Bonus stages (where you can die)

[fcgamer | 4,753]

I hate games that set up the bonus stages so that you can die. I mean, if it's a bonus stage, it should be a good thing. Those that Possibly drain your health or where you can die, plain suck.

[Reed Rothchild | 9,584]

On 6/29/2021 at 8:28 AM, Gloves said:

git gud

 

[fcgamer | 4,753]

8 minutes ago, Reed Rothchild said:

 

Whether you are skilled or not is not the point. Looking at semantics, bonus stages where you can die don't make particular sense. It's just an oddity that I personally feel is stupid.

[Gloves | 11,830]

Just now, fcgamer said:

Whether you are skilled or not is not the point. Looking at semantics, bonus stages where you can die don't make particular sense. It's just an oddity that I personally feel is stupid.

Bonus is really just a synonym for Extra. 

A normal stage in, say, a platformer is a dangerous place; there's really no reasonable expectation that a bonus stage has to be anything but literally a "bonus" stage. It's just an extra (often hidden or earned) stage. 

[arch_8ngel | 1,597]

36 minutes ago, fcgamer said:

I hate games that set up the bonus stages so that you can die. I mean, if it's a bonus stage, it should be a good thing. Those that Possibly drain your health or where you can die, plain suck.

If you have a way to bypass the stage (i.e. turn down the "bonus") then I don't see an issue.

Think if it like the "double-or-nothing" on the Poker game in the Dragon Quest casino... just because it is a "bonus" opportunity doesn't mean it doesn't have stakes.

[fcgamer | 4,753]

9 minutes ago, Gloves said:

Bonus is really just a synonym for Extra. 

A normal stage in, say, a platformer is a dangerous place; there's really no reasonable expectation that a bonus stage has to be anything but literally a "bonus" stage. It's just an extra (often hidden or earned) stage. 

Strongly disagree.

Bonus comes from Latin, meaning "good". Bonus as a whole has a positive connotation.

I was playing TMNT on SFC tonight, and the third (?) stage is considered a bonus stage. You can die in it, and it's mandatory to play through - the only thing that makes it a "bonus" at all is that the objective is to kill shit to score points. It's weird.

[Gloves | 11,830]

4 minutes ago, fcgamer said:

Strongly disagree.

Bonus comes from Latin, meaning "good". Bonus as a whole has a positive connotation.

I was playing TMNT on SFC tonight, and the third (?) stage is considered a bonus stage. You can die in it, and it's mandatory to play through - the only thing that makes it a "bonus" at all is that the objective is to kill shit to score points. It's weird.

Even more strongly disagree than your disagree. 

Bonus is being used solely as an adjective. A bonus STAGE. Even by your own very literal (and outdated) interpretation, a Bonus Stage only has to be a "good stage". That's ignoring that we're speaking English here, and while term history can be interesting, it's not all encompassing, language evolves. And as I say even without evolution, if we were speaking Latin right now, I'd still be subjectively correct. You're reaching. There's nothing "bad" about a stage which gives you an opportunity to earn more points. 

[Gloves | 11,830]

Next time I see you I'll give you a punch in the arm, and include two bonus punches to the gut.

Tell me the word is inherently positive after that. 

[fcgamer | 4,753]

1 minute ago, Gloves said:

Even more strongly disagree than your disagree. 

Bonus is being used solely as an adjective. A bonus STAGE. Even by your own very literal (and outdated) interpretation, a Bonus Stage only has to be a "good stage". That's ignoring that we're speaking English here, and while term history can be interesting, it's not all encompassing, language evolves. And as I say even without evolution, if we were speaking Latin right now, I'd still be subjectively correct. You're reaching. There's nothing "bad" about a stage which gives you an opportunity to earn more points. 

Lol.

Almost every interpretation / usage of the word bonus, in English, has a good connotation. "Extra", yes, there's that meaning, but it's the weaker of the two attributes, as "bonus" would never be used with a negative connotation, unless people were trying to be snarky, ironic or poetic, which the SFC TMNT IV creators weren't.

Stages that you are forced to play through, which have full end bosses, shouldn't be classified as bonus stages. It's weird, and definitely the odd one out compared to most.

[fcgamer | 4,753]

4 minutes ago, Gloves said:

Next time I see you I'll give you a punch in the arm, and include two bonus punches to the gut.

Tell me the word is inherently positive after that. 

Read my last reply. The connotation is overall positive, unless you're being a troll or what not, which you are

[Gloves | 11,830]

1 minute ago, fcgamer said:

Lol.

Almost every interpretation / usage of the word bonus, in English, has a good connotation. "Extra", yes, there's that meaning, but it's the weaker of the two attributes, as "bonus" would never be used with a negative connotation, unless people were trying to be snarky, ironic or poetic, which the SFC TMNT IV creators weren't.

Stages that you are forced to play through, which have full end bosses, shouldn't be classified as bonus stages. It's weird, and definitely the odd one out compared to most.

Meet me out behind the school at lunch, by the flag pole. Your bonus punches just got upgraded to bonus kicks! 

[Gloves | 11,830]

Just now, fcgamer said:

Read my last reply. The connotation is overall positive, unless you're being a troll or what not, which you are

Bonus is an adjective. It has no inherent positivity nor negativity. The positive or negative nature of a sentence depends upon a pairing of subject and context. 

[TDIRunner | 2,771]

I don't have enough interest to get into the debate about the meaning or connotation of bonus.  I will just say that, as a kid, I was always a little confused as to why the third level in TMNT IV was called a bonus stage.  It even has a boss at the end of it.  It always seemed odd to me.  The level is fun though and I always liked the boss because I had that toy as a kid.  I just don't know why it was any different compared to any other level (other than all of the extra pizza/? boxes).  

Edited July 15, 2021 by TDIRunner

[spacepup | 2,412]

I'll give ya one thing, whenever I see a bonus stage in a game, I do usually get legitimately excited for it.

Overall, I still view it as a positive thing.  Even if there is an opportunity to die or take damage, the bonus stage is usually (a) extra content, (b) different types of gameplay, and/or (c) more opportunities for points or power-ups.  Just because you have the ability to get hurt, doesn't mean it's not a "good" thing.  

Every game I have ever played that had bonus elements/stages, I always viewed it as a positive thing, whether I could get hurt or not.  I've never once thought bonus stages have to inherently be "gimme" opportunities.

[Gloves | 11,830]

Let's take "plus" as an example. You might think it's inherently positive. Surely it can't be negative. It's plus! 

"Five killed plus twelve injured today in a highway pileup". 

Tell me you don't teach English. 

[Gloves | 11,830]

1 minute ago, spacepup said:

I'll give ya one thing, whenever I see a bonus stage in a game, I do usually get legitimately excited for it.

Overall, I still view it as a positive thing.  Even if there is an opportunity to die or take damage, the bonus stage is usually (a) extra content, (b) different types of gameplay, and/or (c) more opportunities for points or power-ups.  Just because you have the ability to get hurt, doesn't mean it's not a "good" thing.  

Every game I have ever played that had bonus elements/stages, I always viewed it as a positive thing, whether I could get hurt or not.  I've never once thought bonus stages have to inherently be "gimme" opportunities.

This is the true crux of it regardless of semantics on the verbiage. 

[fcgamer | 4,753]

5 minutes ago, Gloves said:

Bonus is an adjective. It has no inherent positivity nor negativity. The positive or negative nature of a sentence depends upon a pairing of subject and context. 

No, you're wrong here. The connotation definitely leans positive, if you look at the meanings, even in English.

If you cannot pick this up, likely you might have trouble with the subtle nuances of the English language. There's nothing wrong with that, but you should probably quit while you're ahead.

It's all about the subtle nuances baby!

[Gloves | 11,830]

Just now, fcgamer said:

No, you're wrong here. The connotation definitely leans positive, if you look at the meanings, even in English.

If you cannot pick this up, likely you might have trouble with the subtle nuances of the English language. There's nothing wrong with that, but you should probably quit while you're ahead.

It's all about the subtle nuances baby!

It IS all about the subtle nuances, which you've... chosen to ignore? xD

Leaning one way or the other does not make a steadfast rule. You're literally making arguments for my side and then smiling all smug about it like you one-upped me lol.

[fcgamer | 4,753]

6 minutes ago, Gloves said:

Let's take "plus" as an example. You might think it's inherently positive. Surely it can't be negative. It's plus! 

"Five killed plus twelve injured today in a highway pileup". 

Tell me you don't teach English. 

I can't help that you struggle with English. I'll gladly give you a discount if you want, should you want to improve your English ability and sign up for some classes with my school. What do you need, reading, writing, interpretation, understanding bias in written works, listening comprehension, historical analysis? Just send me a DM and we can discuss it further.

[Jeevan | 8,938]

@fcgamer @Gloves

 

[fcgamer | 4,753]

1 minute ago, Gloves said:

It IS all about the subtle nuances, which you've... chosen to ignore? xD

Leaning one way or the other does not make a steadfast rule. You're literally making arguments for my side and then smiling all smug about it like you one-upped me lol.

Nope. What you've said makes no sense at all.

Bonus by definition has a positive connotation, unless used in a sarcastic way (Japanese devs weren't).

 

[Gloves | 11,830]

Just now, fcgamer said:

Nope. What you've said makes no sense at all.

Bonus by definition has a positive connotation, unless used in a sarcastic way (Japanese devs weren't).

 

And AGAIN - all of that really doesn't matter. Some people (most, probably) consider extra content in a video game to be "good" content.

The Bonus Stage in TMNT is STILL a "Bonus Stage" by the very definition you've provided. There's nothing at all about it that makes it incorrect in any way.

It's totally ok that you're not great at video games, plenty of people have trouble with them. A tough game like Ninja Turtles I can totally understand you dying on the bonus stage, nothing to be ashamed of man.

[fcgamer | 4,753]

12 minutes ago, Gloves said:

Let's take "plus" as an example. You might think it's inherently positive. Surely it can't be negative. It's plus! 

"Five killed plus twelve injured today in a highway pileup". 

Tell me you don't teach English. 

"Plus" doesn't have a particularly positive or negative connotation, it simply means "more", which could be good or bad.

Better get classically trained if you want to debate this stuff bro.

[fcgamer | 4,753]

Just now, Gloves said:

And AGAIN - all of that really doesn't matter. Some people (most, probably) consider extra content in a video game to be "good" content.

The Bonus Stage in TMNT is STILL a "Bonus Stage" by the very definition you've provided. There's nothing at all about it that makes it incorrect in any way.

It's totally ok that you're not great at video games, plenty of people have trouble with them. A tough game like Ninja Turtles I can totally understand you dying on the bonus stage, nothing to be ashamed of man.

You don't know my gaming ability, but I do know you aren't very good with understanding the nuances of language. 

[Gloves | 11,830]

1 minute ago, fcgamer said:

"Plus" doesn't have a particularly positive or negative connotation, it simply means "more", which could be good or bad.

Better get classically trained if you want to debate this stuff bro.

Huh, that's weird. Maybe I should trust you over Oxford.