Code Monkey

For the former, I have that figured out. For the latter, you're talking about 2 different things here .We're discussing the model providing an objective grading of the game but then you start talking about value. The model doesn't account for any sort of value, it specifically gives a grade and you can do what you want with it to determine value. The signature would detract from the grade (as it should) but when you look at an item to consider purchasing it, you can add value back for the signature if you wish to do so. Objectively, the model has done its job, separate from value.

I'm working on a machine learning computer vision model that will objectively grade games. It's the only true way and the future of grading in my opinion.

So when I list NES games, do I list Contra and Probotector as separate games in the long list? What about Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles? This could cause an on-screen list of NES games to have 677 entries or 2000.

I cannot.

Hammerin' Harry - Limited Run Games has a physical store location now.

I think you can open the game specific page and see all of the variants available and check those off individually as well. For Mike Tyson's Punch Out!! you can see Punch-Out as a variant and check it off. Same with 5 screw, though 3 screw would be the variant here.

This supports World Class Track Meet as a variant of Stadium Events.

Neither of these are quantitative in any measurable way. I need something I can objectively apply to any game.

I'm looking for objective, quantitative answers here. Saying something like, "No that doesn't count because it isn't different enough" isn't helpful because I can't use "different enough" in an algorithm across all games. I want one definitive answer that causes 2 games to be different in all categories. Here are some arguments to consider: The Legend Of Zelda: Ocarina Of Time version 1.0 / The Legend Of Zelda: Ocarina Of Time version 1.1 - the cartridges technically have different code on them but how different does it need to be? The Legend Of Zelda: Twilight Princess (Gamecube) / The Legend Of Zelda Twilight Princess (Wii) - these are on different consoles but still just the same game on disc. I think I did read somewhere that Link is left handed in one and right handed in the other. Contra / Probotector - both have different code, both on the same console, different title screens, different titles. Are they the same game? Super Mario Bros. (NES) / Super Mario Bros. (Famicom) - the first print was literally the Famicom game in a NES shell with a converter. You can't tell me these are different. World Class Track Meet / Stadium Events - same game just different title screen and different titles. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles / Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles - regional name change from North America to Asia. Just like the point above, different title screen and different title, are they different? One rule must apply to both scenarios. Mike Tyson's Punch Out!! / Punch-Out - same game except for title screen, title and end boss, what do you think? Ninja Gaiden / Shadow Warrior - regional name change between North America and Asia / Europe. Does it count? Final Fantasy III / Final Fantasy 6 - another regional name change from North America to Aisa Indiana Jones And The Last Crusade (Taito) / Indiana Jones And The Last Crusade (UBI Soft) - both have the same title, same box art, two completely different games. So what are the qualifiers for the game to be different? Different box art? Different title? Different console? Different title screen? Different game code?

$10,000 I think.

Unlicensed so retail is harder to define for those. Some games were mail order, some were special order, some ordered the game from a travelling salesman. Stadium Events was available on shelves, it's retail. I also believe The Flintstones: Surprise At Dinosaur Peak was available to all game stores, it's just Blockbuster that was still stocking NES games in 1994. Besides, the only sealed copy known to exist came from a different store.

My source is simply a vague recollection of someone on Nintendo Age saying they didn't. I couldn't even tell you details because I don't remember but that's the mystery behind the source and what prompted me to ask here.

I'm building a mobile collection tracker so I need to know the general consensus of how people will want them categorized. Right now, unless I have some sort of proof something was sold at retail, I need to classify it as not sold at retail. This doesn't change the argument if it was or not, I just have to make some sort of decision in the current moment based on the evidence I have.

I didn't do any research.......at all. I posted the question on a forum to discuss the topic, that's why we have a forum. I don't know what you're so upset about, I thought this discussion was going really well. Are you mad that someone else told me Sachen games weren't sold at retail? Okay.........why are you mad at me for them telling me that? I literally came here to validate it with you instead of just believing them so here I am, trying to discuss it with you to get your opinion on it. I would really like your feedback if you're willing to provide it. Are you mad I don't know what Digital Press is? Does everyone else here know what that is? I'm not sure why anyone would be upset about that. I'm looking for any establishment paying rent for an enclosed, lockable space safe from the elements for which they have signed a lease and are paying taxes on all sales. I would also expect they are getting their merchandise directly from the manufacturer and not from other retailers. If they purchase 150 games from a retailer going out of business, that doesn't count.

Very informative. I wonder if the version of Mega Man 3 prototype you used is the same one I have.

I didn't know this version existed and now I really want it.

I know Air Raid is more obscure than Sachen but many Atari 2600 collectors have Air Raid on their shelf and the general consensus is that the game never made it past the travelling salesman point. It was marketed to game stores but it doesn't appear like any stores ordered copies of it. There is one boxed example with a Tuesday Morning sticker on the front and people have traced the origins of this sticker back to a store in the area but they think it was an owner that got a demonstration copy and threw it in the bargain bin when he was done with it.

I have a hard time taking any publication seriously when they use the word "Famiclone" but the article mentions generic boxes with blank spaces to affix the labels. Any Sachen games I've seen have beautiful artwork on the boxes so is it possible they imported some sort of first print run or even different games?

Great. Please make your own thread, I have no interest in Little Samson at this time. Does anyone have any evidence Sachen released NES games at a retail store? I didn't ask about Game Boy, Famicom nor Little Samson, I'm wondering about 72 pin NES only.

Sure..........that's the definition of peak. If they didn't decrease in value, it wouldn't have been a peak. People here don't seem to realise why the values rose. Sure it had some to do with Covid but the real reason is the extra disposable income that arose from the Bitcoin halving. I've said this before, every 4 years Bitcoin goes through a halving process which causes miners to receive half of the amount of Bitcoin they did for the previous 4 years. This causes a scramble to purchase it and cryptocurrency explodes from all the purchasing, it happened in 2016, 2020 and it will happen again in 2024. Each time the halving occurred, Bitcoin jumped by a multiplier of about 2.5 which means next year when Bitcoin halves and makes another run, video game prices will once again explode and you'll see another 2 million dollar Mario game sale. If you want to guarantee a triple on your investment, put everything you can into Bitcoin for the next 1-2 years.

It wasn't robots.

Did either get a retail store release? I'm putting together a list of licensed NES games and I'm arguing the 677 number.

Cheetahmen II wasn't sold at retail but thousands of them exist. I've never heard of Crime Busters, what is it? Mah-Jong is packaged closely enough to other Asia releases and gives me enough evidence it was released along side those games at retail locations. Little Samson is licensed by Nintendo with packaging consistent with other retail releases. Sachen games are unlicensed and have stranger packaging / cartridges, none of which have been proven to be released at retail locations. I don't know what DP is and I have no idea to which fiasco you're referring. What's a Gluk game?

How do you know that for sure if you can't name one?