NES.God | 2 Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 (edited) Hello, I just recently started selling a few items and got into a discussion with someone about 5 screw variants. I have a copy of Klashball which perhaps shouldn't exist as a 5 screw cartridge. I did make a post on NA about it, but I guess that site is gone now, I believe the general consensus was that this must be a repair or refurbishment. Anyways are there any comps to this for pricing? Or if anyone has any more information on my cartridge that would be very welcomed! Edited December 3, 2021 by NES.God 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a3quit4s | 4,370 Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 (edited) Any chance we can see the back sticker and the board? I’m not sure if it’s the angle but the front sticker locks odd at the top left. I’m also not sure if the lighting or something is throwing me off but that label looks wrong. I’m going to agree with a rehousing job. Edited December 3, 2021 by a3quit4s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Code Monkey | 2,147 Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 That label was removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NES.God | 2 Posted December 3, 2021 Author Share Posted December 3, 2021 (edited) Added a picture of the back. I will add PCB and another picture tomorrow You say the label was removed, Can you tell me how or why someone would have done this? This item has been in my collection for over 20 years and wasnt purchased as a variant. Edited December 3, 2021 by NES.God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Code Monkey | 2,147 Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 2 hours ago, NES.God said: Added a picture of the back. I will add PCB and other another picture tomorrow You say the label was removed, Can you tell me how or why someone would have done this? This item has been in my collection for over 20 years and wasnt purchased as a variant. So they can laugh when the buyer posts pictures of it on an internet forum bragging about it. Hypothetically. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NES.God | 2 Posted December 3, 2021 Author Share Posted December 3, 2021 5 minutes ago, Code Monkey said: So they can laugh when the buyer posts pictures of it on an internet forum bragging about it. Hypothetically. While I can see how that might be the case now, I doubt that was happening 20 years ago when no one (myself included) cared or knew much about 5 screw carts. My question should have been Is there any legitimate reason this could have been re-cased? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Code Monkey | 2,147 Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 1 minute ago, NES.God said: While I can see how that might be the case now, I doubt that was happening 20 years ago when no one (myself included) cared or knew much about 5 screw carts. My question should have been Is there any legitimate reason this could have been re-cased? As a more serious reply, I actually agree with you, it's very unlikely this would have been done 20 years ago. It is possible the label only appears to have been removed and this is actually a legitimate cartridge but opening it up and looking at the board will tell us that right away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foochie776 | 1,070 Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 If this does prove to be authentic it’s kind of odd because most (if not all of these) oddball 5 screw carts are missing the back label. Also most are Konami Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NES.God | 2 Posted December 3, 2021 Author Share Posted December 3, 2021 (edited) Added more pictures including the PCB. I think I have taken decent pictures of the label damage. I am no expert so feel free to tell me anything. I should add that it did have security screws. Edited December 3, 2021 by NES.God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a3quit4s | 4,370 Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 (edited) Well the board is legit despite having slightly different chips than what’s listed on bootgod but it’s still been re-housed to a 5 screw for whatever reason. Likely cartridge damage. Edited December 3, 2021 by a3quit4s 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone3969 | 316 Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 So what's the estimated value? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammerfestus | 4,107 Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 It would be weird for someone to have done that 20 years ago. I wonder what that could possibly mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWunderful | 2,932 Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 The label looks like its been re-applied to me too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePhleo | 2,273 Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 Virtually a zero chance it ever came assembled like that from the factory. This is *years* after the transition from 5-screw to 3-screw. I have a hard time accepting R.C. Pro-Am as a legitimate 5-screw release and that has three known confirmed cartridges. Anything is possible, but this is out of the scope of reality and with a label in that shape I have a hard time believing it can be factory original. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NES.God | 2 Posted December 3, 2021 Author Share Posted December 3, 2021 (edited) 50 minutes ago, ThePhleo said: Virtually a zero chance it ever came assembled like that from the factory. This is *years* after the transition from 5-screw to 3-screw. I am not expecting this to be a valuable game. I got this game in a large lot of games around 2000, and I can accept that it likely did not come from the factory like this. It just doesn't make any sense for this game to be assembled like it is. Is/was it feasible to pull off a label and stick it onto another cartridge relatively neatly? Or would this have been done as an official repair. Edited December 3, 2021 by NES.God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RH | 5,227 Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 There is a chance someone really, really liked this game, the case was cracked/damaged, so they ripped it to shreds to get the board out, then took a cheap 5-screw game and put it in there AND transferred the label with a hot gun. 5-screws don't use security bits (which I'm sure you all know) so maybe it was a homemade repair job as a labor of love? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NES.God | 2 Posted December 3, 2021 Author Share Posted December 3, 2021 (edited) 37 minutes ago, RH said: maybe it was a homemade repair job I suppose it could be a very early collector restoration. Everyone seems to be saying moving labels isn't that hard. Edited December 3, 2021 by NES.God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePhleo | 2,273 Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 Wait a minute are you *the* NES God!? I have so many questions about Sachen if that’s the case…starting with do you have anymore Sachen Cases… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NES.God | 2 Posted December 3, 2021 Author Share Posted December 3, 2021 10 minutes ago, ThePhleo said: do you have anymore Sachen Cases a case of Sachens? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePhleo | 2,273 Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 39 minutes ago, NES.God said: a case of Sachens? !!! Yes that !!! What do I need to do, to get it. I’ll say your Klashball is a totally legit variant and we all need to rush to find one All seriousness, that thing is my white whale. That, and a Myriad 6 in 1 box and cart to go with my manual. In regards to the topic, I can probably figure out a way to demonstrate how to transfer a label. But then everyone will know how to do it. It can be done relatively easy if you know how, with skill it can be undetectable too. and that’s all I’ll say on the subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitarzombie | 936 Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 4 hours ago, NES.God said: I am not expecting this to be a valuable game. I got this game in a large lot of games around 2000, and I can accept that it likely did not come from the factory like this. It just doesn't make any sense for this game to be assembled like it is. Is/was it feasible to pull off a label and stick it onto another cartridge relatively neatly? Or would this have been done as an official repair. Sometimes people do weird things. Someone (as im positive was fake) tried to pull off a 5 screw MTPO with a famicom converter, even though every famicom converter fits perfectly with the middle NES screw and MTPO is too big, so you cant even screw in the middle screw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NES.God | 2 Posted December 3, 2021 Author Share Posted December 3, 2021 Appreciate all the information. I will make note that this is one of a kind fan art. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdStrongestMole | 443 Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 On 12/3/2021 at 9:02 AM, Foochie776 said: If this does prove to be authentic it’s kind of odd because most (if not all of these) oddball 5 screw carts are missing the back label. Also most are Konami Yes. This tends to be a Konami/Ultra oddity only, so the back label here isn't surprising since it wouldn't be a Konami referb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdStrongestMole | 443 Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 I mean, it could easily be a refurb. There's a long discussion about things like this in the variant thread, but left over 5 screw shells used for repair seem to be a real thing. I wouldn't discount it as such, and probably makes at least as much sense as a collector swapping the label. It wouldn't have been done by a machine at a repair center, hence the janky look. Most konami/ultra 5 screws have peeling labels and it's not because of someone transferring labels in their garage (at least, it wouldn't have been 5 years ago). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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