Makar

37 minutes ago, 360collector said:

If those making the charts wanted it to be good they should never have included sales from china to begin with

Agreed but I imagine that’s hard for them to do if they’re just doing an automated dump of data from big sites. But maybe it isn’t too hard to exclude if you just take out sales from China or Hong Kong? Idk I’m not a programmer lol

1 hour ago, PapaStu said:

Lots of stuff has spiked crazily. Rhythm Thief is like suddenly a $400+ game now.

Yea it’s nuts! The dual pack really shocked me since it’s just a variant of 2 common games 

11 minutes ago, 360collector said:

good point, thats probably doing a hitjob on other systems too, like the n64

It’s why I think CIB paints a better picture of the average price for some systems like the DS that have a massive counterfeit problem. It’s possible to counterfeit CIB of course but it is FAR less common than just cart only and I don’t think would drag down the price like fake cart only copies do. I’d be curious to see charts and how prices of cart only games changed once counterfeits became more prevalent for that system. Probably impossible to measure but it’d be interesting. 

8 minutes ago, 360collector said:

Well that chart cant be used to describe the DS market imo. But the Ds has a ton of shovelware too and that would drag the chart down, but who would buy loose shovelware? Shovelware is good for replacing damaged boxes but loose, I dont get it. Maybe the loose DS collector scene is something im unaware of. Most the games I want are easy 50+ but then again that CIB

My guess is what’s actually going on is all the bootlegs from China for the popular and rarer titles are artificially keeping the average price low 

11 minutes ago, Aguy said:

How Is the Index Calculated?

Indexes are the average price of all items released for that particular console/set with a few items excluded.

Video Games

Loose Price. The index is an average of the loose (game only) price.

Excludes Variants. For example, Player's Choice, Not for Resale, Greatest Hits, Limited Edition versions are excluded.

Excludes non-commercially released games. Games like Nintendo World Championships are not included because they were not commercially sold.

Excludes unlicensed games. Games like Super Noah's Ark 3D are not included because they were not licensed by the console manufacturer.

Excludes all hardware. The indexes do not include systems, accessories, or controllers.

That makes a lot more sense if it’s just loose carts. All that shovelware will keep the average price for cart only down for a long time

15 minutes ago, Aguy said:

Overall it's still not too bad of a market, it's just the heavy hitters (and pokemon) that are dragging the needle higher.

Is that loose or complete? Because there are over 20 different DS games going for $100+ complete. The number is probably closer to 30-50 if you go through them all. And of those, you have some going much more than $100. 

Everyone look up how much the Pokémon omega ruby/alpha sapphire dual pack is going for….that is all

6 minutes ago, scaryice said:

I can't believe how much Flower, Sun, & Rain is worth now. I got it cheap a few years ago, but I've only played it for an hour or two, seems pretty bad.

This is how I feel when I look up almost any DS game now. Dragon quest monsters joker 2 may have surprised me the most 

12 hours ago, Aguy said:

It's my DQ machine. I've been meaning to pick up Rocket Slime, and I wasn't really a big enough fan of Joker to get the sequel. It doesn't have the same charms as the GBC games.

Rocket slime is excellent! 

As you can see, I’m quite fond of the Dragon Quest Monsters Joker series lol

1 hour ago, CasualCart said:

If I'm going by the criteria of "what makes a perfect game for me", I have one 10/10 and several 9/10 titles.

Solomon's Key 2 (Fire 'N Ice) [NES]
+10/10 A puzzle-platforming masterpiece. Super charming 8-bit aesthetics with fantastic animation and character-design, balanced difficulty for novice puzzlers, simple mechanics utilized to their full potential, accessible save-system, and extra levels just for kicks. It's essentially perfect for my gaming-tastes.

Abadox [NES]
+9/10 My favorite video game. Evocative bio-mechanical visuals, a mech-style hero, strategy-based level-design, horizontal and vertical stage-scrolling, unlimited continues, understated status within the NES library, and the best end-game escape-sequence I've yet encountered.
-1/10 High difficulty level, even from the outset. It's a wonder I've ever cleared this game, even with auto-fire.

Bubble Bobble [GameBoy / NES]
+9/10 Arcade-style platforming at its best. Some of gaming's most endearing character and stage designs, versatile bubble-mechanics that really grow on the player, a perfectly succinct password-system, short-and-sweet levels, and enough hidden items, power-ups, and surprises to keep every playthrough novel.
-1/10 The length of the game becomes a slog, some levels are excessively difficult, and the multiple endings are both cryptic and disheartening to navigate.

Dig Dug [Arcade]
+9/10 A straightforward, fun arcade classic. Neat digging and attack mechanics, cute character-designs, charming music, and a perfect "pick-up-and-play" arcade format.
-1/10 The increase in enemy speed and numbers in later levels can be overwhelming, and I've never made it to a definitive looping-point in the game.

Flappy Bird [iOS]
+9/10 A simple premise executed perfectly. Addicting gameplay devoid of any unnecessary fluff. One input is all you need, and all you could ever want in a game like this. 
-1/10 I hate the mobile-game format, and while I love 8-bit graphics, I generally don't like it when they're "faked" like this.

Image Fight [NES]
+9/10 A solid, strategic space-shooter. Satisfyingly destructive and varied power-ups, an emphasis on route-planning, the perfect aesthetic balance of detail and minimalist design, unlimited continues with casual-friendly difficulty in the training missions, and undeniable "under-the-radar" appeal.
-1/10 Punishing difficulty spike in the post-simulation missions. I needed auto-fire and slow-motion just to clear this one.

Kwirk [GameBoy]
+9/10 A fun, no-nonsense, box-pushing puzzler. Simple mechanics, a forgiving "retry" and level-select system, and an addicting "just one more level" pull.
-1/10 Aesthetically serviceable but relatively unappealing, and the later levels get so complex that I could never solve them all.

Sky Jinks [Atari 2600]
+9/10 The ideal slalom game. Absolutely gorgeous minimalist graphics and sound effects, exceedingly straightforward mechanics, a balanced number of game modes for variety, and well-defined time-targets for goal-oriented gamers (thanks Activision's patch standards).
-1/10 I can't remember what my caveats were with this game. It might actually be a 10/10 after all...

Super R-Type [SNES]
+9/10 One of the rightful kings of strategic space-shooters. Classic bio-mechanical aesthetics, stage-layouts that reward path-planning over reflex, extremely satisfying sound design (especially the explosion effects), intuitive and innovative force-pod and charge-shot mechanics, and an accessible "novice" mode for casual players.
-1/10 While this space-shooter solves my typical difficulty-gripe thanks to "novice" settings, it lacks the understated appeal of Abadox and Image Fight (even though R-Type was likely a heavy influence on both of those games).

Turmoil [Atari 2600]
+9/10 An innovative, arcade-style fixed space-shooter. Dopamine-inducing flow-state gameplay, fun point-bonuses, "pick-up-and-play" appeal, an overpowered default laser attack, and a successful twist on the fixed-shooter formula.
-1/10 Twitch gameplay isn't always my speed, and the audiovisual elements seem to value flashiness over solid design.

Yoshi's Island [GameBoy Advance]
+9/10 A uniquely satisfying take on the platformer formula. Buttery controls with an intuitive flutter-jump mechanic, easy difficulty with accessible saves, solid overall length, fantastic and varied boss fights and stage mechanics, and an endearing art-style / musical score.
-1/10 Some game mechanics feel awkward, and the non-linear levels generally don't appeal to me.

-CasualCart

Man you went all out!! LOVE the art as usual! You da man!!! Idk what half the games you mentioned even are lol but that’s why I love this thread. Everyone has different tastes and enjoy different games for different reasons. 

Because the world needs more DS in its life. Post anything and everything DS related here. I’ll start with this

My favorite DS games

-Dragon Quest Monsters Joker 
-Dragon Quest Monsters Joker 2
-Advance Wars Dual Strike
-Dragon Quest Heroes Rocket Slime
-Drone Tactics
-Yugioh 2011
-Digimon World DS
-Digimon World Dawn
-Digimon World Dusk
-Tingles Rosy Rupeeland
-Geometry Wars
-Pokémon Black 2 and White 2
-Pokémon Black and White
-Pokémon Diamond/Pearl/Platinum
-Megaman Battle Network 5
-Chrono Trigger
-Civilization Revolution
-Tetris DS
-Mario Kart DS
-New Super Mario Bros
-Dragon Quest IV
-Age of Empires
-Final Fantasy Chocobotales

Games I haven’t played yet but look good

-Dragon Quest V
-Dragon Quest VI
-Dragon Quest IX
-Radiant Historia
-Solatorobo 
-Dokapon Journey 
-Super Robot Taisen OG Saga
-Infinite Space
-Sands of Destruction 
-Suikoden Tierkreis
-Elebits
-Fire Emblem Shadow Dragon 
-Avalon Code
-Lunar Knights
-Scurge Hive
-Advance Wars Days of Ruin
-Luminous Arc
-Luminous Arc 2
-Izuna
-Izuna 2
-Front Mission
-Final Fantasy Tactics A2
-Valkyrie Profile Covenant of the Plume
-Knights in the Nightmare
-Hero’s Saga Laevatein Tactics
-Etrian Odyssey I
-Etrian Odyssey II
-Etrian Odyssey III
-Golden Sun Dark Dawn
-Phantasy Star 0
-Big Bang Mini
-Legacy of Ys Books I and II
-Black Sigil

13 minutes ago, AstralSoul said:

And a way better game. What's sad to me is it would've been better for both Nintendo and fans if they just remastered Charged and added online multiplayer. That would've been better than Battle League.

Yea that’s a good point. I loved charger’s online matches and trying to get in the top 100 or whatever it was for the weekly or daily rankings. 

1 hour ago, Reed Rothchild said:

There was an NA thread.  Did we never do one here?  I could just rename this one.

I thought we had one but I guess not. Maybe I’m remembering the NA one

On 6/21/2022 at 7:43 PM, Reed Rothchild said:

Oh shit I still need to do that one.  Totally forgot.

It’s been on my backlog for so long. I figured I’d finally get around to it. I’m almost finished and it has been a blast the whole way through. 

1 hour ago, Lynda Monica said:

I started up Fire Emblem Awakening for the first time a few days ago, and I'm not feeling it. I've been told it's a good place to start for series newcomers, and if that's the case then I likely won't ever appreciate Fire Emblem.

At the risk of sounding extremely biased, (which I don't really care if I do) I still think of Fire Emblem as that one Nintendo series that was "cool" to be a fan of when they first started being localized. The truth is that it's always been a really niche series despite how many games there are, and I've always felt an aura of "cool kids club" when it comes to fans of the series.

It's always rubbed me the wrong way, and having finally played one of the most popular games in the series for a few days now, I'm confident that the old Shining Force games are better in basically every way.

I'm aware that the story in Awakening isn't typical for the series, but I don't really care about the story in most games to be honest. I'd rather a silly one to a serious war story anyway.

What really irks me about Fire Emblem compared to Shining Force is how needlessly restrictive its gameplay is. It feels like so much of the game's "tactics" are based around doing the exact right thing, and there' almost no freedom to do things how you want.

Shining Force was a lot more generous about its margins for error, where not only were deaths not permanent, the damage levels weren't so insanely tight. Making a mistake and having things go a little out of hand was pretty typical in Shining Force, and it was a lot of fun trying to squeak out a battle.

There's next to no room to breathe in Fire Emblem, and while I get you're supposed to use strategy, it's simply unreasonable to expect a player to be flawless the entire stage without having to redo it a bunch of times.

At that point the "strategy" becomes trial and error, which makes permanent death a completely bothersome feature with no actual benefit to the game's enjoyment other than being smug for beating it.

I know that Fire Emblem fans will think otherwise since they're used to it, and clearly find some sort of satisfaction from it, but as someone with no investment in the series, I think it's gameplay ideals are horrendously outdated.

Maybe give fire emblem echoes a try. It’s a little different from the other fire emblems but in a good way. If you want a sillier but solid tactics game, I recommend drone tactics. And if you need a more freedom kind of tactics game, there’s always advance wars and Wargroove. 

Where did the DS thread go btw? I tried looking for it but couldn’t find it

Figured I’d join the club

My favorite 3DS games

-Dragon Quest Monsters Joker 3 (Japanese only release)
-Dragon Quest Monsters Terrys Wonderland (Japanese only release)
-Shovel Knight
-Fire Emblem Echoes
-Cave Story 3D
-Pocket Card Jockey
-Zelda Ocarina of Time
- Zelda Link Between Worlds
-Fire Emblem Awakening
-Fire Emblem Fates
-Star Fox 64
-Pokémon X and Y
-Luigi’s Mansion
-Luigi’s Mansion Dark Moon
-Witch and Hero I, II, and III
-NES Ultimate Remix
-Azure Striker Gunvolt
-Super Smash Bros For 3DS
-Super Mario 3D Land
-Mario Kart 7
-Pokémon Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire
-Tetris Axis

3DS games I haven’t played yet but look good

-Digimon world redigitize (Japanese only release)
-Dragon warrior monsters 2 remake (Japanese only remake)
-Dragon quest heroes rocket slime 3
-Shantae Pirates Curse
-Dragon Quest VII
-Dragon Quest VIII
-Legend of Legacy
-Stella Glow
-Langrisser
-Hey Pikmin
-Bravely Default
-Bravely Default 2
-Etrian odyssey IV
-Etrian Odyssey V
-Ever Oasis
-Project X Zone
-Alliance Alive
-xenoblade chronicles
-radiant history
-tales of the abyss 

Charged is only $15-20 just saying

https://www.ebay.com/itm/284868013905?epid=55589234&hash=item425374ef51:g:UJMAAOSw8V9eTjO4

11 minutes ago, Reed Rothchild said:

I was literally just looking at buying this digitally about a week ago and now I’ll just get the physical. Gracias!

Hey everyone. I figured it’s time I put up a WTB/WTTF thread. I prefer to trade rather than buy but I’ll buy if the price is right. Here’s what I’m looking for. 
 

here’s my for sale thread 

GBA
pocky and rocky - game only

DS
My World My Way - CIB or just case and manuals
Shepherds Crossing 2 - just case and manuals
Power Bike - just case and manuals
Radiant historia - just big box with CD
Dark Spire - big box, case, and manuals
Legend of Ys - CIB with big box and cd
wizard of oz - CIB
 

3DS
Langrisser - CIB
Stella glow - just the game, or game case and manuals without the big box 
Ever oasis - CIB
Fantasy Life - CIB
Fragrant Story - CIB
Radiant Historia - CIB
Tales of the abyss - CIB

Gamecube
pokemon box - just the big box
gundam char controller

Wii
fritz chess - CIB

switch
pokemon let’s go Eevee and pikachu joycons
dragon quest joycons



Club nintendo
All Mario kart 7 trophies with boxes
club Nintendo wavebird
club Nintendo controller
all chotto 3DS systems with boxes


limited edition gba sps/micros
kyogre gba sp with box and inserts
zelda gba sp with box and inserts
boktai gba sp with box and inserts
Pokémon gba micro
mother 3 gba micro

1 hour ago, AstralSoul said:

It's a bad sequel, more or less. They should've expanded on the Strikers formula they already had and added new things to it. Instead they basically rebuilt the first Strikers game but worse under the guise of a "new" game.

Definitely agree with what you’re saying. They definitely went backwards in the series. Even a parallel move would’ve been fine since Charged was so good. 

5 hours ago, Lynda Monica said:

I tend to be a huge sourpuss when I play games for the first time, and little annoying things can bother me way more than they should. Even games I have a good time with tend to spawn foul write ups from me when I first beat them. Something about a blind playthrough makes me anxious, and it makes me react unreasonably poorly to bad segments.

I mention all this because the only game I played that was pure bliss from start to finish was "Dragon Warrior Monsters 2: Tara's Adventure" for Game Boy Color.

It's exactly the kind of game I wish there was way more of, as it's like a completely inoffensive, yet genuinely well written and illustrated children's book. It's also full of spectacular music that soothes the soul, and it sounds so genuine coming from the Game Boy chiming its little heart out.

If I were ever to be in the care of a child, Dragon Warrior Monsters 2 is the first video game I would introduce to them. I'd hope that I could sway their tastes in a positive direction by doing so.

That’s one of my favorite games too. I often tell people dragon warrior monsters is better than Pokémon and they always act like I’m insane. 

10 minutes ago, Jeevan said:

honestly, the wii held itself back

 

I mean you aren’t wrong. The Wii has a lottttt of shovelware but there are some gems like Charged. 

1 hour ago, The Count said:

SMB

SMB2

SMB3

Super Mario World

Mario Kart 64

Stardew Valley

Everblue 2

Gran Turismo 3

Azure Dreams

Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2

Castlevania Symphony of the Night

LoZ: OOT

Diablo II

Pokemon Yellow

LoZ: LTTP

Gain Ground

Goldeneye 007

Metal Gear Solid

Super Mario RPG

NBA Showtime

World Series Baseball '98

Mega Man Legends

Mega Man X

Wolfenstein 

The New Tetris

TMNT: Turtles in Time

Jackass

Bully

GTA III

WCW vs. NWO Revenge

 

Well shoot now I need to pop in azure dreams. What’s the difference between the GBC and PS1 versions? I only have it on GBC

49 minutes ago, Jeevan said:

I have a wii.....don't know if any of the controllers are good lol...I haven't used it since I got bored with the virtual console.

Boy. I will send you a controller if that’s what’s holding you back lol

Seems like the one thing a lot of us agree on is that SMB3 is perfect