MrWunderful | 2,927 Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 Someone come get Ted Cruz’s speech writer, hes wasted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fcgamer | 4,723 Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 @arch_8ngel : Thanks. I never had any student loans simply from the fact that my brother has autism and my parents decided to pay for my college education since they could afford it, and had paid for his (no way my brother could afford it); for this I recognise that I was VERY fortunate, though it also came with (reasonable) limitations. i went to a state school, in my state. I actually blame this partially for my desire to run away to Asia when I got out of uni. My parents are well off, but they told me if I wanted to go anywhere other than a state school in my state, I was on my own, would have to apply for scholarships. I looked in other places, but received no funding, one of the reasons likely being that my parents are wealthy, despite me being dirt poor. So I went to a state school. I think the education was good, BUT the areas of study were much less specialised, so I ultimately studied English, for example, though I would have preferred comp lit or linguistics. The same situation deterred me from going to grad school, though I desperately wanted to (and still do). This actually still has lasting effects, despite living in Taiwan. Without that degree, I can't move up to better jobs, unless I start my own business. i made my choices and sacrifices based on not wanting to take out student loans, though I had considered it multiple times, even many of my professors felt I should go on further in academia, as they felt my ability quite good. So to have a bunch of riffraff taking out loans, living the dream and then getting their foolish decisions forgiven, all the while I made sacrifices , yeah that would piss me off a lot. Especially since they would be rewarded for their bad choices, technically be ahead of me in terms of jobs and pay (should they come here, for example), and that I'd likely be paying taxes to pay them...yeah, f that hard. If forgiveness would occur, I guess you can see I'd be bitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fcgamer | 4,723 Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 Different note: when I studied in Germany for a semester (which I funded myself), I remember Angela Merkel coming to the uni town I was studying at, to give a speech , as people were pissed the tuition of Germany Universities had been raised to about $450 USD...it was laughable to me. I definitely feel that education should be socialised, but I can't accept the loan forgiveness bit, as I made wise sacrifices. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammerfestus | 3,835 Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 25 minutes ago, fcgamer said: Different note: when I studied in Germany for a semester (which I funded myself), I remember Angela Merkel coming to the uni town I was studying at, to give a speech , as people were pissed the tuition of Germany Universities had been raised to about $450 USD...it was laughable to me. I definitely feel that education should be socialised, but I can't accept the loan forgiveness bit, as I made wise sacrifices. Ha! That’s so funny you mention that. I remember when that happened. I spent a year studying at the University of Leipzig from ‘06 - ‘07. Everyone was up in arms about it and they were getting no sympathy from me. Oh, the number of jaws that dropped when I told the how much it was costing me a semester. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fcgamer | 4,723 Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 13 minutes ago, Hammerfestus said: Ha! That’s so funny you mention that. I remember when that happened. I spent a year studying at the University of Leipzig from ‘06 - ‘07. Everyone was up in arms about it and they were getting no sympathy from me. Oh, the number of jaws that dropped when I told the how much it was costing me a semester. I was at Marburg in 07. VGS German club anyone? I still have one of the posters from when she came to Marburg, after the event I ripped it off a building, it's hanging in my bedroom back in the States. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammerfestus | 3,835 Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 1 hour ago, fcgamer said: I was at Marburg in 07. VGS German club anyone? I still have one of the posters from when she came to Marburg, after the event I ripped it off a building, it's hanging in my bedroom back in the States. Aww hell yeah 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Californication | 1,477 Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 The fed is writing off corporate debt every day. They are purchasing junk bonds from corporations. Corporations sold bonds, received the money, and the government is purchasing those bonds so the company's no longer have that debt burden. No one is complaining about this all the conservatives and liberal democrats aren't complaining. It is almost like people hear that another person could be helped and it bothers them. Like when people hear a company is being helped they cannot relate to it, but if it is a person being helped, oh we can't have that. I'm not getting anything. If I'm not getting anything no one should get anything. Except this would be huge for the economy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodysGameRoom | 2,008 Posted February 27, 2021 Author Share Posted February 27, 2021 2 hours ago, fcgamer said: So to have a bunch of riffraff taking out loans, living the dream and then getting their foolish decisions forgiven, all the while I made sacrifices , yeah that would piss me off a lot. Especially since they would be rewarded for their bad choices, technically be ahead of me in terms of jobs and pay (should they come here, for example), and that I'd likely be paying taxes to pay them...yeah, f that hard. I understand it can seem difficult to let go of these selfish thoughts and tendencies, but you should. Think about the greater good this relief could accomplish. Don't think about whose "ahead" or "behind", think about our society as a whole. We should be happy when our fellow citizens "live the dream", and not feel contempt or jealousy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fcgamer | 4,723 Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 4 hours ago, CodysGameRoom said: I understand it can seem difficult to let go of these selfish thoughts and tendencies, but you should. Think about the greater good this relief could accomplish. Don't think about whose "ahead" or "behind", think about our society as a whole. We should be happy when our fellow citizens "live the dream", and not feel contempt or jealousy. Not gonna happen buddy. People not taking responsibility for loans they agreed to the terms of is not helping any greater good, and expecting others to foot that bill as they beg for loan forgiveness is selfish on their part. I'd be all for changing the structure going forward, but regarding the loan forgiveness bit, yeah there's no greater good to be found in those waters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Californication | 1,477 Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, fcgamer said: Not gonna happen buddy. People not taking responsibility for loans they agreed to the terms of is not helping any greater good, and expecting others to foot that bill as they beg for loan forgiveness is selfish on their part. I'd be all for changing the structure going forward, but regarding the loan forgiveness bit, yeah there's no greater good to be found in those waters. A. Everyone agrees to the economics impact it would have. B. There is no bill to foot. Not sure what you are talking about. The material portions of the debt are government receivables. Edited February 27, 2021 by Californication 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avatar! | 1,809 Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 Yes, please defeat the useless moron known as Marjorie Taylor Greene!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kguillemette | 1,544 Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 Gonna be an uphill battle for any democrat to beat her. I was hoping it was a strong republican challenger. She gots to go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulpa | 3,492 Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 Yeah, I can't see her getting ousted by a Democrat. While Georgia has been trending blue, her district is deep red Appalachia. Would be nice if a sane(r) Republican primaried her two years from now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arch_8ngel | 1,597 Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 24 minutes ago, Tulpa said: Yeah, I can't see her getting ousted by a Democrat. While Georgia has been trending blue, her district is deep red Appalachia. Would be nice if a sane(r) Republican primaried her two years from now. The tragic irony of poor white rural Americans continuing to vote against their rational self interest 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulpa | 3,492 Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 https://www.newsweek.com/mike-lindell-mypillow-cpac-boycott-1572778?amp=1 Mike Lindell, the CEO of MyPillow, has claimed more than 20 retailers have now pulled his products from sale, during wider comments on "cancel culture" at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kguillemette | 1,544 Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 8 hours ago, Tulpa said: https://www.newsweek.com/mike-lindell-mypillow-cpac-boycott-1572778?amp=1 Mike Lindell, the CEO of MyPillow, has claimed more than 20 retailers have now pulled his products from sale, during wider comments on "cancel culture" at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC). It's really too bad if he kills his business because he can't keep his mouth shut. If I were an employee for My Pillow, I'd be keeping my resume updated. 1500 people depend on him to run the company effectively. If he wants to pursue political commentary, he should resign and turn the company over to someone else to give the 1500 people who work for him some actual job security. It's foolish to act like the push back for spouting out nonsense on TV and the internet only affects himself. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Californication | 1,477 Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 12 hours ago, arch_8ngel said: The tragic irony of poor white rural Americans continuing to vote against their rational self interest It's not just conservatives. Liberal Democrats that do not want student debt forgiveness are voting against their economic interest also the election of Joe Biden which means no material healthcare legislation will be passed was a vote against many peoples economic self interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arch_8ngel | 1,597 Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Californication said: It's not just conservatives. Liberal Democrats that do not want student debt forgiveness are voting against their economic interest also the election of Joe Biden which means no material healthcare legislation will be passed was a vote against many peoples economic self interest. I don't think you are correct about the student debt forgiveness issue being as clearly in the self-interest of the majority as you believe. (though that is the one of the two issue you mention that the president could handle independently) And we have some time for the healthcare legislation issue to get sorted out -- though this is not an issue that the president has substantial control over, beyond the ability to veto legislation. That issue is much more about the Senate and House than it is about which democrat was elected president. And overriding both issues you mention -- the clear rational self interest that was the overriding factor in the 2020 election was the removal of Trump and his lackeys. Nobody gets everything they want -- and if it was going to be no-contest to beat Trump, then yes, there were probably quite a few people that voted for Biden that would have been happier with Sanders. But it was a real risk whether anyone other than a fairly moderate democrat would have the national ability to beat Trump decisively. And since it is directly knowable that Trump wouldn't do fuck-all on either issue you mention, people had to decide on the least-bad strategy. Edited March 2, 2021 by arch_8ngel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Californication | 1,477 Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 (edited) 25 minutes ago, arch_8ngel said: I don't think you are correct about the student debt forgiveness issue being as clearly in the self-interest of the majority as you believe. (though that is the one of the two issue you mention that the president could handle independently) And we have some time for the healthcare legislation issue to get sorted out -- though this is not an issue that the president has substantial control over, beyond the ability to veto legislation. That issue is much more about the Senate and House than it is about which democrat was elected president. And overriding both issues you mention -- the clear rational self interest that was the overriding factor in the 2020 election was the removal of Trump and his lackeys. Nobody gets everything they want -- and if it was going to be no-contest to beat Trump, then yes, there were probably quite a few people that voted for Biden that would have been happier with Sanders. But it was a real risk whether anyone other than a fairly moderate democrat would have the national ability to beat Trump decisively. And since it is directly knowable that Trump wouldn't do fuck-all on either issue you mention, people had to decide on the least-bad strategy. Student debt forgiveness is a bottom up economic stimulus - the only losers are banks. Biden has said he will veto healthcare legislation. And even if he doesn't he will not put energy behind it because of his disdain for the issue. Your second point is a little bit of a pivot, but I agree that getting Trunp out of office was at the for front of peoples minds. I do not agree that Biden was the only person that could do it. Joe Biden was a ham sandwhich in the primary. Voters were turning out for Sanders until every other democratic candidate simultaneoulsy dropped out and pushed their support to Biden which voters listened to. Edit: Also, if as you said dems were worried about getting Trump out of office they would vote for any Dem in the primary. So to get back to my main point dems. listened to the moderate candidates and voted against the one candidate that one help them economically. Edited March 2, 2021 by Californication Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arch_8ngel | 1,597 Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 9 minutes ago, Californication said: Student debt forgiveness is a bottom up economic stimulus - the only losers are banks. Biden has said he will veto healthcare legislation. And even if he doesn't he will not put energy behind it because of his disdain for the issue. Your second point is a little bit of a pivot, but I agree that getting Trunp out of office was at the for front of peoples minds. I do not agree that Biden was the only person that could do it. Joe Biden was a ham sandwhich in the primary. Voters were turning out for Sanders until every other democratic candidate simultaneoulsy dropped out and pushed their support to Biden which voters listened to. Edit: Also, if as you said dems were worried about getting Trump out of office they would vote for any Dem in the primary. So to get back to my main point dems. listened to the moderate candidates and voted against the one candidate that one help them economically. On that first point, that is just fundamentally untrue. How are the banks the losers in that equation? The federal government is the one forgiving the debt, not the banks. And regarding your edit -- you seem to be missing how important the moderate voting block is, and their ability to stomach a moderate democrat, but NOT having a willingness to turn out in the same numbers for a far left candidate like Sanders, regardless of a dislike of Trump. I don't think it was a mirror situation of 2016 where pretty much any Republican was going to destroy Hillary (who herself had fairly weak core support, and had turned off a huge swatch of the potential democrat voters, along with being particularly distasteful to cross-over voters) Instead, it was a situation where Trump continues to enjoy a status as a cult leader, and the ONLY WAY he was able to be unseated was a 1-2 punch of a miserable handling of the pandemic combined with a moderate candidate that drew broader support. Most people are somewhere in the middle, and at risk of alienation based on the extremes of either party affiliation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avatar! | 1,809 Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 8 minutes ago, Californication said: Student debt forgiveness is a bottom up economic stimulus - the only losers are banks. Wrong. Student loan forgiveness is for Federal Loans. It won't affect banks. Not directly, and ultimately may actually help banks. https://www.americanbanker.com/news/what-bidens-pledge-to-forgive-student-loans-means-for-consumer-lenders If it does happen, eventually taxpayers (which include students) will have to repay it. Ultimately the best long-term strategy would be to "fix" public universities which have had their tuition skyrocket because they act more like a business and less like a non-profit. There is no one quick fix for all of this, but students, States, Congress, universities, and the public, are at least partly to blame for this https://www.businessinsider.com/why-is-college-so-expensive-2018-4 I think some measure of student loan forgiveness might be in order, and it would basically act as an economic stimulus. But again, eventually someone (every taxpayer) will pay for this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kguillemette | 1,544 Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 34 minutes ago, Californication said: Your second point is a little bit of a pivot, but I agree that getting Trunp out of office was at the for front of peoples minds. I do not agree that Biden was the only person that could do it. Joe Biden was a ham sandwhich in the primary. Voters were turning out for Sanders until every other democratic candidate simultaneoulsy dropped out and pushed their support to Biden which voters listened to. Edit: Also, if as you said dems were worried about getting Trump out of office they would vote for any Dem in the primary. So to get back to my main point dems. listened to the moderate candidates and voted against the one candidate that one help them economically. Let me preface by saying Bernie Sanders is not Trump. Bernie is a respectable human being that has a vision he believes is in the best interest of everyone of America. Trump's only interest is himself and in the people who love him. That being said, Democrats learned from the mistakes of Republicans. Rather than remain in an overcrowded field with no real shot at winning, the less serious contenders dropped after NH and Iowa. In 2016, if you remember, nobody dropped out giving Trump what turned out to be an insurmountable lead going in to the convention. Had they dropped out early and got behind Kasich, a much safer and more moderate candidate with a true national profile for example, he might be in his second term right now. One thing I certainly disagree with, however, is that Bernie would have defeated Trump. I think you underestimate the moderate vote that may have turned out for a third party or wrote a candidate in rather than vote for a candidate they fundamentally disagree with. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWunderful | 2,927 Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 Im calling it now. Trump will “tease” his 2024 run to fundraise and fleece his Low IQ supporters out of more money by laundering it through his PAC. He has no real drive to add more failure to his resume, he just wants people to adore him and get rich. The good news is, that will hopefully be the death knell of the republican party as we know it. Leave the southern states to pass whatever terrible legislation they want at the state level, but leave the good of the country up to the rest of us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitarzombie | 924 Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 32 minutes ago, MrWunderful said: Trump will “tease” his 2024 run to fundraise and fleece his Low IQ supporters out of more money by laundering it through his PAC. He has no real drive to add more failure to his resume, he just wants people to adore him and get rich. I am not a Trump supporter AT ALL, but he's the embodiment of what America has become. As I always say, we get the president we deserve. Capitalism, bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avatar! | 1,809 Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 29 minutes ago, guitarzombie said: I am not a Trump supporter AT ALL, but he's the embodiment of what America has become. As I always say, we get the president we deserve. Capitalism, bro. I refuse to believe that! https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2021/01/15/biden-begins-presidency-with-positive-ratings-trump-departs-with-lowest-ever-job-mark/ Biden Begins Presidency With Positive Ratings; Trump Departs With Lowest-Ever Job Mark 68% of public does not want Trump to remain a major political figure in the future We thankfully elected Biden, and remember that America is not static. It changes all the time, and even though we have shite like MTG floating about, we mostly have decent hard-working people that will hopefully elect "decent" leaders. Hopefully, and I try to remain optimistic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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