, Rhuno said: UFO, shark, flying robot, techno spider, Johnny Retro and a thumbs up. What's not to love here? There's even a baseball cap, sunglasses and mullet combo. It doesn't get any better than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesRobot | 5,806 Events Team · Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 Pretty sure Ball Street Kid qualifies. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray | 2,449 Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackVega | 583 Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 15 hours ago, JamesRobot said: Pretty sure Ball Street Kid qualifies. Is this another one of those inside jokes again?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulpa | 3,516 Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 6 hours ago, BlackVega said: Is this another one of those inside jokes again?? You've never played Ball Street Kid? Dude, you're missing out! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesRobot | 5,806 Events Team · Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 Yeah man, totaly legit. Starring Party Hat @Murray as the title character. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RH | 4,918 Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 On 12/1/2023 at 12:28 PM, mbd39 said: There's even a baseball cap, sunglasses and mullet combo. It doesn't get any better than that. Well, IMHO, it could use a bit more Countach. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesRobot | 5,806 Events Team · Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 10 hours ago, RH said: Well, IMHO, it could use a bit more Countach. Couldn't agree more. Better than the original. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RH | 4,918 Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 7 hours ago, JamesRobot said: Couldn't agree more. Better than the original. It’s a good box on its own but I’m not compelled to buy it by the art alone. But if that was the legit box, I 100% would want to have it. This is NES box art perfection. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RH | 4,918 Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 While making a return for my wife to Etsy for Christmas, I stumbled upon this seller who offers a few of these. I'm torn by the mash-up, but I love the art and idea of it. The seller also has a case for Klonoa and Majora's Mask. https://www.etsy.com/listing/1572772891 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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