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3 minutes ago, MinusWorlds said:

I don’t summarily dismiss VGA. They do a lot of things great. Some things they aren’t qualified to do. Period. I was one of VGA’s biggest supporters for many years. I wrote the guide on NA for how to submit and utilize VGA. I have a great relationship with their employees. Their customer service is outstanding and I believe them to be good people. 

However, when it comes to grading I believe Wata has done it better, they’re more secure, more consistent and have a better ability to identify fakes. That is what I care about. 

I have sold precisely 3 Wata games. 3. And last I checked I’m not getting hundreds of thousands of dollars for those.  

I have also sold prob over a hundred VGA games. And made a good amount on those. So why am I here talking about VGA’s faults? Because I think people need to be a lot more objective and know facts before they try and tear down a company that has bettered the grading part of the hobby. 

Right..  that is exactly my point as well.    Know the facts before tearing down vga also..    I’m not specifically talking about you or this thread.   
 

im talking about the straight year of bashing and absolute hate by wata supporters trying to build up wata reputation.   

3 minutes ago, MrWunderful said:

What talking point?  I discovered that with my own research.  Please explain to me how that is a talking point.

The whole: 

Vga cases you can tamper with. You can open a vga case and put a fake inside (Insert pic of the Wrong game in a vga case here) wata cases are secure..    

That is an anti vga talking point..   I've heard it over and over, and only in anti vga rants.   

1 minute ago, MrWunderful said:

They were VGA graded because that was the only grading company lol.

 

VGA cases dont have the same level of security as the Wata cases.

Ok but they trusted vga with their games.   
You can look up any vga serial number and check it.   You can also look at what you are buying and use your own judgement.   
 

  That is another one of those wata talking points I was talking about.     

Alot of the big collectors that we have seen with the games that are the best in the world...    Almost all were vga graded.   So to dismiss vga sounds silly when they are the ones people trusted grading the best games in the world.  
 

Also it seems like the people that benefitted most by this are the ones that are going great lengths to back this new movement.     I understand it....  They made hundreds of thousands of dollars because of Wata, Heritage, and the news stories created by this.   

20 hours ago, MinusWorlds said:

Plenty of people have that mindset, and that’s okay. It’s okay to prefer VGA. But, when you make it your personal crusade to bring Wata down or bad mouth them at every turn the comparisons need to come up, even if just to highlight and remind people of the benefits Wata brings to the table. 

Guys/Girls - At the end of the day Wata is Deniz and Kenneth. These are our friends. We’ve known them for a decade. I’m sure some of you even helped change Deniz’ diapers (just kidding Deniz, you know I love you). We have joked, shared, and grew a community together. They made Wata out of a desire to advance the hobby they love as much as we do. Why are we so quick to try and tear them down?

Yes the hobby has changed, yes it feels like a business at times, but we all helped get it here. Every one of us. This community started here, we’re all responsible for where we are. I said it before, but I’ll repeat it because I think it’s worth saying again. Without all of us and new collectors coming in over the years this hobby could have died a long time ago. I don’t think any of us want that.

Man...   The amount of  anti vga talking points ive heard from wata supporters through this whole fiasco is clearly THE personal crusade.    It’s been non stop and the majority of people see right through it. 

I get it.   Let’s get this new grading company up and rolling.   Let’s create a group of talking points to get new money into wata instead of vga. 

This thread isn’t even about vga....   there is no need for that.  

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