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Well, all that work for nothing.... I should have just kept reading. Straight from the horse's mouth. 140 total copies.

So, after sifting through hundreds of posts for a few hours, this is what I accumulated. I'm not 100% positive that this is correct. I say this because for some reason, @Ferris Bueller and stardust4ever (has an unboxing video of a GE edition on Youtube) may have gotten undocumented copies around the PayPal testing time. Can you confirm what went down there, Ferris? zxdplay made a comment that you 2 may not be interesting in LE copies anymore and you were going to back out until #100 opened back up for you. 3 Gift Editions sold on eBay August 3rd, 2014. At least 2 have custom text. (Majesty ZX, Proveaux, 3rd buyer unknown) 2 (maybe more) Unknown Editions sold through PayPal as a test on September 12, 2014. (acomicbookguyc and maybe Johnnyboy113?)(Maybe more GEs?) 100 LEs sold on NA. Still trying to find a final list. 1-20 have custom text. (#74 was sold on eBay) 1 Unknown Edition gifted\sold to Dain 16 Regular Editions sold on eBay Total documented copies sold: 122

So far, what I have found is that there were for sure 3 GEs (Gift Editions) sold on eBay on August 3rd, 2014. Those 3 are clearly marked with GE v1.0 on the title screen. It also looks like the buyers name or something was written on the title screen as well. I'm going to keep digging as I know more were sold outside of the LEs. On August 16, 2014, zxdplay said that two of the three GEs were purchased by NA members Majesty ZX and Proveaux. He wasn't for sure who the third person was. On September 9th, Majesty ZX posted: Proveaux just decided to get his to say "Gift Edition" where as mine says "Majesty ZX".

Here is some more information on Star Keeper. I don't know how deep into the threads The Internet Archive will let you read, but the first link will give you the most information and it was pretty wild! The entire thread is pretty crazy, but it gets really good around page 12. EDIT: It looks like the archive ends at page 18. Maybe another date can go deeper into it. I was able to skip page 19 and go to 20. Still reading. Archive of the Star Keeper thread in the Brewery section of nintendoage.com. https://web.archive.org/web/20140818025501/http://www.nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=22&threadid=125036&StartRow=1 Archive of the Star Keeper Sales thread in the Seller's Forum of nintendoage.com. https://web.archive.org/web/20141022030247/http://www.nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=6&threadid=134803&StartRow=1

If it is number, it is the LE. There are 100 LEs. Maybe a dozen or so of the others. @neodolphino might know exactly. The first 20 copies of the LEs had the option to add custom text to the title screen I believe. Not all took that option. That is why I took 21. Lowest non-custom game.

Welcome, neighbor. I'm #21. #20 was the last one with a custom text option.

I think so. I know he tried to get The Incident greenlit on Steam, but I don't think it did.

I didn't see a thread about this, so I thought I would start one about NEScape! by KHAN Games getting a release on the Switch and Xbox. It looks like he teamed up with 8-Bit Legit to make this happen. According to the Facebook posts, Pre-Orders start January 5th!

I really wish it was possible to print-on-demand but it is just not a feasible model for many factors. I tried to do this with Tailgate Party after the initial run and it was such a hassle in my life at the time.

It's not an excuse, IT IS THEFT! It's literally written as a law. The only thing flimsy about it is the law doesn't fit your narrative on the matter and you are butthurt that you don't get free things. It's not gate keeping. No one is stopping you from buying homebrews or saying you can't. I would really like to have a 1966 Mustang, but since I can't go buy one new, I'm entitled to a free one because people are selling used ones higher than I want to spend? Just because I can't clone a Mustang doesn't make one more right than the other.

Humans are hypocrites. Welcome to life. And welcome to capitalism as well? You are telling me that you wouldn't sell your possession for market value? See, everyone's a hypocrite! The seller didn't shark it, it went to auction and bought by the highest bidder. Should the seller message the winner and say "Hey man, I bought this for $60, so you only need to pay that much."?

Preservation is just a word thrown out by those that really mean "I WANT ROMZ, oMg!!" It's not preservation, it's theft. Real preservation respects the IP owner.

Many of these people literally said before or after selling "I already have all the games in rom format, why would I keep physical copies?" Please stop trying to manipulate what I heard with my very ears and saw with my very eyes. From the people I know, it was one of many factors in their decision, period. I don't see how you are even debating this. Just because my facts contradict your thoughts on the matter? You hate being wrong? Why keep beating the dead horse?

You do you. We don't have to agree and I can honestly say, you and I are not going to agree with a lot on this. I can sit here and rebuttal back and forth until we are blue in the face, neither of us are budging from our stance. I can't control what options you choose to play games on as much as you can control what consoles devs release games for. Spend your money and time how you want, and devs will spend their money and time how they want. You also missed the entire point that was being made. Either VGS is a platform that supports homebrewers or it isn't. Once people no longer feel supported or their wishes and opinions are not respected, they will eventually stop coming. So, if I see people going against the developers wishes, why would I support that? This developer chose not to release the rom, but from what I see, entitlement > dev's choice.

Obviously I can't prove this and you know that. It is only my experience from those I know who sold their collections. I'm not here to toss their names out. Off the top of my head of those I personally know who did this, the count sits at 7 or 8. Used the money for something they really wanted to do and condensed their collection to a pi or powerpak. I honestly don't know a single person who sold their entire collection and don't have one of those options to still play.

Want to know why most people have given up their collections? Because it got too expensive and got a raspberry pi with a bunch of illegal roms. When the avenue to free vs paid for is there, free will be chosen most often.

In my opinion, there is a big difference. What I may have done or haven't done doesn't justify promoting stealing other people IPs. - The Konamis and SNKs of the world are no longer making games for you guys to play on the NES, so put that in whatever gray area category that clears your conscience. Current devs are making new games for you on the NES and want to make more. - The money you spend on old NES games no longer supports the original developer. The money you spend on homebrews does support current developers. - Supporting current devs only increases the quality of the games being made as you encourage them to give up their free time to make better games. Nearly every dev has an normal 8-5 like you plus many of them have families to support. You can buy many of the roms now for just a few bucks straight from the dev and continue to support them. - The profit made on homebrews are already slim and piracy hurts current devs. - You personally know many of the devs and talk directly with them, so support them. - This is a labor of love done in the dev's free time that takes hundreds of hours. Then you see your work stolen, that can be demoralizing. - Nintendo has a team of lawyers who can protect their IP from being stolen. Most homebrewers can't afford the money or time to work with a lawyer to protect their IP. So, we count on community trust and support. - Just because the game isn't being sold now doesn't mean it may not be released. We have seen this on numerous occasions. I know a few people have tried to reach out to zdxplay to help rerelease Star Keeper. Who knows, it may return! - Eventually, stolen roms of quality homebrews end up becoming reproductions sold on the internet. I've seen numerous homebrew repros being sold on AliExpress, eBay, and Etsy. - Homebrew fans are already a pretty niche group. Trying to expand on that is tough enough, let alone if everyone can just find these games for free. If you want to spend time hunting down homebrew roms across the Internet, then that is your business, I really don't care what you do. I don't want anyone's throat for pirating roms and I really care what your feelings about piracy and pircacy laws are. All I can do is advocate for and support the homebrewers who wish for their IPs to remain protected. I am fully aware that many of these games are already dumped and out there and eventually, all will be. But VGS is supposed to be a forum that supports and welcomes homebrewers, not promote piracy of their work and then tell them how to they should feel about their IP being stolen just because you feel entitled to their work.

My comment about piracy was not aimed at you, bud. Tinkering with your own personal copy is not an issue for me. My issue is with those who thinks its ok to pirate homebrew roms. Speaking out against pirating other fellow community member's hard work is a hill I'm willing to die on.

Since when has VGS turned into an illegal homebrew warez forum? I'm pretty sure it goes against the developer's wishes to have this dumped and released to the public. He even said as much when he discussed not wanting his hard work lumped in with cheap Chinese clones. If someone uses their personal copy to create a backup and document the mapper, I see no ethical issues with that. However, I would be terribly disappointed in the homebrew collecting community if this rom was made public just because a few people feel entitled to own a rom.

Hope Gamers goes down. That store was always very shady. Haven't been to the Gameroom in years, but I always had a good experience when I went there.

It's not a completed project until all of the materials are ordered and assembled. Kickstarter was used to finish the project. There is 0 startup cost to program the game. All the overhead comes from production and manufacturing which is what he asking to be funded. Not everyone has $15,000 laying around to produce 300 physical copies.

I know for a fact that Goodwill would toss boxes of cartridge games and consoles in the 90s. My uncle worked for a garbage company and got me a lot of Atari games that way as a kid. I feel far more may have been tossed by retailers and warehouses than by consumers.

I think you nailed it. I've never actually used it in the years of having it.

Whould Chip Maestro count as a music cart? I have that, too.