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[JamesRobot | 5,860]

7 hours ago, OptOut said:

We do, yeah. And it's CRUMPETS, not strumpets! 

This is a crumpet:

THIS is a strumpet:

I prefer strumpets with my tea.  Oh, and those other things are English muffins over here.  Honestly never knew what a crumpet was.

[fcgamer | 4,802]

6 minutes ago, JamesRobot said:

I prefer strumpets with my tea.  Oh, and those other things are English muffins over here.  Honestly never knew what a crumpet was.

Crumpets are English muffins? Crumpets suck then, definitely taking strumpets out of the two, but krimpets ftw

[JamesRobot | 5,860]

4 minutes ago, fcgamer said:

Crumpets are English muffins? Crumpets suck then, definitely taking strumpets out of the two, but krimpets ftw

Wtf is a krimpet?

[fcgamer | 4,802]

46 minutes ago, drxandy said:

Anyone who belittles or tries to make it seem like one person's choice to not spend their money with a company that has poor morals or ethics is part of the problem.

This is not a point to make to belittle someone into believing the way you do. You will not change people's minds with your thinly veiled sarcasm and better than others attitude.

Keep looking for a fight and that little pang of excitement you get from each post attempting to insult people's ethical choices. 

In my opinion, where do we begin though, what problem do we tackle first? If I put on a t-shirt and then see it's made in Bangladesh, a week later see a garment factory over there burns down, XYZ people die, and then what? I don't even need to look up articles to know the type of abuses experienced over there in the factories, I see South East Asians every day being more or less exploited, for their labour.

Then we have a whole other batch of situations regarding the rights to abortions or not, police brutality, etc. What about animal abuse, child abuse, prejudice towards elderly? 

I mean, anyone here dare to try to prioritise these issues from most concerning to least concerning? 

Thing is, if someone took the time, I'm sure we could find some abuse or problem at just about any business , company, etc. Literally every one. 

[fcgamer | 4,802]

1 minute ago, JamesRobot said:

Wtf is a krimpet?

From Tasty Cake, butterscotch flavoured. The best, imo, sponge cake.

[Link | 2,811]

2 hours ago, Rhino said:

didn't have to look far at all. Looks like no more shopping at Aldi's brotato chip unless you want to support worker abuse and the cartel. 

So the cartel took advantage of their supply chain without them knowing it and they responded? Not losing sleep. Worker conditions may be concerning, but what’s reported there is hardly widespread. 

2 hours ago, Rhino said:

Best buy discriminates. 2/2 so far.

2/3 considering you skipped one, but ok. A lawsuit 15 years ago, again there is some unfortunate incident but that’s reaching. And this article talks more about Walmart, whose issues are ongoing. 

2 hours ago, Rhino said:

Chewy.com was sold to PetSmart in 2017. PetSmart is cruel to animals. No more buying from chewy unless you support animal cruelty.

I’m admittedly a little skeeved out by them, but I could not find any local stores that carry the prescription food my cat needs. There was one vet that had it, but they only sell to their clients. Anyway my cat turns 20 years old in six weeks, so presumably I won’t need their service very much longer, although she’s doing pretty damn good. 

2 hours ago, Rhino said:

brotato chip

2 hours ago, Rhino said:

You're hilarious man. 

You can chill on the personal insults while you try to compile the rest of the 80%.

[drxandy | 3,253]

43 minutes ago, fcgamer said:

In my opinion, where do we begin though, what problem do we tackle first? If I put on a t-shirt and then see it's made in Bangladesh, a week later see a garment factory over there burns down, XYZ people die, and then what? I don't even need to look up articles to know the type of abuses experienced over there in the factories, I see South East Asians every day being more or less exploited, for their labour.

Then we have a whole other batch of situations regarding the rights to abortions or not, police brutality, etc. What about animal abuse, child abuse, prejudice towards elderly? 

I mean, anyone here dare to try to prioritise these issues from most concerning to least concerning? 

Thing is, if someone took the time, I'm sure we could find some abuse or problem at just about any business , company, etc. Literally every one. 

It isn't about prioritizing, it's about the actions we make every day.

Every choice made has impact, the less people think about this the more we become complacent and accept that our actions are too small to change anything. If people would decide to take control of their lives and think more about things rather than have them spoon fed to them we might get there. I am not saying I haven't slipped and bought unethical things.. frankly I probably will again by ignorance or accident(due to brands buying their competition and throwing them under their umbrella). No one is perfect, we all have plenty of learning moments. Once you learn though, it's hard to support a company that cares more about money than their workers... Well, I would hope it would be..

[fcgamer | 4,802]

7 minutes ago, drxandy said:

It isn't about prioritizing, it's about the actions we make every day.

Every choice made has impact, the less people think about this the more we become complacent and accept that our actions are too small to change anything. If people would decide to take control of their lives and think more about things rather than have them spoon fed to them we might get there. I am not saying I haven't slipped and bought unethical things.. frankly I probably will again by ignorance or accident(due to brands buying their competition and throwing them under their umbrella). No one is perfect, we all have plenty of learning moments. Once you learn though, it's hard to support a company that cares more about money than their workers... Well, I would hope it would be..

Right, but it's almost every company out there. Take off your clothes, post some "made in" tags, let's be the judge.

As OptOut said , in jest, even we are using technology as we post here,  and look at the manufacturing process, the bits inside and how they're made, etc.

As a whole, I prefer to buy locally, support local and small businesses, local musicians, local farmers, etc. But yeah if we want to be honest about it , almost no large businesses have squeaky clean hands. 

[drxandy | 3,253]

Just now, fcgamer said:

Right, but it's almost every company out there. Take off your clothes, post some "made in" tags, let's be the judge.

As OptOut said , in jest, even we are using technology as we post here,  and look at the manufacturing process, the bits inside and how they're made, etc.

As a whole, I prefer to buy locally, support local and small businesses, local musicians, local farmers, etc. But yeah if we want to be honest about it , almost no large businesses have squeaky clean hands. 

 

Yeah, no. Stranger danger. I'm not playing this game. My clothes are staying on!

[OptOut | 8,898]

I think I've finally figured out what happened:

[Rhino | 105]

31 minutes ago, Link said:

So the cartel took advantage of their supply chain without them knowing it and they responded? Not losing sleep. Worker conditions may be concerning, but what’s reported there is hardly widespread. 

2/3 considering you skipped one, but ok. A lawsuit 15 years ago, again there is some unfortunate incident but that’s reaching. And this article talks more about Walmart, whose issues are ongoing. 

I’m admittedly a little skeeved out by them, but I could not find any local stores that carry the prescription food my cat needs. There was one vet that had it, but they only sell to their clients. Anyway my cat turns 20 years old in six weeks, so presumably I won’t need their service very much longer, although she’s doing pretty damn good. 

You can chill on the personal insults while you try to compile the rest of the 80%.

There you go. You just dismissed evidence of mistreatment of people and animals so that you can justify continuing to shop as these places. You're picking and choosing which issues get a pass and which can't. That makes you a giant hypocrite. You're like everyone else. It seems to me that the real reason why you don't shop at places anymore or support them isn't because they mistreat people or animals, but because their agenda doesn't fit yours. You can't be a truly woke SJW if you pick and choose. It's all or nothing brofessor. You have to boycott all establishments with bad or sketchy practices. You don't get to pick and choose. It all falls apart once you pick and choose. You are no better than anyone else. Get off your high horse. 

You think those were bad insults? You should check out the rest of the internet. I'm being very tame buddy ole pal. I've skipped the Al's one for now because when I search for it most of the results are for ALS. 

[Link | 2,811]

I’d like to point out that nobody in here went on a crusade “everybody should boycott Chik Fil A”. The conversation went in a way that some people expressed they personally choose not to patronize them because of their practices. 

Sure, everybody’s an asshole. I try to find the people (companies) that are less asshole than others. Like I go to the small hardware store first, and if they don’t have the thing I want, I’ll prefer to go to Menard’s instead of Home Depot. 

When you say everybody’s an asshole therefore it doesn’t matter what anybody does, that’s logic I don’t go along with. Just because you don’t want to put effort into making spending decisions based on ethics doesn’t mean I shouldn’t. And it’s not like this never goes the other way. 

[Gloves | 11,983]

Just now, Link said:

Sure, everybody’s an asshole.

Damn bro, ouch. I didn't think I was gonna be attacked this morning.

[Rhino | 105]

1 hour ago, fcgamer said:

In my opinion, where do we begin though, what problem do we tackle first? If I put on a t-shirt and then see it's made in Bangladesh, a week later see a garment factory over there burns down, XYZ people die, and then what? I don't even need to look up articles to know the type of abuses experienced over there in the factories, I see South East Asians every day being more or less exploited, for their labour.

Then we have a whole other batch of situations regarding the rights to abortions or not, police brutality, etc. What about animal abuse, child abuse, prejudice towards elderly? 

I mean, anyone here dare to try to prioritise these issues from most concerning to least concerning? 

Thing is, if someone took the time, I'm sure we could find some abuse or problem at just about any business , company, etc. Literally every one. 

It's really hard to rank issues because what's a big issue to one person isn't that big to others. Animal abuse is a good example. Some people who are dog or cat lovers value their pets' lives more than human lives, but for a majority of people, they probably value human life over animal life. 

If you truly want to make a change, become an elected official in whatever capacity you can, get involved with your community by volunteering, going to rallies, educating yourself, etc. Work on the issues you think are important first. Whining and arguing about this stuff on a video game internet forum isn't going to do anything. Get involved if you want to make a change. Stop whining about it and go do something (I'm not singling you out btw. I'm generalizing what I've seen in this thread and irl. "You" is a general you referring to everyone.) 

[Link | 2,811]

4 minutes ago, Rhino said:

You can't be a truly woke SJW

I have never claimed to be such. 

6 minutes ago, Rhino said:

There you go. You just dismissed evidence of mistreatment of people and animals so that you can justify continuing to shop as these places. You're picking and choosing which issues get a pass and which can't. That makes you a giant hypocrite. You're like everyone else. It seems to me that the real reason why you don't shop at places anymore or support them isn't because they mistreat people or animals, but because their agenda doesn't fit yours.

What, pray tell, is my agenda? 

Are you saying you do not dismiss mistreatment? Or are you in fact the one who is a giant hypocrite? 

8 minutes ago, Rhino said:

You have to boycott all establishments with bad or sketchy practices. You don't get to pick and choose. It all falls apart once you pick and choose. You are no better than anyone else. Get off your high horse. 

Seems like you’re the one who’s playing holier-than-thou. 

9 minutes ago, Rhino said:

You should check out the rest of the internet. I'm being very tame buddy ole pal.

OK tough guy. I don’t know what it is you’re trying to prove, but you’re obviously upset about something. Have a Snickers.

[OptOut | 8,898]

1 minute ago, Rhino said:

There you go. You just dismissed evidence of mistreatment of people and animals so that you can justify continuing to shop as these places. You're picking and choosing which issues get a pass and which can't. That makes you a giant hypocrite. You're like everyone else. It seems to me that the real reason why you don't shop at places anymore or support them isn't because they mistreat people or animals, but because their agenda doesn't fit yours. You can't be a truly woke SJW if you pick and choose. It's all or nothing brofessor. You have to boycott all establishments with bad or sketchy practices. You don't get to pick and choose. It all falls apart once you pick and choose. You are no better than anyone else. Get off your high horse. 

You think those were bad insults? You should check out the rest of the internet. I'm being very tame buddy ole pal. I've skipped the Al's one for now because when I search for it most of the results are for ALS. 

 

I think you have inadvertently tipped your hand as to why people get so incensed by supposed "social justice warrioring": It's not really about the issues, it's about the people and the attitude.

If you get angry when you see these SJWs thinking they're better than you, you gotta ask yourself why that is bro? Are you angry because people who are not better than you are saying they are better than you? OR are you secretly worried that they ARE in fact better than you?

I don't think that SJWs are better than me, and it doesn't bother me to let them carry on. Sometimes I even learn a thing or two. But if you just can't stand to even listen for just a bit to what they have to say, well maybe that's something you need to confront within yourself first dude...

I dunno, just the way you said that, I just saw right through you for a second.

[Rhino | 105]

9 minutes ago, Link said:

I’d like to point out that nobody in here went on a crusade “everybody should boycott Chik Fil A”. The conversation went in a way that some people expressed they personally choose not to patronize them because of their practices. 

Sure, everybody’s an asshole. I try to find the people (companies) that are less asshole than others. Like I go to the small hardware store first, and if they don’t have the thing I want, I’ll prefer to go to Menard’s instead of Home Depot. 

When you say everybody’s an asshole therefore it doesn’t matter what anybody does, that’s logic I don’t go along with. Just because you don’t want to put effort into making spending decisions based on ethics doesn’t mean I shouldn’t. And it’s not like this never goes the other way. 

That's basically the same thing. People won't eat at chick fil a either because they're a Christian owned restaurant or because CFA doesn't support the lgbtq+ community. They're boycotting them because their beliefs don't match chick fil A's. The everybody should boycott CFA crusade happened years ago and actually backfired. They had much more business after that. 

At least you're trying. You're boycotting more than one place. I'm trying to get at that it's funny you boycott one but not the other. It just seems very odd to me. Why all the effort to avoid one but not the other even though they both have issues? At that point you either should boycott everything with any issue or be okay with the issues and shop wherever. The picking and choosing has always confused me. 

[Rhino | 105]

6 minutes ago, Link said:

I have never claimed to be such. 

What, pray tell, is my agenda? 

Are you saying you do not dismiss mistreatment? Or are you in fact the one who is a giant hypocrite? 

Seems like you’re the one who’s playing holier-than-thou. 

OK tough guy. I don’t know what it is you’re trying to prove, but you’re obviously upset about something. Have a Snickers.

I'm not belittling people and making them feel like sh!t because they shop at a certain place. I don't care where you shop. That's what SJWs do though and why people are so annoyed by them. They're not better than everyone else. They sure do think they are though and love to rag on you and make you feel like a 2nd rate human if God forbid you eat a chicken sandwich from a Christian restaurant. Oh the horror!!! You're such an evil person. How dare you eat there. All the while the SJW is wearing their Nikes which were made in a child labor sweatshop. The hypocrisy is hilarious. 

[Link | 2,811]

2 minutes ago, Rhino said:

If you truly want to make a change, become an elected official in whatever capacity you can, get involved with your community by volunteering, going to rallies, educating yourself, etc. Work on the issues you think are important first. Whining and arguing about this stuff on a video game internet forum isn't going to do anything. Get involved if you want to make a change. Stop whining about it and go do something

And... what exactly is it that you go do?

I am involved in my local community. I work with organizations for positive change. I’ve gone to rallies and held signs and walked in anti-violence marches and made donations (believe I’ve mentioned ITT earlier). I don’t have the capacity to run for office, but if you think I don’t act IRL you’re quite mistaken. Part of my action is choosing where to allocate my resources (money) in ways that are as ethical as I can, with a view to what a company does at large with funds they control. Demanding that I be 100% perfect in that because I do something is not your right. No, it is not all or nothing.

[Link | 2,811]

2 minutes ago, Rhino said:

I'm not belittling people and making them feel like sh!t because they shop at a certain place. I don't care where you shop. That's what SJWs do though and why people are so annoyed by them. They're not better than everyone else. They sure do think they are though and love to rag on you and make you feel like a 2nd rate human if God forbid you eat a chicken sandwich from a Christian restaurant. Oh the horror!!! You're such an evil person. How dare you eat there. All the while the SJW is wearing their Nikes which were made in a child labor sweatshop. The hypocrisy is hilarious. 

I did none of that so you can lay the fuck off.

And as also previously mentioned ITT, I don’t wear Nikes. 

[Rhino | 105]

7 minutes ago, OptOut said:

 

I think you have inadvertently tipped your hand as to why people get so incensed by supposed "social justice warrioring": It's not really about the issues, it's about the people and the attitude.

If you get angry when you see these SJWs thinking they're better than you, you gotta ask yourself why that is bro? Are you angry because people who are not better than you are saying they are better than you? OR are you secretly worried that they ARE in fact better than you?

I don't think that SJWs are better than me, and it doesn't bother me to let them carry on. Sometimes I even learn a thing or two. But if you just can't stand to even listen for just a bit to what they have to say, well maybe that's something you need to confront within yourself first dude...

I dunno, just the way you said that, I just saw right through you for a second.

I will listen to anyone about any issue and fully hear them out. I will also do my homework and make my own informed decisions and opinions. See my other post for the problem I have with SJWs. It's the holier than thou mentality and the hypocrisy many of them have when they fight one issue but are okay with others. You can't be onboard with the BLM AND be okay with violence against police. It just doesn't make sense. They're both people being attacked but you only support one group (right now, until it's a cool SJW issue to fight for cop protection). 

[Rhino | 105]

3 minutes ago, Link said:

And... what exactly is it that you go do?

I am involved in my local community. I work with organizations for positive change. I’ve gone to rallies and held signs and walked in anti-violence marches and made donations (believe I’ve mentioned ITT earlier). I don’t have the capacity to run for office, but if you think I don’t act IRL you’re quite mistaken. Part of my action is choosing where to allocate my resources (money) in ways that are as ethical as I can, with a view to what a company does at large with funds they control. Demanding that I be 100% perfect in that because I do something is not your right. No, it is not all or nothing.

You're actually getting out there. I applaud you for that. You actually walk the walk and talk the talk. You're not like a lot of other people who are all talk and don't get out there to make change. 

[Rhino | 105]

2 minutes ago, Link said:

I did none of that so you can lay the fuck off.

And as also previously mentioned ITT, I don’t wear Nikes. 

Sorry, I'm not referring to you per-say. It's a generic "you" meant for anyone.

[drxandy | 3,253]

I really like how certain groups of people keep throwing around catch phrases like sjw, cancel culture, etc

I like to think for myself, so using these terms is like a big red flag to me of a persons character.

[Rhino | 105]

Just now, drxandy said:

I really like how certain groups of people keep throwing around catch phrases like sjw, cancel culture, etc

I like to think for myself, so using these terms is like a big red flag to me of a persons character.

Which groups?