RickyTheCollector

23 hours ago, Joshua Rogers said:

I have no doubt that this is a legit collaboration between Media and Active Boeki. Unfortunately, I have no information about the SNES in SEA (except for HKG), and I can say I've never seen this before.

Very cool

I don't know, it might be a recycled release brought straight from Nintendo from the looks of it. A rushed one too it seems.

7 hours ago, Joshua Rogers said:

I do not know anything about the SNES or Gameboy in the Middle East. No I no longer have the exact correspondence, this was nearly 6 years ago I guess.

The advertisement of the GB you posted is not "proof" it was available there at all; any importer could have been re-selling Gameboys unofficially from other countries, and that sort of advertisement does not look like an official Nintendo one.

In terms of the Israeli NES, it seems that there were multiple distributors., I haven't looked enough into it. Here's some images I have though (which indicate the SNES was sold there too, but I don't know whether they had hebrew boxes).

On one of the advertisements, it says there's only four games available with Hebrew-translated manuals (i.e. Donkey Kong, Excitebike, Ice Climber, and Super Mario Bros.) 
BTW, there's an ISR version on ebay at the moment: https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/401956554249

Also, please do not spam my email again or I will simply stop responding.

Thank you for all of this. I have a strong feeling though that Alesayi/Dotts could have distributed GameBoy and SNES into the countries though. I also sense that they started bringing in the NES in around 1993. I can also be sure that Itochu at some point started bringing Nintendo products as well, when they started doing so I'm not sure though. See: https://web.archive.org/web/19980205072054/http://www.nintendo.com/corp/companies/middleeast.html And after that, apparently Nintendo's Japanese office started importation into the region: https://web.archive.org/web/20010330121610/http://www.nintendo.com:80/corp/companies/middleeast.html followed by Nintendo Of Europe: https://web.archive.org/web/20011211041558/http://www.nintendo.com:80/corp/companies/middleeast.html Nowadays the distributor for this region is Active Boeki, who have a mixed distribution system of importing both European and U.S. products, and in some rare cases Asian products, in the following countries, UAE, to which the Active Gulf branch is situated, Oman, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, and Kuwait. Also regarding the Gameboy ad, you just never know the story behind it, chances are that it is official, for which I think it is.

Thank you for all of this. I have a strong feeling though that Alesayi/Dotts could have distributed GameBoy and SNES into the countries though. I also sense that they started bringing in the NES in around 1993. I can also be sure that Itochu at some point started bringing Nintendo products as well, when they started doing so I'm not sure though. See: https://web.archive.org/web/19980205072054/http://www.nintendo.com/corp/companies/middleeast.html And after that, apparently Nintendo's Japanese office started importation into the region: https://web.archive.org/web/20010330121610/http://www.nintendo.com:80/corp/companies/middleeast.html followed by Nintendo Of Europe: https://web.archive.org/web/20011211041558/http://www.nintendo.com:80/corp/companies/middleeast.html Nowadays the distributor for this region is Active Boeki, who have a mixed distribution system of importing both European and U.S. products, and in some rare cases Asian products, in the following countries, UAE, to which the Active Gulf branch is situated, Oman, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, and Kuwait. Also regarding the Gameboy ad, you just never know the story behind it, chances are that it is official, for which I think it is.

And as a side note, you should really consider sending this over to the folks at consolevariations.com

And notice how it says, "For sale and use only in Singapore, Indonesia, Malaysia only" and how the box is a localized variant of the German and GPS variants of the Console. So pretty much a recycled release from two viewpoints. Pretty cool what you have there though mate!

7 hours ago, Joshua Rogers said:

Are we really discussing the GPS region again? The first time I read about this region was back on NA probably around 10 years ago.

We've already established it certainly does not mean Greece/Portugal/Spain for multiple reasons. GPS it just for the "global pal region" so-to-speak. This GPS code is also used for the NES and Gameboy, by the way.

On the topic of the NES in the Middle East, I can confirm that the NES was sold in this region officially.

Years ago, I was shown old NES stock from Saudi Arabia. This console was nothing like I've ever seen before, and I had never seen this box in the English language (minus the South African version, which is slightly different). The console's box has the code NES-CDSM-GPO. The game has NES-CDSM-GPS. "GPO" is clearly the "console version" of GPS (NES-CDSM-... is the the standard code for the control deck+SMB set that this box is). It is also the only box from Nintendo that includes the text "This product is designed for operation only in designated regions" – I.E. without specifying the exact region. The console itself has the "HOL" sticker (Holland) on the bottom, and has an incredibly high serial number.

Based on my research and conversation with the person selling that old stock, I came to believe the following:
In Saudi Arabia, the GPO console was distributed by Dotts(Alesayi; They seem to have gone by Alesayi United, Dotts-Electronics, and “Dotts”. See http://www.smspower.org/forums/4981-AlteredBeastAndOtherGamesInArabic for discussion
and http://www.alesayi.ae/profile.html), who was also the exclusive distributor of Sega consoles in many parts of the middle east from 1992 until 1995. Unlike for the Sega products that Dotts released, which included translated Arabic manuals (as well as consoles, specifically for Saudi Arabia, using the non-standard 127V) , the NES games and consoles saw no additions for translated manuals or the like.

Previously, I have been sent this photo, supposedly coming from Egypt (which I have no reason not to believe):

However, I had no further information.

However, a few days ago, my friend sent me this:

This is clearly advertising material for the NES in – at least – Egypt.

This photo came from a collector in Dubai. The same collector also has a has an English-text "European Version" NES: https://www.facebook.com/dubairetrogames/photos/2807714345934162

So, in total, we have seen these NES' in: Saudi Arabia, UAE, and Egypt. That's all I know about the NES in these regions for now.

But what about the Gameboy and the SNES? Can you also hit me up on the ad I posted earlier, I reckon  must have come from the one of the distributors in the countries mentioned. Also you seem to have some precious information regarding Israel, which is technically a part of the Middle East?

Do you also have an archive of the seller you talked to and his reply for reference?

6 hours ago, Joshua Rogers said:

Are we really discussing the GPS region again? The first time I read about this region was back on NA probably around 10 years ago.

We've already established it certainly does not mean Greece/Portugal/Spain for multiple reasons. GPS it just for the "global pal region" so-to-speak. This GPS code is also used for the NES and Gameboy, by the way.

On the topic of the NES in the Middle East, I can confirm that the NES was sold in this region officially.

Years ago, I was shown old NES stock from Saudi Arabia. This console was nothing like I've ever seen before, and I had never seen this box in the English language (minus the South African version, which is slightly different). The console's box has the code NES-CDSM-GPO. The game has NES-CDSM-GPS. "GPO" is clearly the "console version" of GPS (NES-CDSM-... is the the standard code for the control deck+SMB set that this box is). It is also the only box from Nintendo that includes the text "This product is designed for operation only in designated regions" – I.E. without specifying the exact region. The console itself has the "HOL" sticker (Holland) on the bottom, and has an incredibly high serial number.

Based on my research and conversation with the person selling that old stock, I came to believe the following:
In Saudi Arabia, the GPO console was distributed by Dotts(Alesayi; They seem to have gone by Alesayi United, Dotts-Electronics, and “Dotts”. See http://www.smspower.org/forums/4981-AlteredBeastAndOtherGamesInArabic for discussion
and http://www.alesayi.ae/profile.html), who was also the exclusive distributor of Sega consoles in many parts of the middle east from 1992 until 1995. Unlike for the Sega products that Dotts released, which included translated Arabic manuals (as well as consoles, specifically for Saudi Arabia, using the non-standard 127V) , the NES games and consoles saw no additions for translated manuals or the like.

Previously, I have been sent this photo, supposedly coming from Egypt (which I have no reason not to believe):

However, I had no further information.

However, a few days ago, my friend sent me this:

This is clearly advertising material for the NES in – at least – Egypt.

This photo came from a collector in Dubai. The same collector also has a has an English-text "European Version" NES: https://www.facebook.com/dubairetrogames/photos/2807714345934162

So, in total, we have seen these NES' in: Saudi Arabia, UAE, and Egypt. That's all I know about the NES in these regions for now.

Dude that is spot on. This pretty much covers most of my curiosities regarding the NES in that region.

14 hours ago, fcgamer said:

This isn't exactly what you're looking for, but I suspect it's closer to the truth of what the plebs were gaming on, back in the day (very old article, sorry for any mistakes or poor writing. I'm actually dealing with a middle eastern customer now, I'll ask him about it if I get the chance)

https://fcgamer.wordpress.com/2014/11/22/famicom-in-the-middle-east/

Whether Nintendo released official stuff or not I think is irrelevant; this is the sort of stuff that actual people used.

The Majid translation is super popular, Ive had dozens of people from the region wanting to buy that multicart from me over the years.

Then there's the fact that a Taiwanense company actually translated a game into Arabic...a first on Nintendo, aside from the Captain Tsubasa translation and the educational carts.

Thing is, even if they did have their own official releases, it's likely most people weren't playing on those. In the past few years an official polish region was discovered, I showed several Polish collector friends, they all were clueless about it and thought it was fake.  It'll likely be a similar situation here.

Edit: so that would make the games extremely rare, but also historically insignificant imo.

So now we can conclude that this was one out of the dozen other regions that have had their NES beaten by a low quality bootleg Chinese rip-off. Oh well, I guess price was key at the time  and I'm still not ruling out the possibility that the NES was one of the Nintendo consoles officially released in there.

Here's a box art that belongs to a SNES GPS game, in this case Wario's Woods (SNSP-65-GPS).

I'm not going to turn this discussion to one referring wholly to the GPS code, but again it is highly likely that it was imported to this region. 

As we can see here this is taken from the German cover (which in turn borrows many elements from the North American one) complete with a column on the bottom referring to the origin of the product (Grossostheim (old address for European headquarters it is now based in Frankfurt), Germany, Nintendo Of Europe, and CE label). Note that everything in the package is in English, including documentation.

So just for reference, I'm going to put up a list of all the countries were GPS consoles and games are known to my knowledge to have happened to be distributed in some way or form. It is most likely missing a few, as it is partly based on recent findings.

In Europe:

*Portugal

*Italy (Some cases)

*Croatia

*Greece 

*Netherlands (Very minimal instances. A number of them though were said to have been imported, officially or not I do not know. There were copies of the NES game Mario and Yoshi that had this labelling with black and white dutch/french manual and was known to have been sold in this country by the official distributor (Bandai). Own code = HOL or FAH, shared with France. )

*Spain (Again very rare instances where they would just slap in a cheap manual of the countries native language, own code ESP, which most games used).

*Sweden and Scandinavia (Same story as previous two territories, own code SCN)

Outside of Europe

*Australia (Perhaps for one games only, Killer Instinct for the SNES. It is known that the firm Novagroup were in contact with Nintendo Europe to import some of their games into here, which is quite odd considering: A. that the Australian base for Nintendo has been in operation from 1993 and that B. some European games were already being imported by them. Oddly from the looks of it it does not seem to even bear the rating system for the country at the time. That and GPS Game Boy systems are the only two European related items known to have been imported by Nova Group however I think that it is very likely that there are more distributed by them.)

*South Africa (A variant of this code was released for the NES which bears SAF coding. All games, including for other consoles, were GPS though.)

*Egypt (although I'm not so sure about this one)

*Israel

*Middle East/Gulf regions (Presumably) 

Do hit me up if I'm obviously missing a few.

It is highly likely that they must have also used GPS cartridges for the SNES (and maybe even Game Boy). Thing is, no one knows what this code might suggest, however, what I do know is that this code was used for PAL regions that have a very minimal market for games, some outside of Europe, like in the Middle East. In other words, regions that Nintendo did not care very much about. A very specific number of games used this code, mainly games from Nintendo (AFAIK some Konami ones too, eg. Prince of Persia). They are very rare. Here's an example of a GPS cart:

Let me start off in saying that I am a collector who is also interested in knowing about gaming in the lesser known areas of the world. I am now looking at the Middle East. However, info is surprisingly scarce, and I need help knowing about Nintendo in that region from say, early 1980's till the late 90's. I did find some valuable info, although very little. Question is what HAVE I found?

So upon trying to do some research about the matter that we are talking about, I came across THIS!

It's meh, it isn't much, but at least it's something

Well now we now that Game Boy was at least released there.

Question is, who released it?

So here's what I think. My guess is that it was maybe distributed from the UAE by Itochu (what I do know is that they certainly did carry out this job from 1997 till 1998, short break from that year until Nintendo Japan decided to carry out distribution themselves to the Middle East from 2000, I have some sources if you want!) so that's some good info to keep going? Need more info though. So just to recap, I want to know:

1. The distributor(s) involved?

2. A brief history/the beginnings of Nintendo in this area (was the NES actually released in the UAE/Gulf regions?).

3. The fate of their entry into market (failures by clones, etc.)

4. Some more ads hopefully? (I'm a sucker for promotion of old consoles)

Thank you and See ya!