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According to Gaming Alexandria link that @Ankosposted: https://www.gamingalexandria.com/wp/2022/02/nintendo-family-basic-type-in-games/ When a consumer would mail in their version 1 carts to Nintendo, Nintendo would send them the version 2 carts as a replacement. This sounds like a thing Nintendo would do, but Gaming Alexandria didn’t provide any references. The website is still maintained so I’m sure we could ask them for more info. Anyhow, I’m sure that if this were the case, at least 1 out of 10 consumers would have participated (remember this is Japanese people, not Americans)

If anyone happens to have a bunch of Family Basic carts they could boot them up. I’m sure at least double digit percentages of the original carts got mailed in and replaced with the Version 2’s

This guy is reviewing the Family Basic program. He mentioned the cart came with a few applications including: -simple word processor -calculator -calendar doesnt seem like much, but then again computers back didn’t do nearly as much as they do today. Also some one in the video comments mentioned a bunch of programs being archived in the “Internet Archive” I am following up with them for a link

The fact that so many companies make Collectors editions of games would lead some to believe that video games are made to be collected. Wrong! Video were originally made to be played. The consumer began to collect video games. Then the industry took note of this change in consumer behavior and they catered to it. As a result, now we have Wata putting games in prison for life and even Nintendo making non-playable collectors editions of games such as Fire Emblem Shadow Dragon. This doesn’t change the fact that video games were initially intended to be played

Ok, since my points don’t seem to be taken seriously, I will restate them here comprehensively: 1. The product is called “Family Computer” (yes - @darkchylde28presented unverified information from an unidentified source that said it may have been planned to be called Gamecom, but what value is such information without some level of authentication?). Family computer implies it has different uses for different members of the family. For kids it has games. For adults, may have other purposes. 2. Failure to include a keyboard at launch doesn’t mean it’s not a computer. Lots of computers today don’t come with keyboards. At launch, maybe there was no software justification for including a keyboard. But they included an accessory port (which resembles a computer accessory port). And the eventual keyboard did connect to this. And as @darkchylde28referenced from the smart folks at NESDev, it is possible to engineer a custom RS232 communication cable for this port. 3. As many know, products are often rushed to market without the full feature set being ready on day one.. for example lots of video games are shipped incomplete only to get the full feature set and bugfixes pushed out at a later date. Today we have over the air updates, but in the past the way they did this is they would make things modular so that they could ship to future expansions. There is at least one piece of evidence that indicates Famicom may have been rushed out to market - the initial batch of systems had faulty chips in them and had to be recalled. It’s possible that computer-like features were planned to come after initial release. 4. The fact that computer-like features never came in the vastness we would expect for a computer product has no bearing on what the original intent for the product was. As indicated earlier, products often go to market but then are used by the consumer for a totally different reason than they were originally intended for. If Nintendo noticed that people seemed mostly interested in Famicom for playing video games, then naturally they would focus their attention on the video games aspect of it. 5. Famicom disk system doesn’t work in conjunction with Basic. Doesn’t matter. By the time that FDS was ready for release, they had already identified the target demographic for the product was people that want to play games. So it was not necessary at this point to make it work with Basic.. Again, it’s still a Family computer, people just aren’t using it for computing and because of this, Nintendo is no longer developing computer-like features for it

It’s funny how the captain leading the training is also the voice for the people in the simulation… including Brenda

Sorry for the confusion. But ya know… this is a video game discussion forum and our mascot is a purple wizard with video game buttons on his face…

Also, I am not married to my current opinion. I can change my mind if there’s better info available

I’ve already exhausted my thoughts on this. At this point any responses I might have would be reiterating things I’ve already said previously. I can respect your passion, but I disagree with your points. I am happy enough knowing that all of your thoughts on the topic as well as mine have been expressed.

Yea it seems stuff gets used for other than it’s intended purpose and then the industry adapts to be more in line with the market: Warning this ad (hidden below) is VERY politically incorrect by todays standards. I was almost going to not post it, but it’s almost unbelievable until you actually see it. We can learn from history… If you choose to unhide, please don’t yap at me.

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These “inflammatory ideas”…. some would call it comedy. If you don’t see it that way, just remember who’s posting. Where are all the Family Basic homebrews?

Thank you for your contributions to this discussion. I value you info and I’m sure others here do too

Had I not trolled, maybe you would have never presented us with such valuable information

This device does not come with a keyboard. Therefore it is not a computer.

While we’re still on this topic, has anyone noticed that Gameboy Advance isn’t actually a new system. It’s just a Gameboy

An important thing that makes it a computer is the serial/accessory port. This makes it modular for use with all kinds of accessories. Even if the keyboard wasn’t available on day one, the inherent modularity always left the door open for more peripherals in the future. You can say it’s just the same as a controller port, but the NES controller port is like a kids toy connector made to survive getting chewed on by dogs and spaghetti sauce spills. The Famicom connector resembles a PC’s external device connection port

There’s a whole bunch of different aspects to the field of product marketing. Blast processing would be considered an advertised feature and best Doom ever is like a slogan or statement. The specific type of marketing we are referring to as it relates to this discussion is called “product positioning” or “product framing.” Basically, if you bring a product to market, consumers will formulate their own opinions about what role it fulfills. You don’t have control of what ideas they come up with and that’s bad because they may come up with unfavorable ideas about your product. However, with sufficient product positioning or framing, you can create the ideas and beliefs about the product for the consumer.

For reference, here is a GB/GBC black cart game. When played on Gameboy Color, Megaman is blue and Zero is red. Pikachu is clearly not yellow. Therefore it’s not GBC. I rest my case

I always thought of it as a different machine with backwards compatibility. GBC games are like next-gen handheld games. Interesting points about Pokémon Yellow not being marketed as a GBC title. Initially I was gonna say it is a GBC game since pallette selection is disabled at startup… that is usually the telltale sign. But since Pikachu is not yellow, I think that disqualifies it from being a GBC title

No that’s on a different console We’re only talking about the American gameboy

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Sure sounds like revisionist history

I disagree. When you are an executive, every word that comes out of your mouth becomes published as part of the public record. This is why executives so often make no comment at all when they have to answer a challenging question