Silent Hill

17 hours ago, Californication said:

Omg that is worse than I remember. 

Same, it's one of the toughest things I've tried to read. It's difficult to even see where someone would "read between the lines" and start bathing in Clorox. lol

3 hours ago, MrWunderful said:

1) systemic racism I suppose.  And I bet the worst schools in south central LA or the bronx are still better than the worst in Mississippi.  I went to a great public school, that was less than 40% white.

I'll admit I kind of stopped reading after this point because it seemed to unravel into other topics that aren't really related to my comments.

At a glance though, I'll let you take the win on Tucker Carlson keeping republicans poor, dumb and unhealthy. I'll also give you the W on Antifa not existing and the BLM riots being perpetuated by impressionable conservatives who were funded to wreak havoc. 

To the above though, I'd like to hear your thoughts on why systemic racism is only (or primarily) impacting schools in Democratic areas and not in Red areas. I'd assume the South would have a greater potential for racism. How about the recent story about the kid in Baltimore who was in the top half of his class with a .13 GPA? Surely he wasn't bogged down by "right wing misinformation", right? Surely its just a shit school with no resources failing those kids.

1 hour ago, Californication said:

They slightly exagerrated by saying inject.

You could tell he went into a meeting and someone explained to him how they were using uv light and disinfectants to clean surfaces. And he thought to himself, why don't we use that for people too. And he is so stupid that he truely suggested that on live television. 

You are complaining that they said inject. How many ways can you get disinfectant into your body? You ingest it or inject it. 

I say you follow Trump because you follow his party line messages and are even now defending him, when what he said is indefensible.

How am I defending him? His whole spiel that day was idiotic and anyone who actually attempted to use a household cleaner in that fashion by loosely translating what he was attempting to describe is even more idiotic. 

I'm not even complaining about the term "inject", just used it as a random example of intentional misquoting by the media, which was the initial topic/point. Anyone with half a brain, regardless of political affiliation would know that he was just talking out of his ass, per usual.  

Trump says dumb shit all the time, including the dialog we're discussing, and will continue to do so until the end of his time. Feel better?

PS: I found the transcript of that statement and maybe it's just me, but I'm failing to see where he "suggested" that people use bleach, or other household cleaners on themselves. I read it as how you described: He had conversations with medical professionals on this topic and tried his hardest to pull together a coherent statement in real time. The shit below barely even makes sense the more I read it. lol

A question that probably some of you are thinking of if you’re totally into that world, which I find to be very interesting. So, supposedly we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said that hasn’t been checked, but you’re going to test it. And then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. And I think you said you’re going to test that too. Sounds interesting, right? And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me. So, we’ll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. That’s pretty powerful. Steve, please.

17 hours ago, MrWunderful said:

It’s the entire reason Why Southern states rank the lowest in schooling and wealth. - If that's the entire reason, then why is there so much poverty and educational issues in historically Democratic cities? I'd think with how "correct" the Democratic party is, that this wouldn't be the case. Those cities must face different challenges than Southern cities/states since their political party/media has no responsibility for their downfall?
 

Keep your constituents dumb, poor and unhealthy, and they will take whatever you give them. Get them to hate liberals for whatever reason and you can convince them to vote against their own best interests. - This definitely goes both ways. Swap "liberals" for "republicans" and you're describing the Democratic party. I mean, clearly the Democratic party is just as good at getting Democrats to hate Republicans and there's plenty of "dumb, poor and unhealthy" Democratic voters who take whatever they're given.

16 hours ago, Californication said:

@silenthill,

So you believe the killer was a sex addict and had mental illness and and at the same time you believe what he says is objectively accurate? 

I mean I guess this gives me a better understanding of why you follow Donald Trump.

There were multiple domestic terrorist attacks where the perpetrator said they weren't republican/conservative and that ended up being false. 

And just fyi regarding your other post about the media misrepresenting Trump. I do agree with that statement at times. I disagree with the example of injecting bleach. That was one of the most eye opening, on camera from beginning to end, dumbest thing Trump ever said. 

He literally didn't understand the difference between cleaning surfaces and what could be used in the human body. He was 100% serious. If you can't tell he was serious, bless your heart.

I'm not saying I wholeheartedly believe exactly why he said he did it, but he's clearly insane, so that reasoning isn't outside of the realm of possibility. I just don't have this constant urge to tie this crime back to a political party/person(s) or racism like some do. At best, nobody truly knows at this point so we have to assume that the current motive is accurate until other evidence is presented that points to a different motive. 

Not sure what you're getting at by saying that I "follow" Trump. Just an insult attempt? 

Trump's whole comment, even in context, was definitely uneducated at best. I don't believe for a second that he actually knew what he was rambling about, even if he thought he did. He just didn't flat out say to or suggest that others "inject bleach" which was the only point I was trying to make. It was reported as if he straight up told people to go out and do that and that there was some large swath of people doing it when in reality there was probably less than 50 people in the Country who were stupid enough to actually attempt it. To be fair, it was low-hanging fruit for the Media to jump on.  

10 minutes ago, MrWunderful said:

I agree with everything, except for the “both sides” argument.
 

There is no liberal equivalent to the right wing misinformation machine. No equivalent to 3 hour primetime fake news like Hannity, Carlson, Ingrham- where it is constant negative fear mongering. 

I don't know about "primetime fake news" but there are quite a few examples of left-wing journalism/media stirring the pot with false information, primarily throughout Trump's run. I mean, people still use "inject bleach" and "very fine people" among other quotes way out of context and inaccurately. And how many times do we still have to hear about Trump never denouncing White supremacy?

2 hours ago, MrWunderful said:

Another young man, poisoned by Fox News and religion. Another casualty of the modern right. 
 

I would bet money his dad would stop for rub and tugs at the local massage parlor and then come home and beat his son for masturbating, while telling him he is going to hell for having impure thoughts. 

 

I am saying it is most likely unconscious racism,  as the “sex addiction” is a bullshit cop out. This Kid saw these poor asian women as some exotic pleasure toy that needed to be eliminated to keep himself pure, nothing more than a temptation.  Not a person, an object.

Until no republicans get elected again, this will continue to be a disease that infests America.

 

lol quite the storyteller

4 hours ago, Californication said:

I'm not surprised you don't think this was a crime against asians or haven't taken the time to look at the statistics on the inrease hate crimes against. And I am definetly not surprised you can't correlate trump and the republican partys constant rhetoric against China and other asians as having any influence on this objectively measured increase of violence against asians across the country.

I'm very confused about your reference to BLM. You talk negatively about them all the time, why are you using them as a basis for comparison now? And why does the racism that asians face need to me measured against the racism black people face?

I didn't say it wasn't a crime against Asians, just that racism wasn't said to be the driving factor. I mean, you already went on a rampage why wouldn't you just be honest about why you did it? Clearly the guy has some serious issues and I just don't deny the possibility of sexual addiction to Asian women coupled with mental illness as the driving factor and tying it back to racism solely because of the victim's race, which is what the article (and general media coverage) seemed to do.

And for this situation specifically, I don't see the correlation between "China Virus" and the reason behind the killings. Plus, what are the statistics behind the aggressors in these recent Asian hate crimes? Are they all Trump supporters? Are they all White supremacists? Not sure, but I could see that some percentage of the recent incidents have been related to COVID being tied to China, but not sure how big or small that percentage is. The rest of the incidents are similarly done by lunatics, but with different motives/reasoning.

To the BLM statement, I didn't compare the two, but that article on Democracy Now seemed to. A few statements in there including BLM or the Black community like there's some parallel between the two, which I found odd. Like they were trying to frame the Asian community in a similar fashion. 

18 hours ago, Californication said:

Edit: It was from a Dr. Connie Wun referencing community organizers. She did an interview regarding Atlanta and historical hate crimes against asians the day before last on Democracy Now.

Found that interview and I think it's a bit of a stretch to tie this recent incident to some overarching historic racism against Asians.

It sounds like the reasoning behind the shootings was sexual addiction mixed with mental illness that drove him to that point, not solely a hatred of the Asian race, but that was quickly dismissed and was referred back to white supremacy and phrases like "China Virus" which I think is a bit disingenuous. 

"They said the gentleman said that he was — it was not because of a racial issue. He said it was because of a sex addiction, which is — we all know that’s not true, because of the rhetoric that has been placed all throughout this country, with people thinking that the “China virus” and things like that"

Not sure off hand what the statistics are around the recent crimes against Asians. Were they all done by white people in the name of supremacy/racism? Were they all done because the virus in fact came from China? Just seems like that's what they want the crime to be tied to, even if the culprit said it wasn't. Who's to say what their true motive was?

Regarding calls for increased hate-crime legislation and more police, she does say "And they’ve called in — they’ve called for more policing and surveillance, when community organizers have asked for the complete opposite." but she doesn't seem to expand on this to explain exactly what the "community organizers" are asking for. I also think it's odd when she claims that recent crimes are underreported because "our communities don't trust the criminal justice system". Wonder why their community would feel that way? I'm not aware of a negative disparity for the Asian population as it relates to police or the justice system. Overall it reads like a piggyback off of BLM when I don't think Asians face the same challenges that BLM stands against. 

18 hours ago, Californication said:

I will look for the source.

What is even more interesting, is about two years ago Oakland was all over the news because they had decreased some measurement of their crime by 30%. At the time the drop in crime was being attributed to a new program that (I believe) was paying people with criminal background to try and get ahead somehow. 

Edit: It was from a Dr. Connie Wun referencing community organizers. She did an interview regarding Atlanta and historical hate crimes against asians the day before last on Democracy Now.

Looks like Operation Ceasefire was attributed to the drop in violent crimes, more specifically gang related shootings. Seems to include other local resources in conjunction with police to curb the violence. 

More police definitely isn't a guaranteed recipe for less crime, but there was a spike when resources were low, at least in Oakland's case. It appears that tactically deployed police/resources is a better approach. Not sure if Operation Ceasefire is still in place or if it isn't, and that's causing some of the recent increase in crime. 

On 3/19/2021 at 10:05 PM, Californication said:

On 3/19/2021 at 9:35 PM, avatar! said:

Read the article. This is not about homicide investigations, this is about preventing homicides due to police presence.

Oh even better. More police doesn't equal less crime. Wonder why the asians in Atlant are specifically saying they don't want more police there despite targeted murders?9

Maybe the solution should probably figure why a heavily minority city is has so much tension. I mean minoritys are disproportionately being killed by corona virus, laid off from jobs, following explicit years of political racism they should be calm and quiet.

"At its purest, defund the police....organizers hope will lead to the complete abolition of police departments, prisons, and other carceral systems."

"Organaizers in cities like Oakland insist that these difficult conversations do not represent an impasse that leaves the most vulnerable with difficult options: either keep the police in neighborhoods at current or higher levels or defund and be subject to shootings and higher crime"

- What a shity sentence that encapsulates the whole article. The organizers didn't say anything, so the writer is making a point as if these two stupid options are both real and the only options available.

The article correlates protestimg police to increasing murder rate. Unless the police are angry and killing people I don't understand the correlation.

The Guardian and Vox are liberal garbage.

I'm not saying that by default, the addition of police = less crime, but I wonder what's causing the violent crime spikes in some cities? Why is Minneapolis pushing money back into their system to hire more officers? Not sure what other approach there is to take when crime spikes like that.

You ask a good question around why are these cities experiencing spikes if it's unrelated to police presence. 

PS: Where did you see that the Asian population in Atlanta is dismissing the idea of adding more police? Curious to see why that question was being posed and what their reasoning for declining additional police resources was. 

4 hours ago, Count Hologram said:

WATA has become absolutely atrocious. Only will be using VGA going forward.

Still waiting on a ‘speed run’ order of three games from late Oct 2020.

Their prices have quickly gone up, their service has quickly gone down the toilet.

 

That seems unnormal, even for them. I placed a Speedrun order on 10/16/20 and had the games back before Christmas. 

3 hours ago, avatar! said:

100% of proceeds support charities... Bernie is a class act!

1 hour ago, JamesRobot said:

He is not stating that those businesses are receiving priority based on protected class, rather the priority is to ensure equal access to resources for those businesses. 

I admit it does read like he is giving preferential treatment but the idea is to elevate the struggling classes to a place of equality.  He def could have worded it better.

Has any aid/resource been restricted based on race/gender? I would think that any factors would be non-personal like industry, location, revenue, etc. Seems unreal that, for example, two businesses within the same vicinity would have different access to resources solely based on the owner's race/gender. 

You're right that it's worded terribly and is easily interpreted that white/males are not a part of any "struggling class". 

Anyone know of any further details behind Biden's plan? I'm struggling to see how prioritizing relief/resources based on race and/or gender is a positive thing. 

“Our priority will be Black, Latino, Asian and Native American-owned small businesses, women-owned businesses, and finally having equal access to resources needed to reopen and rebuild. But we’re going to make a concerted effort to help small businesses in low-income communities in big cities, small towns and rural communities that have faced systematic barriers to relief.”

On 1/16/2021 at 6:13 PM, Tulpa said:

 

She's really out of line for saying that the news outlets were the next to have their windows broken. 

Good to see some folks step in and protect him in that clip.

One positive thing I've seen come from this unfortunate event is that the general left seems to have started defending law enforcement again after demonizing them for the last ~7 months. I wonder if the extreme left is applauding the extreme right for this display of violence against law enforcement. 

1 minute ago, cartman said:

20 minutes ago, Hammerfestus said:

You sure do talk about racism a lot.

I wasn't going to i don't think the thread has to be derailed in that direction or other sub-topics in general.

I'll take the hit for derailing by pointing out a racist comment.

27 minutes ago, CodysGameRoom said:

40 minutes ago, Silent Hill said:

Expected reply. 

Though you used Seinfeld, so bonus points are granted. 

I hope it's expected, I already said I wasn't going to debate further. Kudos on the reading comprehension. 

Oh, you mean the comment you made to someone else? Shame on me. 

PS: You chose to reply initially

3 minutes ago, Tulpa said:

8 minutes ago, Silent Hill said:

I think it's relevant to my point- marching on Capitol Hill and breaching aren't even in the same ballpark. Not surprised that it happened, or that you think marching=breach(and overthrow) to the nuts that were out there, all I'm saying is that if Trump stating to march on Capitol Hill was whipping people into a frenzy, then some shit like Maxine Waters spewed whipped some folks up too. 

If you can't see the huge difference in the immediate call for action he did that resulted in the immediate storming of the Capitol, I don't know what to tell you.

Again, you're relying on weasel words to make it seem like there was some sort of equivalency. There isn't.

You can directly trace what he said to what happened.

Again, I'm not denying that whatever he said fueled what was happening (regardless of if people were going to breach with or without his social media statements), I personally don't excuse the quotes I shared just because I don't have a direct trail of proof between their comments and people's actions. I'll just assume that after comments like that, some people somewhere in the country contributed to the unrest. 

1 minute ago, CodysGameRoom said:

Expected reply. 

Though you used Seinfeld, so bonus points are granted. 

1 minute ago, Tulpa said:

Does it matter? He whipped them into a frenzy by saying the election was being stolen that very minute and then set them loose. You can use all the weasel words you want, but at some point it becomes inevitable.

 

I think it's relevant to my point- marching on Capitol Hill and breaching aren't even in the same ballpark. Not surprised that it happened, or that you think marching=breach(and overthrow) to the nuts that were out there, all I'm saying is that if Trump stating to march on Capitol Hill was whipping people into a frenzy, then some shit like Maxine Waters spewed whipped some folks up too. 

1 hour ago, CodysGameRoom said:

1 hour ago, Silent Hill said:

I'll take Racist Statements for $1000, Alex

Flip that statement to another race and you'd be crucified here. 

(RIP Alex Trebek)

White people aren't the minority/marginalized in the US, so by definition that's not a racist comment. Prejudiced maybe. 

Nah, it's racist. Racist comments/stereotypes aren't less racist because it's directed at a skin color that reflects a larger percentage of the population. Don't be choosy, defend all stereotypes/racist comments, or none at all. 

1 hour ago, Tulpa said:

It's a lot harder to call those an immediate call to action vs. a Trump rally being held right near the capitol and Trump telling them to march on said capitol, which they immediately did.

March or breach?

19 hours ago, Kguillemette said:

That's a lot of dusty white people. Did they get lost from their NASCAR tailgate party? The Richmond Raceway is an hour and a half south of DC. Can someone direct them to I95 southbound?

I'll take Racist Statements for $1000, Alex

Flip that statement to another race and you'd be crucified here. 

(RIP Alex Trebek)