Gulag Joe | 582 Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 Been seeing more and more of these for ps1 wata graded games. Not sure how I feel about it. Does wata grade NES CIB that have replacement/reproduction boxes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammerfestus | 3,846 Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 You mean CIB PS1 with the jewel case swapped out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RH | 4,904 Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Hammerfestus said: You mean CIB PS1 with the jewel case swapped out? Yeah, this was my immediate thought when I heard about CIB grading. Especially when you take the time to get another case from the same publisher and year of release. There would be no way to detect a case swap but, to be fair, if you had something like an SNES or N64 game and did your research, you could replace a tray and who would know the difference so long as you got an appropriate one from the right era. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gulag Joe | 582 Posted February 21, 2022 Author Share Posted February 21, 2022 3 hours ago, Hammerfestus said: You mean CIB PS1 with the jewel case swapped out? Yea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Hill | 276 Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 (edited) I think its tough to compare swapping a jewel case with a reproduction cardboard box. If the PS1 jewel case had some type of unique marking (like NGCD games), then you'd have a pretty solid point. AFAIK there's not a good way to tell if the jewel case was swapped with another PS1 game, DC game, CD etc. (though I do know current aftermarket jewel cases are much flimsier in their build) All that said, I really don't see why many people would (should?) grade CIB PS1 jewel case games unless it's one of the jewel case variants or one of the very few high-end titles. Edited February 21, 2022 by Silent Hill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammerfestus | 3,846 Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Gulag Joe said: Yea It is a common practice. Nobody keeps their Symphony of the Night or Einhander or whatever in that beat to hell case. Usually they are just swapped out for the cases from goodwill music cds. Certain publishers will have slight variations on the manual clips configuration. I’ve never worried about it. Double discs are a bit more complicated. Luckily those usually come completely apart so you can actually swap out individual elements. Edited February 21, 2022 by Hammerfestus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodysGameRoom | 2,008 Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 If I send my CIB Bases Loaded 2 to WATA for grading would they be able to tell my foam block is REPRODUCTION?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RH | 4,904 Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 I've not done a thorough analysis, but I have looked into this and paid close attention. As @Hammerfestus the clip placement is different from case to case, and even the Compact Disc logo that's pressed into it isn't always in the same location. Early on in my collecting, I did try to swap out component pieces of a standard case. There are three. The small pegs on the back piece that holds the game and the back-insert in place are often quite variable. Placement can be off by about a millimeter (which is a bigger issue than it sounds) and even the nubs aren't all the same size. This is also two for the bigger nubs that are used to make the hinge. Some of those nubs are like flat cylinders while others have a tapering to make assembling of the case easier. Those are all minor details, but if you try to piece together one gem mint case, you'll have a tough time doing it unless you get a case from the same publisher from about the same time. It wouldn't surprise me that across the life time of the PS1, there's possibly 20 different clear, single-disc cases or potentially more. At a glance, they all look the same but when you get the micrometer out, they are different, and when the differences are noticeable, I think that's when people could start getting agitated with case swaps and grading. Of course, they have to think to be aware of it and to be honest, I don't think most collectors, even the new breed with really deep pockets, care that much about these clear cases. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDIRunner | 2,740 Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 There is no database for tracking specific jewel case types to specific PS1 games. Assuming that the replacement case has the Compact Disc log on it, 99% of the time, it will be impossible to tell the difference between an original and a replacement. On top of that, we've seen that WATA's "expertise" seems to drop off the further away you get from the NES era. So I would absolutely not trust them to confirm whether a jewel case is original or not. The only exception I can think of would be for double CD jewel cases that only held one game. The left side of the case that would not hold a disc had a special insert in the jewel case that replaced the spindle that would normally hold the game with a PlayStation logo. I have yet to ever see replacements for these. If this part is missing, you can be sure that it's a replacement (at least on that specific part). But this exception makes up a pretty small percentage of PS1 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gulag Joe | 582 Posted February 21, 2022 Author Share Posted February 21, 2022 3 hours ago, CodysGameRoom said: If I send my CIB Bases Loaded 2 to WATA for grading would they be able to tell my foam block is REPRODUCTION?! That foam block isn't a part of the overall Wata CIB grade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloves | 11,779 Administrator · Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 27 minutes ago, Gulag Joe said: That foam block isn't a part of the overall Wata CIB grade If you send a game in without any foam block at all, would that impact the grade? Seems kind of odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodysGameRoom | 2,008 Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 47 minutes ago, Gulag Joe said: That foam block isn't a part of the overall Wata CIB grade Just another reason WATA is a bunch of amateurs. They need FOAM BLOCK EXPERTS to get in there and really analyze if the foam block is TRULY an original or a FALSE REPRODUCTION. 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gulag Joe | 582 Posted February 21, 2022 Author Share Posted February 21, 2022 59 minutes ago, Gloves said: If you send a game in without any foam block at all, would that impact the grade? Seems kind of odd. I might be wrong on this but I think if you don't have one in your cib wata will add one for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloves | 11,779 Administrator · Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 11 minutes ago, Gulag Joe said: I might be wrong on this but I think if you don't have one in your cib wata will add one for you. The reasons on the list of why I'm against slabbing Cibs just keeps getting bigger lol. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Pac | 7,548 Graphics Team · Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 On 2/21/2022 at 2:18 PM, Gulag Joe said: That foam block isn't a part of the overall Wata CIB grade On 2/21/2022 at 2:46 PM, Gloves said: If you send a game in without any foam block at all, would that impact the grade? Seems kind of odd. On 2/21/2022 at 3:07 PM, CodysGameRoom said: Just another reason WATA is a bunch of amateurs. They need FOAM BLOCK EXPERTS to get in there and really analyze if the foam block is TRULY an original or a FALSE REPRODUCTION. 1 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gulag Joe | 582 Posted February 23, 2022 Author Share Posted February 23, 2022 1 hour ago, CasualCart said: Let's all pretend that we've never already done that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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