Tulpa | 3,488 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 Just now, Quest4Nes said: THE WHOLE STATEMENT WAS A DIG Now you're just backpedaling. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quest4Nes | 376 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 Just now, Tulpa said: Now you're just backpedaling. LOL Im out. you are ridiculous. Have a nice night 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulpa | 3,488 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 Just now, Quest4Nes said: LOL Im out. you are ridiculous. Have a nice night Come on, I thought you liked assholes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster | 124 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 Tax payers are supposed to be getting something for their money. They aren't paying into a national corporate subsidy/war fund. Those dollars are supposed to be used for things other than bombing impoverished middle eastern countries. Why is it such an evil thing to consider using it to help people not go bankrupt from medical bills, or have national infrastructure maintained, or properly support our veterans when they come home? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lincoln | 230 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 4 minutes ago, Quest4Nes said: ? lol wut re read the statement one more time. Or Im not sure what point you are trying to prove I mean are you unaware how your comments read? I will try to annotate and we can go from there. 12 minutes ago, Quest4Nes said: Atleast as much as I despise bloomberg [not a fan, but you give him credit for...], he is spending his own money [rather than donated funds, presumably] spending like a maniac. [Which is an actual attempt to buy his way to a nomination] Bernie Sanders is promising everyone under the sun. [He's promoting his platform?] Hes basically trying to buy the oval office [what? How?] with tax payer money. [Supporter donations? Because he has the largest number of donaters? This is nonsensical] 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quest4Nes | 376 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 21 minutes ago, Tulpa said: Come on, I thought you liked assholes. I like funny ones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulpa | 3,488 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, Quest4Nes said: I like funny ones You mean ones that aren't going after you. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quest4Nes | 376 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 14 minutes ago, Lincoln said: I mean are you unaware how your comments read? I will try to annotate and we can go from there. we are talking about promising Free childcare Medicare for all free college etc etc etc. That has nothing to do with campaigning or contributions, but its what he stands for. That has everything to do with promising other peoples money in the future to buy them stuff. I love how he didnt answer Anderson Coopers Question about whether hed take bloombergs money if he was the nominee and bloomberg wanted to support him. Just stood there for 5 seconds in silence waiting for the next question. Bernie Sanders is a fraud. Bernie Sanders, the man who has suckled the govt. teet for 60 years and never produced anything. I mean he isnt going to win, but I really would prefer if he just wouldnt be in the final 2. Even a 1 percent chance is terrifying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lincoln | 230 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Quest4Nes said: we are talking about promising Free childcare Medicare for all free college etc etc etc. That has nothing to do with campaigning or contributions, but its what he stands for. That has everything to do with promising other peoples money in the future to buy them stuff. I love how he didnt answer Anderson Coopers Question about whether hed take bloombergs money if he was the nominee and bloomberg wanted to support him. Just stood there for 5 seconds in silence waiting for the next question. Bernie Sanders is a fraud. Bernie Sanders, the man who has suckled the govt. teet for 60 years and never produced anything. I mean he isnt going to win, but I really would prefer if he just wouldnt be in the final 2. Even a 1 percent chance is terrifying. Ahh ok. Well personally I'd rather pay less in taxes than my insurance premiums cost as well as not being at risk of bankruptcy if I ever had serious medical issues. Also free tuition is totally doable. Georgia for example (a red state no less) pays tuition for in state kids assuming they keep up their gpa or whatever conditions they have. All paid for by lottery income iirc. I'm 100% on board for that, especially versus the alternative of saddling kids with crippling debt just to get started with their life. I haven't heard about the childcare thing so no comment there. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estil | 1,261 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 (edited) You know we had the KEES scholarship program in KY back in my day that worked like that! Sadly it only went into effect my HS senior year so I was only able to get I think $500/yr as opposed to up to $2000/yr (IIRC) if I it had been in place all four of my years. Yeah, I think that'd be a swell idea to use state lottery funds to encourage kids to go to an in-state university and offer scholarships if they get high enough GPA or ACT score or whatnot. I mean the state lotteries (including ours) started on the promise that it would help fund education sorts of things, well there you go. Of course, state level things and federal level things are two very different things. Edited February 20, 2020 by Estil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quest4Nes | 376 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Lincoln said: Ahh ok. Well personally I'd rather pay less in taxes than my insurance premiums cost as well as not being at risk of bankruptcy if I ever had serious medical issues. Also free tuition is totally doable. Georgia for example (a red state no less) pays tuition for in state kids assuming they keep up their gpa or whatever conditions they have. All paid for by lottery income iirc. I'm 100% on board for that, especially versus the alternative of saddling kids with crippling debt just to get started with their life. I haven't heard about the childcare thing so no comment there. Well what federal lottery are they going to tax? Free Tuition for the nation, and debt forgiveness is the same as a Georgia program? Scale dude...scale. Its a little different. Pay for this then where does it stop? Whats next? The car payment crisis? the mortgage crisis? Those "industries" add to up to more than college. Doesnt everyone have the right to those? College is a voluntary transaction just like buying cars and houses. I have some school debt. Im paying it off. I fully expect to pay it off. Id personally rather just see the government not giving out student loans in general. Started the crisis in the first place. Edited February 20, 2020 by Quest4Nes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed Rothchild | 9,504 Editorials Team · Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 My deep-red (and Georgia Tech alum) wife wants to move back there specifically for that program Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arch_8ngel | 1,597 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 Just now, Reed Rothchild said: My deep-red (and Georgia Tech alum) wife wants to move back there specifically for that program It was a great program to be able to use. A bit of a shame (or perhaps ironic) that it stems from a "tax on stupid". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWunderful | 2,926 Posted February 20, 2020 Author Share Posted February 20, 2020 Why do people act like Sanders is going to roll through and snap his fingers and BAM socialism? The government can barely keep it self funded. It makes me chuckle everytime some screams SOCIALISM 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulpa | 3,488 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 1 minute ago, MrWunderful said: Why do people act like Sanders is going to roll through and snap his fingers and BAM socialism? Seriously. He'd need a compliant congress and probably buy-in from the majority of the states. If that happens, then the majority of Americans probably also want it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quest4Nes | 376 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Tulpa said: Seriously. He'd need a compliant congress and probably buy-in from the majority of the states. If that happens, then the majority of Americans probably also want it. So he would just be a useless ideologue then? There are still several things he could actually do with the growing executive branch. I dont even want a chance of any economical proposal. So why vote for radical "change" if it cant even be done? Just because hed have a tough time passing something, he is ok now? Anyone but Bernie please Edited February 20, 2020 by Quest4Nes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulpa | 3,488 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 6 minutes ago, Quest4Nes said: So why vote for radical "change" if it cant even be done? Ask all the Trump supporters who voted for a wall with Mexico paying for it. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Californication | 1,477 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 7 hours ago, Quest4Nes said: kids in cages photo circulation were 2014 detention center photos which were then portrayed as new photos. So yeah....That wasnt a trump policy, and pretty much the definition of what some may call "fake news" We have already hashed that discussion in this thread. Even californication said he got that one partially wrong. Ill take even the slightest contrition from that dude as a positive. So you think that the media fabricated 7 dead kids. And you also think the media fabricated the kids that are in u.s. foster care and the government deported their parents without any contact information? Or do you think the media fabricated all the kids that were sexually assaulted in ice custody because the prison companys hired people without background checks because the influx was so quick? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quest4Nes | 376 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 15 minutes ago, Californication said: So you think that the media fabricated 7 dead kids. And you also think the media fabricated the kids that are in u.s. foster care and the government deported their parents without any contact information? Or do you think the media fabricated all the kids that were sexually assaulted in ice custody because the prison companys hired people without background checks because the influx was so quick? ?? What are you ranting and raving about. It was about where the policy started and where the pictures came from. He specifically said kids in cages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Californication | 1,477 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Quest4Nes said: ?? What are you ranting and raving about. It was about where the policy started and where the pictures came from. He specifically said kids in cages. The Zero Tolerance policy came from the Trump administration. If this happened under the Obama administration he would have been impeached, simple as that. It's indefensible. They went to court and said they didn't have to provide toothpaste and tooth brushes. Wtf. It's sick every which way you look at it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quest4Nes | 376 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 (edited) Again. The kids in cages photos were from 2014. So yea it was happening then too before trump. He said kids in cages. So yes im replying directly to that. Edited February 20, 2020 by Quest4Nes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Californication | 1,477 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 (edited) 12 hours ago, Quest4Nes said: Again. The kids in cages photos were from 2014. So yea it was happening then too before trump. He said kids in cages. So yes im replying directly to that. You are not listening. The Zero Tolerance program took the bad Obama immigration policies and muliplied them without increasing the infrustructure required to take care of migrants. Go listen to the head DHS answer question from the oversight committe, he starts sweating every time they ask him a question about the Zero Tolerance program. These people aren't criminals. It's legal to seek asylum in the U.S., it is in the constitution, and that is what the vast majority of these people are doing. (There aren't many photos available because DHS wouldn't allow photos.) Edited February 20, 2020 by Californication 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arch_8ngel | 1,597 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 37 minutes ago, Californication said: You are not listening. The Zero Tolerance program took the bad Obama immigration policies and muliplied.them without increasing the infrustructure required to take care of migrants. Go listen to the head DHS answer question from the over sight committe, he starts sweating every tume they ask him a question about the Zero Tolerance program. These peolple aren't criminals. It is legal to seek asylum in the U.S., it is in the constitutiom, and that is what the vast majority of these people are doing. (There aren't many photos available because DHS wouldn't allow photos.) And on top of the appalling conditions it costs $775 PER DAY PER CHILD. There is no excuse for it costing that much while providing such inadequate accommodation and services. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estil | 1,261 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 13 hours ago, Quest4Nes said: Well what federal lottery are they going to tax? Free Tuition for the nation, and debt forgiveness is the same as a Georgia program? Scale dude...scale. Its a little different. Pay for this then where does it stop? Whats next? The car payment crisis? the mortgage crisis? Those "industries" add to up to more than college. Doesnt everyone have the right to those? College is a voluntary transaction just like buying cars and houses. I have some school debt. Im paying it off. I fully expect to pay it off. Id personally rather just see the government not giving out student loans in general. Started the crisis in the first place. First off, there will never be a federal lottery. The states and their lotteries won't stand for it. As for your last paragraph I'll have to disagree. If it weren't for gov't grants (both federal/state level) and a federal student loan (I only took the subsidized interest free one; I used an after school job on campus to pay the difference and for my summer school at my local community college) there's virtually no chance I could've gone to college, certainly not our big flagship one. And call me old fashioned but I for one would like to see more people get their college education and I feel very lucky that i was able to do so. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodysGameRoom | 2,008 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 I mean you could, you know, stop giving billion dollar businesses ridiculous undeserved tax breaks and use that money for the social programs Bernie is suggesting. That certainly wouldn't be "free". But idk maybe it's better to line the pockets of their executives and share holders, who knows. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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