NES, SNES, N64 collectibleness

[WalterWhiteJr. | 1,169]

N64 > everything 

[DarkKobold | 196]

12 hours ago, Tanooki said:

@DarkKobold

Technically with the NES a full set could just be what Nintendo licensed alone and kept the license up on, which would take the total down to a range of nothing but them but also anything they jerked off the market for a revision like Stadium Events and Athletic World for World Class Track Meet.  I've seen it all, the angry debates, etc.  Or you have fcgamer losing his shit over Sachen on the NES and Gameboy market fighting it for years, and while he's not wrong, it's just gray enough there's an endless level of pushback as it would skew so many so called 'complete' sets into being NOT.

So, I have a lot of complete* sets. If there's one thing I've learned about collecting sets, nearly every single fullset can have an asterisks next to the word complete or full. There's just too many questions as to what counts.

1. Vectrex. Do you have to have Boston Clean Sweep? Asterisks if you don't. Minestorm cart version. Does having a certain version of the Vectrex console with it built in count? If so, maybe no asterisk.

2. Amstrad GX4000. Do you have to own Chase HQ2? There's 2 copies known in the entire world. Asterisk.

3. Super A'can. Do you need to own Rebel Star? There's at most 4 known copies around the world. Asterisk.

4. Dreamcast. Do you need Sonic Limited Edition? Do you need Speed Devils clean cover? Asterisk.

5. Saturn. Daytona netlink. Working Designs disc variants. Even more asterisks fun! 

6. NES. Sachen, Cheetahmen 2, panesians, Stadium Events, Hong Kong Mahjong. Asterisk everywhere!

7. SNES. Macs. Speed Racer/MBR. DKCC and Star Fox Weekend. Test carts. What even counts?!?

8. Famicom - this is a gold mine if you're looking to start a war over what counts as a complete set.

9. Atari Jaguar - Hasbro allows anyone to call any cart "licensed." I could manufacture a single copy of a shitty pac-man clone tomorrow, and call it part of the licensed set. Hilarious.

10. Nintendo DS has some pretty hilarious pieces to argue about, like glucose testers and museum guides.

11. 3DO - do you need all the woody wood pecker cartoons? Good luck with that, they show up once every 5 years or so. What about the porn videos from Windows that also happen to be 3DO compatible?

12. N64 - a lot of early lists included the international version of Yoshi's Story. I personally didn't count it.

13. PS3 - do you count some unreleased NBA elite game? Open your wallet!!

The point of this list isn't to argue, so much as to illustrate how silly it is for people to argue over what constitutes each individual set. You could create a thread fighting about nearly every one of these topics. At the end of the day, I don't care if FCgamer (no offesnse) thinks my NES set is incomplete without the Sachen games. It's complete* as far as I'm concerned.

[Tulpa | 3,537]

23 minutes ago, DarkKobold said:

6. NES. Sachen, Cheetahmen 2, panesians, Stadium Events, Hong Kong Mahjong. Asterisk everywhere!

Over the years, I've kind of learned to embrace the wild west that is NES full sets. It's definitely to the point where if you say you have an NES "set" as to which one that actually is (NA licensed, retail, European, etc.) Just something about a set that has so many wrenches to throw in the gears is kind of endearing, if frustrating.

Of course the ever rising number of homebrews makes a true full set impossible, so everyone has to define a set by their limited definition for practical purposes.

[Tanooki | 4,953]

@DarkKobold Wow dude, nice job listing that dumpster fire of utter generational pain there.  I agree with every one of those needing asterisks, probably the NES higher among all given the warring stupidity over SE, Sachen, etc.  SNES is a little less debatable but still worthy as it's clear what exists and wasn't some corporate only tool (campus challenge.)  N64 though?  I've never heard anyone whine that international yoshi being part of any US set, that's new on me and I'd laugh at someone for demanding that.

But that kind of is the point too, there is no hard figure, maybe a lot will agree on this or that system, but it's still so sketchy to be unfair.  It's mostly for e-peen measuring or as a point of sales reference as a catch all and save the work style sale.

[T-Pac | 7,590]

In the future, I actually think the SNES has a chance at the top spot in terms of collectability. 

The full-set mentality has all but died with the newest wave of collectors (who opt instead for "key / staple" titles for any given system), and a lot of the N64's current steam is from the nostalgia crowd (making it arguably unsustainable long-term).

There is an argument to be made that the NES will remain king as the "origin" point of many popular franchises, but I anticipate that future collectors will gravitate instead to the earliest "standout" entries on the SNES (both for their refinement and gameplay accessibility). Super Metroid would give tomorrow's collectors the same "early Nintendo" fix in a more enjoyable package than the clunkier 8-bit original.

New collectors don't think like we do, so we can't base future collectability on what we personally value today.

-CasualCart

[LeatherRebel5150 | 1,056]

13 hours ago, Tanooki said:

@DarkKobold Wow dude, nice job listing that dumpster fire of utter generational pain there.  I agree with every one of those needing asterisks, probably the NES higher among all given the warring stupidity over SE, Sachen, etc.  SNES is a little less debatable but still worthy as it's clear what exists and wasn't some corporate only tool (campus challenge.)  N64 though?  I've never heard anyone whine that international yoshi being part of any US set, that's new on me and I'd laugh at someone for demanding that.

But that kind of is the point too, there is no hard figure, maybe a lot will agree on this or that system, but it's still so sketchy to be unfair.  It's mostly for e-peen measuring or as a point of sales reference as a catch all and save the work style sale.

Ive never heard anyone make that claim on Yoshi’s Story either. I’d actually argue that the N64 is probably the only set to not have any questions or things to argue about. Theres 296 games, no unlicensed, no competition carts, thats it. Pretty straightforward 

[Tanooki | 4,953]

2 hours ago, LeatherRebel5150 said:

Ive never heard anyone make that claim on Yoshi’s Story either. I’d actually argue that the N64 is probably the only set to not have any questions or things to argue about. Theres 296 games, no unlicensed, no competition carts, thats it. Pretty straightforward 

Yeah exactly it makes no sense at all.  There's nothing even gray area.  Even junk that got 90-100% near/rental only stuff goes into that final total.  The whole point of the Yoshi international one was for the non-US market, so whoever wants to argue that needs to pound sand.  N64 is as cut and dry as it comes to it as much as Virtual Boy does.  Virtual Boy US set is 14/14 that's it, one could extend it for personal interests to 16 with the DEMO ONLY sticker variants of Red Alarm and Wario Land, but that's it, stickers...the data is 100% identical (which is why I don't have them, not paying $100 for a flippin' sticker.)

In that respect if someone wants to be that insane about it, the N64 is worse than Virtual Boy.  It has numerous NFR red/white box print stickers on the front, some games got a 'demo' sticker like Turok 2 in black and white, but again, still same game like VB.  I don't believe it had chopped time limited stuff like some GBA games (like Pokemon Mystery Dungeon) with like a 5-10min cap.  This link here covers all that stuff, including the Yoshi bit being just the Japanese game with a special sticker slapped on the front which somehow makes it set worthy?  NOPE.  https://blog.pricecharting.com/2013/02/stevesesy-nintendo-64-not-for-resale.html

[Alder | 243]

22 hours ago, DarkKobold said:

So, I have a lot of complete* sets. If there's one thing I've learned about collecting sets, nearly every single fullset can have an asterisks next to the word complete or full. There's just too many questions as to what counts.

1. Vectrex. Do you have to have Boston Clean Sweep? Asterisks if you don't. Minestorm cart version. Does having a certain version of the Vectrex console with it built in count? If so, maybe no asterisk.

2. Amstrad GX4000. Do you have to own Chase HQ2? There's 2 copies known in the entire world. Asterisk.

3. Super A'can. Do you need to own Rebel Star? There's at most 4 known copies around the world. Asterisk.

4. Dreamcast. Do you need Sonic Limited Edition? Do you need Speed Devils clean cover? Asterisk.

5. Saturn. Daytona netlink. Working Designs disc variants. Even more asterisks fun! 

6. NES. Sachen, Cheetahmen 2, panesians, Stadium Events, Hong Kong Mahjong. Asterisk everywhere!

7. SNES. Macs. Speed Racer/MBR. DKCC and Star Fox Weekend. Test carts. What even counts?!?

8. Famicom - this is a gold mine if you're looking to start a war over what counts as a complete set.

9. Atari Jaguar - Hasbro allows anyone to call any cart "licensed." I could manufacture a single copy of a shitty pac-man clone tomorrow, and call it part of the licensed set. Hilarious.

10. Nintendo DS has some pretty hilarious pieces to argue about, like glucose testers and museum guides.

11. 3DO - do you need all the woody wood pecker cartoons? Good luck with that, they show up once every 5 years or so. What about the porn videos from Windows that also happen to be 3DO compatible?

12. N64 - a lot of early lists included the international version of Yoshi's Story. I personally didn't count it.

13. PS3 - do you count some unreleased NBA elite game? Open your wallet!!

The point of this list isn't to argue, so much as to illustrate how silly it is for people to argue over what constitutes each individual set. You could create a thread fighting about nearly every one of these topics. At the end of the day, I don't care if FCgamer (no offesnse) thinks my NES set is incomplete without the Sachen games. It's complete* as far as I'm concerned.

Don't forget Bingo on the RCA Studio II

[DarkKobold | 196]

2 hours ago, Tanooki said:

Yeah exactly it makes no sense at all.  There's nothing even gray area.  Even junk that got 90-100% near/rental only stuff goes into that final total.  The whole point of the Yoshi international one was for the non-US market, so whoever wants to argue that needs to pound sand.  N64 is as cut and dry as it comes to it as much as Virtual Boy does.  Virtual Boy US set is 14/14 that's it, one could extend it for personal interests to 16 with the DEMO ONLY sticker variants of Red Alarm and Wario Land, but that's it, stickers...the data is 100% identical (which is why I don't have them, not paying $100 for a flippin' sticker.)

In that respect if someone wants to be that insane about it, the N64 is worse than Virtual Boy.  It has numerous NFR red/white box print stickers on the front, some games got a 'demo' sticker like Turok 2 in black and white, but again, still same game like VB.  I don't believe it had chopped time limited stuff like some GBA games (like Pokemon Mystery Dungeon) with like a 5-10min cap.  This link here covers all that stuff, including the Yoshi bit being just the Japanese game with a special sticker slapped on the front which somehow makes it set worthy?  NOPE.  https://blog.pricecharting.com/2013/02/stevesesy-nintendo-64-not-for-resale.html

The irony of this discussion is my entire post was focused on how every fullset deserves an asterisk, because there can be constant, endless arguments about what counts, and it turned into a discussion of what counts . That said, I love this discussion, especially for systems I don't know much about. Maybe it deserves it's own thread?

(I totally forgot the gray rage wars, which is the "most finished" Rage wars, so it cooooounnnntttttsss ).

 

[LeatherRebel5150 | 1,056]

26 minutes ago, DarkKobold said:

The irony of this discussion is my entire post was focused on how every fullset deserves an asterisk, because there can be constant, endless arguments about what counts, and it turned into a discussion of what counts . That said, I love this discussion, especially for systems I don't know much about. Maybe it deserves it's own thread?

(I totally forgot the gray rage wars, which is the "most finished" Rage wars, so it cooooounnnntttttsss ).

 

By that logic every Rom revision counts for every library. Its just a variant, a better more playable variant, but a variant still

Edited September 13, 2021 by LeatherRebel5150

[DefaultGen | 5,436]

18 hours ago, CasualCart said:

In the future, I actually think the SNES has a chance at the top spot in terms of collectability. 

The full-set mentality has all but died with the newest wave of collectors (who opt instead for "key / staple" titles for any given system), and a lot of the N64's current steam is from the nostalgia crowd (making it arguably unsustainable long-term).

There is an argument to be made that the NES will remain king as the "origin" point of many popular franchises, but I anticipate that future collectors will gravitate instead to the earliest "standout" entries on the SNES (both for their refinement and gameplay accessibility). Super Metroid would give tomorrow's collectors the same "early Nintendo" fix in a more enjoyable package than the clunkier 8-bit original.

New collectors don't think like we do, so we can't base future collectability on what we personally value today.

-CasualCart

I think as time goes on, more younger, modern gamer, and graded collectors will enter the hobby and will care more about what a game represents than its gameplay value. I mean, look at black box mania. Soccer, Mach Rider, and Gumshoe aren't the best NES has to offer but are lately some of the more desirable NES games just because they're in that set.

I think Super Metroid obviously holds up incredibly well, but teenagers of today might think anything older than Xbox 360 is archaic and anything older than that they buy purely to put on a shelf. Or people collect who don't play older games at all and just like the history. There will eventually be a crop of people playing old games like Gears of War and Halo 3, which they think is the "first era of games that's actually playable", which is something collectors of every generation thinks about their preferred console generation. Except N64, nobody knows what N64 people think.

[Tulpa | 3,537]

24 minutes ago, DefaultGen said:

Except N64, nobody knows what N64 people think.

Yeah, @OptOut's been with us for years and he's still an enigma.

[Tanooki | 4,953]

3 hours ago, DarkKobold said:

The irony of this discussion is my entire post was focused on how every fullset deserves an asterisk, because there can be constant, endless arguments about what counts, and it turned into a discussion of what counts . That said, I love this discussion, especially for systems I don't know much about. Maybe it deserves it's own thread?

(I totally forgot the gray rage wars, which is the "most finished" Rage wars, so it cooooounnnntttttsss ).

 

Yup and don’t forget there are a few other bug fixes releases. And then the color or lack of (gray) variants with nothing else worth mentioning.