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[fcgamer | 4,723]

47 minutes ago, epiclotus said:

Yeah, totally different.  Teaching about a culture through costume and props is a great way to learn.  I would still avoid the use of makeup to change the racial color of one's face, though, given the historical problems associated with that.  A teacher could even have a small aside as to why it's inappropriate to use blackface, yellowface, etc. in the reenactment of historical/cultural events.

I have dropped enough information throughout my posts for someone to infer the answers to those.  I don't see the usefulness of stating it outright, except as a way to highlight or dismiss different participants.  Valid points should stand on their own, regardless of the person putting them forward.  

Lol

[Californication | 1,477]

Welp, the Corona virus is starting to kill people in the U.S. 

I guess we are going to see what happens when an my administration defunds the dept. ofnHealth and Human services and puts someone inplace that is totally incompetent to lead the dept.

Edited March 1, 2020 by Californication

[MrWunderful | 2,927]

3 hours ago, Californication said:

Welp, the Corona virus is starting to kill people in the U.S. 

I guess we are going to see what happens when an my administration defunds the dept. ofnHealth and Human services and puts someone inplace that is totally incompetent to lead the dept.

Its just the democrats new hoax though

Fake news, move along

[CodysGameRoom | 2,008]

Pete's out. Will Bernie get the nomination or will the DNC steal it from him again and give it to Biden? Find out on this weeks House of Cards.

 

Edit: Amy K. out now too.

Edited March 2, 2020 by CodysGameRoom

[Tanooki | 4,932]

Hopefully the DNC steals it from that socialist.  His fringe garbage is not what that party stands for, just the quite vocal minority that want a socialist democracy platform if not just outright socialism.  With the others out and Sanders and nutty Mike around, hopefully they all group around Biden as he's their best chance at this rate to topple Trump.  In a funny bit of hypocritical irony from the left though, they're now also the party of old white guys for office, and their old white guys are older than Trump.

[Californication | 1,477]

4 minutes ago, Tanooki said:

Hopefully the DNC steals it from that socialist.  His fringe garbage is not what that party stands for, just the quite vocal minority that want a socialist democracy platform if not just outright socialism.  With the others out and Sanders and nutty Mike around, hopefully they all group around Biden as he's their best chance at this rate to topple Trump.  In a funny bit of hypocritical irony from the left though, they're now also the party of old white guys for office, and their old white guys are older than Trump.

You're a conservative. If Biden had the best chance of winning, you wouldn't want him to win the Primary.

Being old and white have nothing to do with his policies. Not sure why that matters.

Edited March 3, 2020 by Californication

[Tanooki | 4,932]

While I do follow your logic, you're assuming a bit much.  Honestly I'm not sure where I sit anymore, but at this rate looking at any remaining talking head from either side Biden is the most interesting.  Warren is just two faced and full of crap sucking up to the twitter/instragram troll types.  Bernie is just straight up out to lunch with his fake numbers how to fund stuff that defies reality, and bloomberg is just a boob and easily even more arrogant and full of self sniffed farts than Trump.  I didn't vote for what enough call emperor cheeto 4 years ago either as him and hillary were(are) repugnant.  Quite honestly I kind of like how our local guy Rand Paul likes to shit trumps bed to set him off as it's entertaining.  And while I'm no fan of Mitch I think I can easily see why he doesn't lose when the DNC throws corrupt morons against him like they just don't care hoping he'll die or have a stroke and go away.  Basically as amusingly gaffe prone as Biden is, I think he's the most sensible voice of reason of the existing lot remaining.

 

The old and white bit was just a joke because the DNC troll run for decades now has been that the GOP is the party of just old white men and that's all they ever run, and well now that's all that's really running at all as it's just a matter of time before Warren bails or gets forced out by the party, whatever their machine feels will stumble the non-democrat Bernie.  It now again surprises me why they even let him run on their ticket since he refuses to join up and runs as an independent despite typically voting with their bloc.  All the rights, funs and privvies but refuses to be part of the club until election time comes around which is very convenient.

Edited March 3, 2020 by Tanooki

[Californication | 1,477]

1 hour ago, Tanooki said:

While I do follow your logic, you're assuming a bit much.  Honestly I'm not sure where I sit anymore, but at this rate looking at any remaining talking head from either side Biden is the most interesting.  Warren is just two faced and full of crap sucking up to the twitter/instragram troll types.  Bernie is just straight up out to lunch with his fake numbers how to fund stuff that defies reality, and bloomberg is just a boob and easily even more arrogant and full of self sniffed farts than Trump.  I didn't vote for what enough call emperor cheeto 4 years ago either as him and hillary were(are) repugnant.  Quite honestly I kind of like how our local guy Rand Paul likes to shit trumps bed to set him off as it's entertaining.  And while I'm no fan of Mitch I think I can easily see why he doesn't lose when the DNC throws corrupt morons against him like they just don't care hoping he'll die or have a stroke and go away.  Basically as amusingly gaffe prone as Biden is, I think he's the most sensible voice of reason of the existing lot remaining.

 

The old and white bit was just a joke because the DNC troll run for decades now has been that the GOP is the party of just old white men and that's all they ever run, and well now that's all that's really running at all as it's just a matter of time before Warren bails or gets forced out by the party, whatever their machine feels will stumble the non-democrat Bernie.  It now again surprises me why they even let him run on their ticket since he refuses to join up and runs as an independent despite typically voting with their bloc.  All the rights, funs and privvies but refuses to be part of the club until election time comes around which is very convenient.

Dude, we've talked before, you're definetly conservative. 

Why do you like Biden?

Also, if people say the GOP are old white men, they would be accurate if they are talking about GOP politicians. The electorate, IDK, maybe a good chunk, but idk what percentage.

Edit: Before I forget, there is a new study out of Yale that says single payer would save 450,000 billion a year and save 65,000 lives!!!. 

Edited March 3, 2020 by Californication

[Tanooki | 4,932]

I think I prefer more of a mixed bag, but whatever.  Moderate right I suppose, libertarian on some stuff, don't disagree on some of the left leaning things when they can be paid for properly without screwing targeted groups of people that'll just hammer us to make up those losses in other ways.

Biden using the politico list of things from his 2020 page/stump speeches link: https://www.politico.com/2020-election/candidates-views-on-the-issues/joe-biden/  Nutshelling this one, min wage at federal should at this point match the states, not be the mess it is now, and paid leave is good.  Student debt should have some kind of relief and teachers should do better than trashmen for a paycheck, don't agree on free school though unless it can be paid without ruining something in return.  I think taking out private schools is bs as any parent should have a choice.  He's right on campaign money, it should be capped personal and donation so you can't buy an election.  I dislike his environmental stand on his side with taxation and drilling, but do appreciate his nuclear ideas.  Healthcare on the most ACA needs help badly it's junky but has merit spots, his other points (abortion, drug costs, and anti-medicaid for all) I'm on board with entirely, and single payer can die in a fire, fix what's there leave people with choice, force the rates down legally if necessary.  If that means regulation of the entire industry from point of service to insurance so be it.  20 years ago it worked fine you could get a cheap employer PPO and barely pay shit for things, now its like $20 tylenol pills and tongue depressors each.  50/50 on immigration don't like Daca, do like statues in place on illegal entry. Not really sure on transportation, but if a good way is found, it's a crumbling mess. 

Farming, and gun control, pot, military, his taxes and caps on that, technology, trade (other than we should worry about China they're thieving), same page there.

To me he's the moderate rational dude on the left who actually isn't some fire in the pants blowhard that would work with both sides since we have a clearly split congress to try and get something done, which the current and last guy in charge didn't do which helped stoke a lot of this pissy bitch behavior in and out of DC.

 

[Californication | 1,477]

conveso, by by medical choice you believe 65,000 Americans have the choice not to move to another country with better healthcare or die each year?

Also, how is Bernie out to lunch on his numbers. They have had multiple studies come out, one of the original studies ( from a conservative think tank said medicare for all would save 3 trillion over ten years, the most recent study said it would save 4.5 trillion over ten years.) 

 

[Californication | 1,477]

1 hour ago, Tanooki said:

I think I prefer more of a mixed bag, but whatever.  Moderate right I suppose, libertarian on some stuff, don't disagree on some of the left leaning things when they can be paid for properly without screwing targeted groups of people that'll just hammer us to make up those losses in other ways.

Biden using the politico list of things from his 2020 page/stump speeches link: https://www.politico.com/2020-election/candidates-views-on-the-issues/joe-biden/  Nutshelling this one, min wage at federal should at this point match the states, not be the mess it is now, and paid leave is good.  Student debt should have some kind of relief and teachers should do better than trashmen for a paycheck, don't agree on free school though unless it can be paid without ruining something in return.  I think taking out private schools is bs as any parent should have a choice.  He's right on campaign money, it should be capped personal and donation so you can't buy an election.  I dislike his environmental stand on his side with taxation and drilling, but do appreciate his nuclear ideas.  Healthcare on the most ACA needs help badly it's junky but has merit spots, his other points (abortion, drug costs, and anti-medicaid for all) I'm on board with entirely, and single payer can die in a fire, fix what's there leave people with choice, force the rates down legally if necessary.  If that means regulation of the entire industry from point of service to insurance so be it.  20 years ago it worked fine you could get a cheap employer PPO and barely pay shit for things, now its like $20 tylenol pills and tongue depressors each.  50/50 on immigration don't like Daca, do like statues in place on illegal entry. Not really sure on transportation, but if a good way is found, it's a crumbling mess. 

Farming, and gun control, pot, military, his taxes and caps on that, technology, trade (other than we should worry about China they're thieving), same page there.

To me he's the moderate rational dude on the left who actually isn't some fire in the pants blowhard that would work with both sides since we have a clearly split congress to try and get something done, which the current and last guy in charge didn't do which helped stoke a lot of this pissy bitch behavior in and out of DC.

 

Therr's several things. First, by medical choice you mean might 65,000 Americans have the choice not to move to another country with better healthcare or die each year?

And Bernie has numbers that have been checked and rechecked by the best schools in the country. They have had multiple studies come out, one of the original studies ( from a conservative think tank said medicare for all would save 3 trillion over ten years, the most recent study said it would save 4.5 trillion over ten years.) 

The problem with those bullet points from Biden's campaign is that he has a voting record. And his voting record tells a different story of what he would do if elected.

But really, the most important thing is that a vote for Biden is a vote for Trump because Biden couldn't win thr general election against Trump.

Edited March 3, 2020 by Californication

[Kguillemette | 1,544]

11 hours ago, Californication said:

 

But really, the most important thing is that a vote for Biden is a vote for Trump because Biden couldn't win thr general election against Trump.

A Democrat can not win without energizing the black vote. Bernie has tried, but he can't win the black vote. They overwhelmingly support Biden. I would argue the opposite. 

[VegHead | 127]

I don't like Biden's personality or his policies.  His gaffes are starting to come off as more senile than anything else.  That said, I would expect Biden to accomplish more than Sanders or Warren, even though I like their platforms better.

[Tanooki | 4,932]

KG: Bingo, among other groups too which again are with Biden.

Cali there is a die hard in the wool Bernie lover so he'll basically write whatever flubbed info mixed with truths to make that socialist look super electable by the party he won't even align do unless it helps get campaign financing and support, remember he's an independent socialist.

Sure Biden has a very long record, and to a point people can and can not change over time on various points.  But despite all that, people will mostly just pay attention to the now with no attention spans at all so it's the points he's pushing now and those who loathe Trump won't listen to anything he says even if it were true about the guy.  So it comes down to the left deciding if they want a hard shove into democratic socialism or just a regular democrat and then hope that choice works against Trump.  Neither party has the bodies to take an election as is, so it will come down to flip floppers and independents in the middle who won't waste a vote on some tiny party and align to one of the two big ones.  Bernie is far less attractive to those who aren't far left leaning once they realize his promises wouldn't all pan out as he says without some real pain that'll hurt everyone, even those he claims to support.  Keep in mind, you beat the shit out of the rich, they'll find another way to get more in their pocket and in business that's layoffs, pay cuts, raising prices on goods of any sort you buy to use/consume which screws everyone.  A totally convenient factor that's never covered.

[Link | 2,709]

5 minutes ago, Tanooki said:

Keep in mind, you beat the shit out of the rich, they'll find another way to get more in their pocket and in business that's layoffs, pay cuts, raising prices on goods of any sort you buy to use/consume which screws everyone.  A totally convenient factor that's never covered.

So the answer is to let them keep screwing everybody either way? 

[Rooster | 124]

That sounds like some stockholm syndrome kind of stuff, to suggest that we shouldn't anger the rich becuse they might cut off our life support.  Guess what?  They're already laying people off, outsourcing jobs, cutting benefits, utilizing contractors over FTEs, not giving maternity/paternity leave, the list goes on.  What more than they do, other than finally GTFO and go live in India or China?  Europe is far less likely to tolerate the BS that they get away with, because unlike the US, they have better consumer protection laws.  So where are they going to go?

[Tanooki | 4,932]

No, and you're just minimizing as bait with that.  Sure there are ways to deal with it, but taxing people over a million into near full turn over of everything isn't going to solve it.  That's cheap political point winning crap to bait votes.  Sitting back to realize what those people will do with their companies, employees and products couldn't be more obvious and we'd all be worse off for it.  Perhaps regulating the hell out of various things would be best short of redistribution of wealth.  Checks and balances laid down to make things better whatever the subject may be should likely be the better route.

[Rooster | 124]

We've seen degradation of regulation in recent years, why am I going to sit around and hope some politician suddenly has a change of heart, and stops accepting "gifts" from pharmaceutical, energy, and telecommunication companies.  Have you seen what Ajit Pai has been doing with the FCC?  My vote is going towards Bernie because I believe he is the only politician that has a legitimate chance of representing the needs of the regular American people, even the ones who don't know they need help yet.  I don't trust Biden to have a heavy enough hand towards the corporatists of America just as I didn't trust Buttigieg either.

[Californication | 1,477]

1 hour ago, Kguillemette said:

A Democrat can not win without energizing the black vote. Bernie has tried, but he can't win the black vote. They overwhelmingly support Biden. I would argue the opposite. 

Hold on there. Bernie is losing the older black vote right now, not the younger black vote. And many of those older black voters will vote for any democratic candidate, they just associate Biden with Obama, and don't pay attention to anything else.

[Californication | 1,477]

This is really depressing. I think Trump is gonna get reelected.

[Gloves | 11,776]

Just now, Californication said:

This is really depressing. I think Trump is gonna get reelected.

I won some money betting people that he'd get elected in 2016 and I'm considering making the same bet again. The whole election system is just... ridiculous.

[Tulpa | 3,492]

1 minute ago, Californication said:

This is really depressing. I think Trump is gonna get reelected.

Funny, people were also crowing that when Bernie was front runner.

[Californication | 1,477]

7 minutes ago, Tulpa said:

Funny, people were also crowing that when Bernie was front runner.

The only reason people will vote for Biden is because they don't want to see Trump re-elected.  He is not motivating any one to vote that isn't already going out to vote.

1. Trump will pummel Biden on the debate stage.

2. The republican party is going to run nostop ads about Barisma etc.

3. He has issues harassing women. 

4. He tried to cut medicare and social security.

5. He passed the bankruptcy bill to protect creditors and hurt students.

I mean the list goes on and on. He can't stay on the same subject and can barely speak in coherent sentences. 

These are real problems. People said Sanders would lose to Trump based on what?

 

 

[Tulpa | 3,492]

2 minutes ago, Californication said:

 

These are real problems. People said Sanders would lose to Trump based on what?

 

That he's a socialist (and the right will hammer that into the ground) and that he has no moderate appeal.

The election will be won in three states. Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. Whoever appeals to the voters in those states will take it all.

[Californication | 1,477]

So you think the Republican hammering Sanders on being a democratic socialist is as bad as that whole list of issues with Biden.

That is all they got. Think about that.

And furthermore, at least Sanders can defend himself. Joe is hopeless. Worse than Hillary Clinton hopeless.