DoctorEncore | 3,690 Posted November 17, 2019 Author Share Posted November 17, 2019 10 hours ago, 0xDEAFC0DE said: I tried to see how many scans I could find for the 5 manuals for Zelda 2 I know of. But, along the way I discovered another I didn't know about (the fourth below). The first 4 have no star, circle T, or RPTV warning. The next one has I think has the star code and the small RPTV warning at the bottom of page 1. The last one has the circle T and the full page RPTV and epilepsy warning on page 48. Manual Scan Link Circle SOQ No scan found, ebay pictures with copyright page https://www.ebay.com/itm/264494824566 Oval TM SOQ, 5-zip https://www.retrogames.cz/manualy/NES/NintendoNESTheLegendofZeldaII-TheAdventureofLink.pdf Oval TM SOQ, 9-zip, no star No scan found Oval R SOQ, 9-zip, no star http://www.thegameisafootarcade.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Zelda-II-The-Adventure-of-Link-Game-Manual.pdf Oval R SOQ, 9-zip, star No scan found, ebay pictures with part of the copyright page https://www.ebay.com/itm/174090547854 Classic Series https://www.gamingalexandria.com/highquality/NES/Adventure%20of%20Link,%20The/Adventure%20of%20Link,%20The%20%5bNES-AL-USA-1%5d%20-%20Manual.pdf EDIT: I forgot to note that the transition to the star manual happened after the switch to the Oval R seal. Zelda 1 is the opposite with a Oval TM seal and star code manual. Nice detective work. I'm starting to think the star could mean there is a small transition statement for projections TVs, but we need some more research and pics. I will look through Little Nemo and Play Action Football again today. Those both shipped with star manuals on the initial print. Play Action also has a Circle-T which really confused things, then lost the star on reprint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePhleo | 2,184 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 (edited) :V that’s what I was saying... * and (T) mean the exact same thing. My full theory: 1. -USA* and (T) mean that there is a rear projection TV warning in the manual. 2. -USA* manuals are for games that were released before the inclusion of RPTV warning in the manual. These games should be reprints rather than unique original releases. 3. (T) manuals are for games that were released AFTER the RPTV warning was printed in the document by default. 4. There should be no manuals with -USA* AND a (T) on the same manual. But there may be variants with them separate. Edited November 17, 2019 by ThePhleo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Code Monkey | 2,005 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 I went through my first of three bins of manuals and here's what I found so far. Star Code: 1943 A Nightmare On Elm Street Battle Chess Bigfoot Blades Of Steel Cabal California Games Championship Bowling Code Name Viper Crystalis Dick Tracy Disney's Chip And Dale Rescue Rangers Goal! Gremlins 2 Heavy Barrel Circle T: Golf Grand Slam Galaxy 5000 Formula One: Built To Win Flight Of The Intruder Family Feud Dragon's Lair Double Dragon III Disney's The Little Mermaid Disney's Tale Spin Disney's Darkwing Duck Caveman Games Castelian Captain America And The Avengers Break Time: The National Pool Tour Race America Adventure Island II Advanced Dungeons And Dragons: Heroes Of The Lance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoctorEncore | 3,690 Posted November 17, 2019 Author Share Posted November 17, 2019 (edited) No definitive answer from Play Action and Little Nemo. Play Action is SOQ R and has star and Circle-T on the manual cover. It does NOT have the additional Nintendo assurance statement and DOES have the long projection warning. Spoiler little Nemo is SOQ R and has star only on the manual cover. It has a weird very small Nintendo assurance statement without the extra statement seen on some games. It DOES NOT have the long projection warning, instead using a small projection warning at the bottom of the Table of Contents. Spoiler Edited November 17, 2019 by DoctorEncore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Code Monkey | 2,005 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Do you need another sealed Play Action Football? There's one at a pawn shop here for $25. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoctorEncore | 3,690 Posted November 17, 2019 Author Share Posted November 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Code Monkey said: Do you need another sealed Play Action Football? There's one at a pawn shop here for $25. No, but thanks for offering. I just need the red 4 version and I can get it on eBay for under $20 shipped. It won't offer much clarity here, but I need it for my variant collection anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoctorEncore | 3,690 Posted November 17, 2019 Author Share Posted November 17, 2019 (edited) 40 minutes ago, ThePhleo said: :V that’s what I was saying... * and (T) mean the exact same thing. My full theory: 1. -USA* and (T) mean that there is a rear projection TV warning in the manual. 2. -USA* manuals are for games that were released before the inclusion of RPTV warning in the manual. These games should be reprints rather than unique original releases. 3. (T) manuals are for games that were released AFTER the RPTV warning was printed in the document by default. 4. There should be no manuals with -USA* AND a (T) on the same manual. But there may be variants with them separate. Well, we definitively have NES Play Action Football (White 4 Version) with both a * and Circle-T on the manual (pictured above). The question is, is this an exception? A mistake? Or does the star mean something else? With a little more digging, I think we will know for sure. That being said, I agree that the star is probably supposed to indicate the brief projection warning as seen in the Little Nemo pictures I just posted. If @Code Monkey or I look through our huge manual collections, we will probably be able to confirm. Edited November 17, 2019 by DoctorEncore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Code Monkey | 2,005 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 13 minutes ago, DoctorEncore said: No, but thanks for offering. I just need the red 4 version and I can get it on eBay for under $20 shipped. It won't offer much clarity here, but I need it for my variant collection anyways. One of these? I have an extra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoctorEncore | 3,690 Posted November 17, 2019 Author Share Posted November 17, 2019 15 minutes ago, Code Monkey said: One of these? I have an extra. Yeah the versions on the left, but I need the box and game, so I'm buying CIB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePhleo | 2,184 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Any way to get a full scan of those two different NES Football manuals? I’d love to do a pixel for pixel examination of each page and see what differences there are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoctorEncore | 3,690 Posted November 17, 2019 Author Share Posted November 17, 2019 On 11/3/2019 at 5:22 PM, DoctorEncore said: Yeah that seems correct. I'll have to get my red 4 version to confirm everything. I did find a pic of the inside of the first page of the manual and it is different. It adds a disclaimer statement. The star manual has the rear projection warning at the back. 15 minutes ago, ThePhleo said: Any way to get a full scan of those two different NES Football manuals? I’d love to do a pixel for pixel examination of each page and see what differences there are. If you go back a little further in this thread, you'll see the post above. The only difference I know for sure is the additional Nintendo assurance/warning as pictured. I suspect the rest of the manual is exactly the same. But I don't personally have both to compare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Code Monkey | 2,005 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Code Monkey | 2,005 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 I'd upload the rest (including a page with another difference) but I get an error that I'm only allowed to upload 14.65 mebibytes. Why can't I upload more than 4 photos? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austin532 | 467 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Maybe Play Action Football is not the best manual to compare as I feel like the star on the first print might be a mistake. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0xDEAFC0DE | 1,277 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 (edited) I found scans for both variants of Play Action Football. Star Code: https://www.gamingalexandria.com/highquality/NES/NES Play Action Football/NES Play Action Football - Manual.pdf No Star Code: http://www.thegameisafootarcade.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/NES-Play-Action-Football-Game-Manual.pdf Edit: I just realized the Star manual was scaned unbound so the page order is weird. Edited November 17, 2019 by 0xDEAFC0DE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Code Monkey | 2,005 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 7 minutes ago, 0xDEAFC0DE said: I found scans for both variants of Play Action Football. Star Code: https://www.gamingalexandria.com/highquality/NES/NES Play Action Football/NES Play Action Football - Manual.pdf No Star Code: http://www.thegameisafootarcade.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/NES-Play-Action-Football-Game-Manual.pdf The scan is completely wrong, he has mages 5 and 36 next to each other. Others he has inserted blank pages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0xDEAFC0DE | 1,277 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Code Monkey said: The scan is completely wrong, he has mages 5 and 36 next to each other. Others he has inserted blank pages. See my edit. That scan was taken with the pages unbound, so the first page is paired up with the last page, and so on. The scan itself looks good though, it just has an annoying page order. Anyway, I went through the whole thing and saw only three differences: the cover, page 1 with the addition of the "All products are licensed..." at the bottom of page 1, and a redone 90-day limited warranty page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0xDEAFC0DE | 1,277 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 I am noticing a trend with the Circle T. They all have this at the bottom of page 1. Quote All Nintendo products are licensed by sale for use only with other authorized products bearing the Official Nintendo Seal of Quality™. I've not seen any no star, Circle T manual with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoctorEncore | 3,690 Posted November 17, 2019 Author Share Posted November 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Code Monkey said: I'd upload the rest (including a page with another difference) but I get an error that I'm only allowed to upload 14.65 mebibytes. Why can't I upload more than 4 photos? Unfortunately there is an attachment size limit per post. You'd be better off uploading to imgur and then copy/pasting or drag/dropping. 25 minutes ago, 0xDEAFC0DE said: I am noticing a trend with the Circle T. They all have this at the bottom of page 1. I've not seen any no star, Circle T manual with that. I've noticed this as well. Will eventually update original post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0xDEAFC0DE | 1,277 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 11 minutes ago, DoctorEncore said: I've noticed this as well. Will eventually update original post. Ah, nevermind. I looked through my Adventure Island II manual (circle T, no star) and didn't find the "All products are licensed..." text. It does have the full page RPTV warning. Also found the scan online for reference: https://www.gamingalexandria.com/highquality/NES/Adventure Island II/Adventure Island II - Manual.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Code Monkey | 2,005 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Does every star code manual have a non-star code manual? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0xDEAFC0DE | 1,277 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 My Castlevania III manual is pretty much the same as my Adventure Island II manual. But, I noticed something else strange. I would have thought that all of the later releases would have the RPTV warning, especially first party ones. But, my Zoda's Revenge: StarTropics II manual has neither the circle T or a star. Looking though it, it doesn't have the RPTV warning although it does have "All products are licensed..." text. StarTropics II was a first party game released on March 1994, so I don't know what's going on here. Link to scan (https://www.gamingalexandria.com/highquality/NES/Zoda's%20Revenge%20-%20StarTropics%20II/Zoda's%20Revenge%20-%20StarTropics%20II%20-%20Manual.pdf). I checked Wario's Woods and it's the same (unrelated, it has an ESRB rating in the manual which looks really out of place). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Code Monkey | 2,005 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Star: Hollywood Squares Hoops Ivan Ironman Stewart's Super Off-Road Jack Nicklaus' Greatest 18 Holes Of Major Championship Golf Jeopardy: Junior Edition Journey To Silius Kickle Cubicle Little Nemo The Dream Master Loopz Low G Man N.A.R.C. NES Play Action Football NFL Ninja Gaiden Phantom Fighter Punch Out!! Circle T: High Speed Home Alone Home Alone 2 Hudson Hawk Ikari Warriors III Jackie Chan Joe & Mac Maniac Mansion Mega Man 3 Mega Man 5 Metal Mech Mission Impossible Monster Truck Rally NES Open Tournament Golf NES Play Action Football Ninja Crusaders Nintendo World Cup North And South Palamedes Paperboy 2 Pirates! Power Punch II Prince Of Persia Puzznic Kabuki Quantum Fighter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoctorEncore | 3,690 Posted November 17, 2019 Author Share Posted November 17, 2019 17 minutes ago, Code Monkey said: Does every star code manual have a non-star code manual? No. Little Nemo does not appear to have a no-star version of the manual. Alternatively, Play Action Football (white 4 version) had a star which was removed for the revision (red 4 version). It's all a bit wacky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0xDEAFC0DE | 1,277 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 (edited) Did some more research and checked every manual of games released 1993 and on. I used http://www.digitpress.com/library/manuals/nes/ as my reference. It looks like around July 1983 is when they stopped using the circle T. All the manuals after that had no Circle T and no RPTV warning (except The Addams Family: Pugsley's Scavenger Hunt which has both). Here's the list of games with the Circle T, all of which have the RPTV warning. Break Time: The National Pool Tour Advanced Dungeons & Dragons: Hillsfar Bomberman II Fire 'n Ice Bases Loaded 4 Casino Kid 2 Kid Klown in Night Mayor World Lethal Weapon Tiny Toon Adventures 2: Trouble in Wackyland Battletoads & Double Dragon Cool World DuckTales 2 Color a Dinosaur The Addams Family: Pugsley's Scavenger Hunt However, there was a scattering of manuals before June 1993 that didn't have the circle T. All of these do have the RPTV warning has well. Rollerblade Racer Alien3 Mickey's Safari in Letterland Zen the Intergalactic Ninja Yoshi's Cookie Kirby's Adventure I don't see any patterns in these games. Yoshi's Cookie and Kirby's Adventure are both first party too. For reference here's Yoshi's Cookie: http://www.digitpress.com/library/manuals/nes/Yoshi's%20Cookie.pdf Edited November 19, 2019 by 0xDEAFC0DE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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