m308gunner

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Welcome to VGS mang! Glad you made it.

9/10 based on this alone.

Welcome to VGS! Glad you made the jump.

Welcome to the party pal!

1 hour ago, Californication said:

I don't always buy video games, but when I do...I'm just kidding I always buy video games. 

Paid $225 

Gotta love that Phalanx art. I remember seeing it in the store when it came out and immediately going for Final Fantasy 2 instead

I'll go ahead and agree with @Fleck586 on this one. 

5 hours ago, kuriatsu said:

The left is the death of comedy huh? Intersectional heirarchy? Bullshit. Its called the right being an asshole. Instead of saying "oh the left is the death of comedy" try to learn from the left so the left can learn from the right, that way we can all learn from each other and laugh and enjoy comedy toghether, all it takes is a little freaking empathy. Whos going to take that first step?

whats compelling to you and compelling to me are different things and your lack of being willing to empathize and be understanding does not speak highly of your capacity of human growth and development. I'm disappointed at your lack of even trying to hold a conversation rather than just repeat the same drivel over and over and over again. Grow up and be empathetic toward your fellow human beings.

But I don't know why I'm bothering to even try because you people never reciprocate, you people never learn, never grow, never change, never mature, never bother to even TRY to see other peoples points of view.

nevermind. Obviously you shits don't care and you never will because you are incapable of it, feel free to prove me wrong.

After reflecting for some hours I don't believe I am the target of your frustration/pain, just the most recent and easily accessible avenue through which you felt the need to vent. Seeing as how this post of yours was the very first interaction we have ever had (to my knowledge) it would be very difficult to take most, if not all, of what you say personally, as much of it is objectively false. 

I do have this to say about empathy/compassion. It is not the highest ideal, nor the loftiest virtue and should not be the end goal when navigating your way through the world. It might be fine and good when dealing with infants or injured people, but stunting and a cause for resentment when dealing with adults. In other words, you don't treat adults like children and expect good results in the long run. A mother grizzly (or any mother in fact) has compassion/empathy for her cub, but get between them and you will feel the full brunt of said compassion regardless of your intentions.

45 minutes ago, Lincoln said:

Dismissing someone as emotional when they are forced to defend themselves from a bunch of people arguing it's ok to denigrate them is a pretty shitty thing to do

Dismissing would be applying the label (not that it is a label), waving away their argument, and abandoning the conversation or never addressing them again. None of that has happened (yet). Usually when a situation escalates into a highly agitated emotional state, the mature/responsible thing to do by all parties is to give some distance and re-engage with a more level headed approach. And given the nature of the original post, emotional would be the tamest possible word to use to describe the contents of said message.

26 minutes ago, kuriatsu said:

The left is the death of comedy huh? Intersectional heirarchy? Bullshit. Its called the right being an asshole. Instead of saying "oh the left is the death of comedy" try to learn from the left so the left can learn from the right, that way we can all learn from each other and laugh and enjoy comedy toghether, all it takes is a little freaking empathy. Whos going to take that first step?

whats compelling to you and compelling to me are different things and your lack of being willing to empathize and be understanding does not speak highly of your capacity of human growth and development. I'm disappointed at your lack of even trying to hold a conversation rather than just repeat the same drivel over and over and over again. Grow up and be empathetic toward your fellow human beings.

But I don't know why I'm bothering to even try because you people never reciprocate, you people never learn, never grow, never change, never mature, never bother to even TRY to see other peoples points of view.

nevermind. Obviously you shits don't care and you never will because you are incapable of it.

Since you are obviously very emotional at the moment (and editing your post) I will give you the time to reflect on your words/arguments and respond in detail to whatever you choose to leave up this evening. 

Welcome to VGS Jay!

Just now, Tulpa said:

It's not just their opinion. If you are attacking a group based on their very being, you are a bigot. Full stop.

 

It is exactly their opinion, because we are not talking hard science here. We are talking about an ideology that groups people by their traits and makes assumptions based on those traits. What's more, they seek to establish a social hierarchy based on said traits (I believe it's been called the victimhood hierarchy, or the intersectional heirarchy, depending on who's talking). At that point they cease to hold any legitimacy and become one with the racists they purport to abhor.

Your fondness and readiness to throw around the word bigot and characterize jokes as attacks while offering no compelling argument does not speak highly of you. When is the last time you heard a working comedian talk about the left and comedy? The popular opinion that I have heard is that the left is the death of comedy.

19 hours ago, Tulpa said:

But the key to comedy is that you should always punch up, hitting those who deserve it, not target someone who can't help who they are.

Otherwise, you're a bigot.

 

Referencing the SJW left's opinion on comedy and characterizing in advance people who will not agree is the height of... words better left unsaid.

20 hours ago, epiclotus said:

As literal organization, I agree.  I think you see a staunch reaction to KKK imagery more out of concern for it becoming a symbol instead of a memory.  True Nazism died in 1945, but look how that has lingered, festered, and regrown.  

Hahahaha, that's hilarious.  

  Well, I'm sure I don't need to rattle off the old adage about forgetting and repeating history to you, but I don't think that's the direction you're coming from. I would argue that we should never expect true evil to disappear entirely. It will continue to fester, linger and regrow (because that's kinda it's thing). I merely suggest that we keep our "swords" (mind/arguments) sharpened and not freak out at the twitching corpse that it has become.

20 hours ago, MrWunderful said:

Now white nationalism is “robust and mature” lol. Thanks for proving my point. Thats the exact legitimization I wanted you to save in your spiel. 
 

I am not trying to hear any defense of hate groups, sorry. 
 

Instead of saying “Yeah being supported by that group isn’t such a great look”  (which isnt even true)it’s one argument saying it’s not a big deal and another argument talking about how they’re not as powerful as they were before so it shouldn’t matter.  Quest could’ve just posted the link and instantly disproved the original comment, instead people are jumping to the defense of the KKK which is insane. 

  You (and about three other members) seem to be misunderstanding pretty much everything I'm trying to communicate here from start to finish. On top of that you've taken a point I was trying to make about the general social mindset, which observably tends toward over sensitivity, and twisted it into my somehow defending white nationalism or the KKK. A more blatant straw man argument you could not make.

  So let's try to clear this one particular point up. Today's culture is overly sensitive, and has been growing ever more so since the early 2000s. I posit that the pendulum of social norms is once again swinging back in the other direction (due to political-correction-exhaustion, among other things), and society is beginning to ease it's white knuckled panic over the mere mention of racism (something the left has enabled by continuously overusing and over applying the term). I don't like using analogies, but imagine a new doctor vs. a veteran doctor who has to deliver test results to a gravely ill patient. In this poorly built scenario, the new doctor enters the room overly excited and dramatically announces that all is lost unless the patient starts treatment yesterday ("we may even have to amputate!!!"), while the older doctor pulls up a stool and calmly walks through the problem and how they can treat the ailment. Both acknowledge that there is a problem, but one approaches the problem like it is death incarnate (today's waning SJW culture), while the other has seen it all before and know's how to handle it (Mr. Davis and hopefully the rest of us).

Now, please re-read my earlier post. 

1 hour ago, Hammerfestus said:

Vox is not the point.  That was a pointless and obviously agenda driven source though it would’ve done you some good to at least skim for the sake of the conversation at hand.  This “debate” has devolved from the thoughtful, interesting conversation when arch and m308 were the ones debating to a bunch of friggin parrots just repeating lines they heard on the googles.  There’s no nuance.  There’s no attempts at coming to a better understanding of the reality of the situation through intellectually honest discourse.  It’s just who can quote Rachel Maddow or Gretchen Carlson the most times apparently wins.    Good job.

17 hours ago, MrWunderful said:

Save your spiel about the KKK. 
 

And like I said, I dont really care Who endorses Him.  So all that nonsense about “my objectivity” is misguided.  Just like the whole “people who look for racism everywhere”  talk. I personally dont want anyone to be racist. Just calling a spade a spade.  

I took issue at Quest saying “who cares about the KKK, they arent a big deal” which is bullshit, and quite frankly, statements like that are how white nationalism is seeping into the mainstream. In a few years, discourse will be “the stuff they did isnt that bad, they were just joking lol” just like the people denying the holocaust.  (Not accusing you quest)

 

Hate groups like that are a big deal, not just from a historical Perspective-Nowadays they just spend time online on reddit or forums, instead of in backwoods dressed in white robes. 
 

Appreciate the heads up on Joe Rogan, but Not a fan. Maybe Ill look up the other guy.

 

Save my spiel? Come now, MrWunderful. You're made of stronger stuff.

 The point I was trying to make about the KKK is that their membership is on a downward trajectory and they are increasingly irrelevant in today's culture, especially on a historical trajectory, and are thus not as much of a threat as you might like to think. This and many more salient points are made by Daryl Davis in the Joe Rogan interview, and listening to it would help ground your concern that that hate group, in particular, is not the threat you may think they are.

Are you sure that the "white nationalism seeping into the mainstream" isn't just the pendulum of history/social norms swinging away from the hyper sensitive mindset of the mainstream into a more robust and mature mindset? One that is able to face the evils of the past and not blink? Or maybe something akin to gallows humor? Things that are so dark that for some the only way to cope with the magnitude of evil is to laugh at it? Dave Chapelle's Clayton Bigsby sketch comes to mind.

I would rather have the hate groups online, honestly. They are easier to keep track of and refute that way. I also don't have to wade through fields of ticks or get lost in the woods.

2 minutes ago, MrWunderful said:

You do know that you dont speak for minorities right? Or the families of people whose relatives were murdered, or terrorized by them? Lol

KKK= Not as prominent as years ago, agreed.
But having the actual KKK back you, isnt because you are looking to unite people. 
 

But since you don't think racism is relevant today, Im not really that surprised you think its not a big deal. 
 

Nobody in this thread can legitimately say they speak for anyone but themselves, including you, and from where I stand Quest has not purported to do so. 

The KKK is no longer a single unified entity, and has not existed as such for a rather long time. They are much more fragmented into local/state chapters, and so if someone makes the claim that the KKK is backing a particular candidate it would not be fair or accurate to characterize said endorsement as a nation-wide effort. Also, if a particular chapter of the KKK backs someone who is not looking for their endorsement (and has even disavowed them), and you lump them in with guilt by association, that does not speak highly of your objectivity or willingness to see nuance in a world with a million shades of grey. No one is pure. No one is good. No one has a perfect lens with which they view and interpret the world. 

It has been my experience that those who are obsessed with racism will find it anywhere and everywhere and use it as a tool to control and shame others, thus making any attempt to discuss or deal with the remnants of that failed ideology that much more difficult.

I recommend to all checking out Daryl Davis' interview on the Joe Rogan podcast (easily found on youtube). He has converted a number of actual KKK members (and has their robes to prove it) and can provide some much needed context to the issue at hand. He's also one mean musician.

10 hours ago, Tabonga said:

Heh - I may have to start yet a new collection:

https://dangerousminds.net/comments/collectable_hieronymus_bosch_figurines

Oh, thaaaaaaat's where all my childhood nightmares came from. Glad to finally put that to rest

Welcome to VGS TotalRadNES!

My gut reaction was 1/10, but as @Kguillemette said, they would rate higher if I were just to consider them instrumentally. They are America's shame. I would rate Nickelback higher then them. They are a regular subject of derision in the workplace whenever someone is loading an especially large file, "Keep loadin', loadin', loadin'! What?!"

Paul!!! Originator of the fabled "Super C"  Good to see you mang!

6 hours ago, Hammerfestus said:

Fester’s Quest for the whole damn thing.  I guess you don’t necessarily “need” it but you’d better be taking thumb roids 

Blaster Master too.