Jump to content

Speedy_NES

Member
  • Posts

    163
  • Joined

  • Last visited

  • Feedback

    100%

Posts posted by Speedy_NES

  1. Sounds interesting, I'll be tuning in! Genuinely interested in hearing more about this region.

    I've seen some NES era official Nintendo promotional stuff in a Slavic language (I believe Serbian), which would imply that there was some official Nintendo representation and possibly console distribution in the Balkans, but I've never seen any other evidence so far. Have also travelled the South/East Europe region extensively (every country except Belarus) and never seen a hint of NES era Nintendo history outside of Greece, minus the Pegasus in Poland and misc Famicom bootlegs elsewhere. Greece was a gold mine, though, with the more obscure GPO and GRE coded items and a seemingly complete local unawareness of the collectibility of vintage games. As late as 2016 I was still able to find NES era store displays in use in the main streets of Athens.

  2. Is there a link somewhere with more info on this story? I haven't heard it before and am curious to know more details. Is there information on what the bug was? Does the recall also mean that these Rev-A sealed boxes have creaselines then, if the software was simply swapped? Google wasn't much help in finding answers. Thanks!

  3. Another guide collector here. I exclusively collect NES guides though to keep it sane, as I try to amass a set of all books released incl different print runs. @acidjaguar has helped me enormously with getting some of the last guides from North America (thanks Andrew!!). What I enjoy most about collecting guides is that there is still undocumented territory, especially wrt print runs/variants.

     

  4. If the package has any insurance, you'll most likely need a signed statement from the buyer that the package never arrived despite tracking showing delivered. I would ask for this from the buyer now, while he is still cooperative, just in case you need it later down the line. Or look at the opportunity cost of the time and effort it will take you to recuperate the $20 and just take the loss (or negative). As Cap'n already mentioned, eBay/PayPal will side with you based on tracking.

  5. Thanks for sharing! Another one to track down, I guess. Seems like they started the serials from 0 again when they manufactured the updated logo consoles, and clearly with larger production numbers in mind given the extra character in the serial number. It's still possible that this one came in different packaging, and that they just used a photo of this model for the packaging that we both have. I'll follow this model more closely 🙂

  6. One thing to keep in mind, since I see some replies focused on demand -- these collectibles have a finite, even diminishing supply. Things break over time, are forgotten, enter permanent collections, etc. Patience paid off in the early days of the hobby, because lots of goods were entering the secondary market from original owners. Various long-time collectors sold their collections in recent years and supply was so overwhelming that there was no perceived scarcity for many of the NES titles in CIB format. Demand was certainly down, but the pressure to buy (out of FOMO, for instance) was lower, so existing buyers could postpone. Any sense of a 'hunt' also disappears as a result.

    Even if a large deal of the pandemic purchases are from casual users and not collectors, many of these purchases won't come back into the secondary market (anytime soon). The supply of games coming from original owners is also going down steadily each year. Great examples to benchmark are the more obscure items -- there has been a huge decline in obscure stuff coming from original owners, most of it is coming from other collectors now. I think there are many more FOMO purchases happening, but I don't see these buyers selling anytime soon either unless they went over budget due to FOMO. Supply is not going to replenish as fast as it has in the past and this will certainly have an effect on prices.

    • Like 2
  7. On 6/11/2020 at 6:32 AM, Dr. Morbis said:

    Yeah, my condition standards in the early 2000's were nowhere NEAR the level they are at today.  I hate having to buy titles I already own because a younger version of me didn't care that there was a giant crease on the side of box...

    Same. While condition always mattered to me, I was satisfied with placeholders for some games/variants until finishing the set, and never actively pursued upgrading -- only reactive to good deals I'd stumble across etc. Especially with the growing price disparity based on condition, I have been proactively upgrading lots of NES titles since mid-last year, and also growing my sealed collection where possible -- but clearly not the only one!

  8. 17 hours ago, ThePhleo said:

    I cant think of anything else though. I can almost recall a game with a shirt packin, but I think that was actually an N64 thing?

    There's a Platoon 'variant' with sticker on the box (or seal) for a free t-shirt, maybe that's what you're thinking of?

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Platoon-Nintendo-NES-New-Sealed-Contest-Sticker-Rare-Variant-Mint-Condition/292741016294?hash=item4428b96ae6:g:B6wAAOSwviFbqA-G

  9. 15 hours ago, Joshua Rogers said:

    Weird, it's impossible for me to find that listing on ebay.com. Probably because I'm out of the USA.
    Anyways, very cool. I didn't know such a thing existed.
    Are there any other promotation things like this and Golgo? I don't think there are any in NES regions, only perhaps the pal-b blister pack games.

    There are a bunch in Europe. Couple examples: Super Mario Bros/Duck Hunt Zapper pack, Duck Hunt Zapper pack grey/orange.

    In the US, technically AVE Trolls could be included, as there are versions with a troll, and versions without.

  10. 8 hours ago, Dr. Morbis said:

    This new database should not be fundamentally based on cartridges.  I'm not the one making it, so it's not up to me, but IMHO the best way to do it is to make all primary listings based on game TITLE at the root level, and then within each title entry (ie: Zombie Nation) list all known cartridges, all known boxes, all known manuals, all known inserts, etc, and give it an overall designation such as "Regular release" or "Homebrew" or "Test Cartridge" etc...

    This is how I'd suggest to do it, too, and then use superscripts/footnotes to denote which part belongs to which set(s) of parts.

  11. On 5/10/2020 at 10:38 PM, DoctorEncore said:

    I do admit that I have never seen any strong evidence to indicate the game was recalled, but there is some circumstantial evidence.

    • Reliable sources (Howard Phillips) have indicated that a minimum run of 10,000 cartridges was required by Nintendo for any official release. Phillips also does not recall any sort of special arrangement or release for Stadium Events.
    • We can safely assume that at least a few games sold poorly and only received a single 10,000 unit print run, yet SE is significantly more scarce than any other title. If it received a standard print run, it had to have been recalled after release (or destroyed prior to reaching retail).
    • No non-Nintendo published game was ever released in a limited test market scenario
    • It was purportedly sold in multiple markets indicating a somewhat large initial release
    • Nintendo has always had a strict approval process and would have known everything about the FFF mat and games prior to release. Why would they approve a full release of the mat and FFF Athletic World, but then arrange for a special limited release of the Series 2 game, Stadium Events? More likely someone at Nintendo realized they wanted the mat and series so they stopped shipments of the game and/or recalled it after a standard print run.
    • Tim Atwood's (admittedly blurry) case photo looks like a standard release in every way

    hqdefault.jpg.b700e1483b46cc7fc8ca0a5606d6a439.jpg

    For me, this is enough to support the theory that the game was probably recalled and destroyed or the carts were used as donors for repairs.

    Obviously none of this is concrete, but there is literally zero evidence for a limited print run beyond the fact that such a small number of them exist.

    Just my two cents.

    Not to derail the thread too much into this discussion, but a few thoughts to add to the above;

    10,000 sounds like a large number, but it's very feasible that there was a 10k production run without recall. The best way to benchmark production run is probably to look at similar items where we have an approximate indication of production numbers based on serial number. We can use the following list of rare NES games in collectors' hands, and compare SE vs. Myriad ownership:

    http://archive.nes.science/nintendoage-forums/nintendoage.com/forum/messageviewac39.html?catid=5&threadid=50116

    The list has numerous duplicate listings for Myriad (based on the serial #), but we can assume that the same applies to the SE list (owners selling games w/o notifying OP), so we can ignore that in the comparison. Myriad's highest known number is just under 1000 IIRC, so let's assume 1k production run. There are noticeably more SEs in the list above, roughly 50% more. That might indicate a production run of 1.5K units. But -- if you look at the Myriad serial #s, you'll notice a large share of them being +/- 500. What many probably don't know is that, similar to Cheetahmen II, new old stock of the Myriad game was found late 1990s and sold directly into collector's hands. I believe that those copies had serial #s around 500. This is an event that AFAIK never occurred for Stadium Events (except for the rumored Tim Atwood confidential new old stock sales, which would not be included in the list above anyway), and, if we look at Cheetahmen II, where such an event did occur, we can see that it has a drastic effect on % of produced units in collectors' hands. I therefore believe that the SE-to-Myriad production run ratio of 1.5, based on the above list of units in collector's hands, is underestimated and likely to be higher. 10 to 1 is certainly not impossible. 

    Also, there are various NES-related retail releases (think accessories, for instance) that must have had production runs of at least 1k+, with a handful or less (sometimes just 1 unit) surfacing publicly in the last 15+ years. We also know from serial #s that there are likely to have been around 4000 NES Hands Free units produced, yet far far fewer have been found to date than SE units (and there was even a stash of new old stock Hands Free units found that went straight into collectors' hands).

    To connect the above to the thread --> one slight pet-peeve of mine in the hobby is when collectors try to turn assumptions into facts, especially when motivated to do so for financial gain. Great examples are the existance of only 200 copies of SE, 90 copies of the grey NWC 1990, Blockbuster-exlusive story of Flintstones 2, etc. We all like a good story, but I think it's important that, when sharing those stories, they should not be stated as facts unless there is strong supporting evidence available.

    • Like 7
  12. On 5/11/2020 at 1:15 AM, 315retro said:

    I'd feel infinitely better about trading something(s) for it, but even if I were to trade with one of you lovely trustworthy people, there comes the actual risk of the item getting damaged during shipping. I'd probably prefer to trade it for multiple things, but in the end the resell values for the items would be similar, so thats double the risk. 

    I see some recommendations on insurance etc. While this is obviously the best way to protect yourself as a seller, I just want to throw a note out there that for international transactions, heavily insured packages with premium shipping options tend to be a major draw for customs. Not proposing to defraud customs, but for international transactions, it's much better to reduce any chance of waking up sleeping wolves, since the damage from customs inspection is far worse than any potential risk of damage during shipping. This is particularly important for one-of-a-kind historical pieces etc. I've had issues with this far too often, that I just want to throw this out there.
     

×
×
  • Create New...