Makar | 2,020 Posted September 16, 2020 Author Share Posted September 16, 2020 1 minute ago, tidaldreams said: I didn't check my 3DS because it was a bit tight getting in so I didn't want to put it in all the way. Well that was super weird. So I tested all 3 on my New 3DS XL. The fake Digimon World DS and super robot taisen og saga both worked. Both were extremely hard to get out of my 3DS. They were jammed stuck. However, my fake age of empires mythologies came up as Pokemon HeartGold then gave me a weird error when I tried to play it. Age of empires mythologies was easy to get out of my 3DS though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makar | 2,020 Posted September 16, 2020 Author Share Posted September 16, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Tanooki said: Makar the system you just loaded that game up onto is a DSLite, I said DSi. Or did you load up the wrong proof images? I've never known a boot to work on a DSi, lite definitely does. DOH! big brain fart lol. That is a DS lite duhhhh Makar duhhhhhh! So a DSi can catch these but not a 3DS? Edited September 16, 2020 by Makar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tidaldreams | 654 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 (edited) Here's some pics of a fake HeartGold working in a non-hacked DSi XL. You're gonna have to trust me that it's the fake cart that's in there lol. I am unfortunately unwilling to put it in a 3DS because it is a really tight fit and I don't want it to get stuck. So I guess in conclusion, you should use some of the other methods to determine if the cart is fake. Edited September 16, 2020 by tidaldreams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sceptios | 9 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 (edited) If a game doesn't appear on the DSi/3DS menu or it errors on boot, it's fake (or I guess the connection between the cart and system could be bad.) But many fakes boot fine, especially these days. The DSi/3DS has a built in DS cart whitelist. The system will block any cart with a title (the 4 letter code) that's not in the whitelist. This whitelist was last updated in 3DS update 7.0.0 way back in 2013. To get around the whitelist, many fake carts steal a header from a legit game. Modern DS flashcarts use the same trick. This is also why fake games often have an icon that doesn't match the game inside. If you were to crack one of these mismatched fakes open, there's a good chance you'll find an SD card inside with the game ROM loaded on it. So in short: - Icon doesn't show = Either FAKE or a connection problem - Game errors on boot = Either FAKE or a connection problem - Icon and game don't match = Definitely FAKE If it passes all three of those checks, keep looking for other clues. Oh, and current DSi and 3DS custom firmwares usually disable the whitelist check, so make sure to test with a non-hacked system. Edit: I also want to add that checking for the Pokewalker option in Pokemon HGSS is not a definitive fake check. This is HG running on a flashcart, so it's 100% fake, yet it still has the Pokewalker option. Edited September 16, 2020 by sceptios Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tidaldreams | 654 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 32 minutes ago, sceptios said: If a game doesn't appear on the DSi/3DS menu or it errors on boot, it's fake (or I guess the connection between the cart and system could be bad.) But many fakes boot fine, especially these days. The DSi/3DS has a built in DS cart whitelist. The system will block any cart with a title (the 4 letter code) that's not in the whitelist. This whitelist was last updated in 3DS update 7.0.0 way back in 2013. To get around the whitelist, many fake carts steal a header from a legit game. Modern DS flashcarts use the same trick. This is also why fake games often have an icon that doesn't match the game inside. If you were to crack one of these mismatched fakes open, there's a good chance you'll find an SD card inside with the game ROM loaded on it. So in short: - Icon doesn't show = Either FAKE or a connection problem - Game errors on boot = = Either FAKE or a connection problem - Icon and game don't match = Definitely FAKE If it passes all three of those checks, keep looking for other clues. Oh, and current DSi and 3DS custom firmwares usually disable the whitelist check, so make sure to test with a non-hacked system. Edit: I also want to add that checking for the Pokewalker option in Pokemon HGSS is not a definitive fake check. This is HG running on a flashcart, so it's 100% fake, yet it still has the Pokewalker option. Oh crap you're right. I didn't even notice this before. Could've sworn that check used to work. The fake cart definitely won't connect to the pokewalker though even with the option available. I'll edit my post. Your pic is broken btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sceptios | 9 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 Got the pic working. Firefox was doing something funky with my upload. Tried using Edge instead and it worked. Yeah, you definitely wouldn't be able to connect because there's no way anyone's going to the trouble of putting an IR port on a fake cart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncofantd793 | 138 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 This was very insightful. I'll be checking all my stuff. Even the flashlight trick. I'd never heard of that before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makar | 2,020 Posted September 16, 2020 Author Share Posted September 16, 2020 10 hours ago, broncofantd793 said: This was very insightful. I'll be checking all my stuff. Even the flashlight trick. I'd never heard of that before. Glad you found it to be helpful! The flashlight trick is pretty neat. Only works on those Pokemon games I mentioned though. Hopefully you don't find you have some fake games. And @sceptios thank you for your insight! The best way imo to determine if s cart is fake or not is still the 4 characters on the front label. If they don't match the first 4 characters on the back, it's a fake game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sceptios | 9 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 The flashlight trick actually does work on a few games besides Pokemon. Any DS game that has a built in IR port will have a dark see-through red shell. I haven't been able to find a complete listing of these games (there aren't very many), but Wikipedia does list two of the non-Pokemon ones. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_game_card#Infrared_support Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanooki | 4,972 Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 That stuff with pokemon I was aware of. As far as fakes booting on more recent ones I was not. I was going by just a few year old stuff and the DSi would refuse to pop it up in the menu so I'd know they were bs. I never tried to run a fake in a 3DS though from the DS era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makar | 2,020 Posted September 18, 2020 Author Share Posted September 18, 2020 (edited) Fyi, for those interested, I made a thread about how to spot fake GBA games. Link is in the first post in this thread and here too now. Edited September 19, 2020 by Makar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leonemesis | 44 Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 Great thread, thanks for sharing! Just checked all my games, they are all legit, thankfully. Also, I checked some of my japanese DS games and they also share the same traits listed in the thread (matching front-back numbers and rectangle on the top edge), so I reckon it also applies to PAL DS games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makar | 2,020 Posted September 19, 2020 Author Share Posted September 19, 2020 10 hours ago, leonemesis said: Great thread, thanks for sharing! Just checked all my games, they are all legit, thankfully. Also, I checked some of my japanese DS games and they also share the same traits listed in the thread (matching front-back numbers and rectangle on the top edge), so I reckon it also applies to PAL DS games. You're welcome! Glad to hear yours are all legit! I just checked my PAL Tingles Rosy Rupeeland and my Japanese Pokemon Diamond. They both have the matching characters and rectangles too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanooki | 4,972 Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Nothing is "legit" about that Tingle, nothing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makar | 2,020 Posted September 20, 2020 Author Share Posted September 20, 2020 12 minutes ago, Tanooki said: Nothing is "legit" about that Tingle, nothing. Lol, a game all about greed. Seems legit to me! In all seriousness, it is a really good game. One of my favorites on the DS for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
croagunk | 798 Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 Thanks for the info! This is very useful stuff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JVOSS | 1,762 Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 Thanks @Trifectafor pointing me to this topic. so i know this is a year old but still useful data. question dose it always hold true the little notch on the top are the real cart? question dose the ink on the back always stay on the cart mean it's real? or can the ink be rubbed off with 91% Isopropyl Alcohol (my preferred way of cleaning). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapaStu | 47 Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 10 hours ago, JVOSS said: Thanks @Trifectafor pointing me to this topic. so i know this is a year old but still useful data. question dose it always hold true the little notch on the top are the real cart? question dose the ink on the back always stay on the cart mean it's real? or can the ink be rubbed off with 91% Isopropyl Alcohol (my preferred way of cleaning). That ink can indeed be rubbed off as well as even lifted off by price stickers placed on the back of the carts. It's not a permanent ink by any means. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanooki | 4,972 Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 Alcohol just making contact with that ink on the rear lifts it off the cart, any motion over it at that rate wipes it off in one stroke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JVOSS | 1,762 Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 I had about 20 carts that needed cleaning and when cleaned the back of some the ink wiped off but about 5 did not what dose this mean if anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makar | 2,020 Posted December 24, 2021 Author Share Posted December 24, 2021 I have fixed all the pics on the home page as well as added another way to spot fake DS games 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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