Estil | 1,264 Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bearcat-Doug said: I saw this and figured that I'd leave it here. Maybe it will help some people understand. Right now black lives (and the other lives as well) are most in danger from the rioters/thugs/vandals claiming the BLM name And actually they are clearly saying that only black lives ended by white cops matter...and that all white cops who did so or are accused of doing so are automatically presumed guilty of a racist hate crime murder. Maybe they don't say it in those exact words...but they might as well. Edited June 30, 2020 by Estil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearcat-Doug | 5,104 Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 Just now, Estil said: Right now black lives (and the other lives as well) are most in danger from the rioters/thugs/vandals claiming the BLM name I'm sure the good ones would be the first to agree with you on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodysGameRoom | 2,008 Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Estil said: Right now black lives (and the other lives as well) are most in danger from the rioters/thugs/vandals claiming the BLM name What a bad take. Really terrible opinion. Sheesh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearcat-Doug | 5,104 Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 1 minute ago, CodysGameRoom said: What a bad take. Really terrible opinion. Sheesh. I thought the cartoon was simple and made everything clear. Apparently not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estil | 1,264 Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 Just now, Bearcat-Doug said: I thought the cartoon was simple and made everything clear. Apparently not. It leaves out a lot of unpleasant details and unintended consequences of BLM. Most issues IRL cannot be reduced down to just a bumper sticker slogan, much as we would often like them to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodysGameRoom | 2,008 Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, Bearcat-Doug said: I thought the cartoon was simple and made everything clear. Apparently not. Yea I've tried everything from a general explanation to infographics, analogies, metaphors, explaining like they are children, etc. The bottom line is when someone doesn't want to understand something, no evidence or information presented will all them to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearcat-Doug | 5,104 Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 Just now, Estil said: It leaves out a lot of unpleasant details and unintended consequences of BLM. Most issues IRL cannot be reduced down to just a bumper sticker slogan, much as we would often like them to be. There are bad people just like with any situation. The 1% trying to take advantage shouldn't hurt the 99% that are just asking for your attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed Rothchild | 9,511 Editorials Team · Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 4 minutes ago, Estil said: It leaves out a lot of unpleasant details and unintended consequences of BLM. Most issues IRL cannot be reduced down to just a bumper sticker slogan, much as we would often like them to be. You have consistently talked of "fake racism" and repeatedly tried to write off the entire movement because of the actions of the few. We get it. You don't support BLM. But they aren't going anywhere. Not while the majority of African Americans feel there is still widespread systemic racism. White people on the sidelines trying to say otherwise don't generally offer very compelling refutes either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearcat-Doug | 5,104 Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 1 minute ago, CodysGameRoom said: Yea I've tried everything from a general explanation to infographics, analogies, metaphors, explaining like they are children, etc. The bottom line is when someone doesn't want to understand something, no evidence or information presented will all them to do so. That cartoon was as basic as it gets. How people can't understand it is beyond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearcat-Doug | 5,104 Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, Reed Rothchild said: You have consistently talked of "fake racism" and repeatedly tried to write off the entire movement because of the actions of the few. We get it. You don't support BLM. But they aren't going anywhere. Not while the majority of African Americans feel there is still widespread systemic racism. White people on the sidelines trying to say otherwise don't generally offer very compelling refutes either. Don't mention the white looters and rioters. It will ruin the entire argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estil | 1,264 Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, CodysGameRoom said: Yea I've tried everything from a general explanation to infographics, analogies, metaphors, explaining like they are children, etc. The bottom line is when someone doesn't want to understand something, no evidence or information presented will all them to do so. Actually if you can show me how the mainstream BLM is denouncing the extremists and especially the times that they've admitted that a white cop was in the right for shooting a black man (for example Darren Wilson-Michael Brown) or tell me who among the Duke facilty who signed that nasty open letter condemning the Duke lacross players who turned out to be innocent even took the time to apologize...I would very much reconsider. My main deal breaker is actually not the extremists, it's BLM's presumption of guilt attitude towards any white cop who shot a black suspect no matter the circumstances. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty in a court of law? What about it's better for 99 guilty to go free than one innocent person to get imprisoned or executed? Edited June 30, 2020 by Estil 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodysGameRoom | 2,008 Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Estil said: Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty in a court of law? I don't know what happened to it. Ask all the black people murdered by cops. I said this yesterday in regards to people "being accused of racism": Quote Yea, that sounds like it would be shitty. Can you give some examples of that? Because I'm not aware of literally any. I feel like if someone told my boss I said something racist, they would investigate, and if I did, I would be dealt with accordingly, and if I didn't, I'd still have my job. So, for those of you all so worried about "Fake racism claims", can you please provide some real world examples that have occurred and resulted in an innocent person losing their job? Still waiting for anyone to provide a real world example where someone had their life ruined because they were called a racist when they are not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed Rothchild | 9,511 Editorials Team · Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, Estil said: Actually if you can show me how the mainstream BLM is denouncing the extremists and especially the times that they've admitted that a white cop was in the right for shooting a black man (for example Darren Wilson-Michael Brown) or tell me who among the Duke facilty who signed that nasty open letter condemning the Duke lacross players who turned out to be innocent even took the time to apologize...I would very much reconsider. My main deal breaker is actually not the extremists, it's BLM's presumption of guilt attitude towards any white cop who shot a black suspect no matter the circumstances. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty in a court of law? What about it's better for 99 guilty to go free than one to get imprisoned or executed? 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodysGameRoom | 2,008 Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 4 minutes ago, Estil said: My main deal breaker is actually not the extremists, it's BLM's presumption of guilt attitude towards any white cop who shot a black suspect no matter the circumstances. So because black people accuse white cops of racism, their lives don't matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearcat-Doug | 5,104 Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, CodysGameRoom said: I don't know what happened to it. Ask all the black people murdered by cops. I said this yesterday in regards to people "being accused of racism": Still waiting for anyone to provide a real world example where someone had their life ruined because they were called a racist when they are not. Still waiting here too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabonga | 2,315 Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 8 minutes ago, CodysGameRoom said: Still waiting for anyone to provide a real world example where someone had their life ruined because they were called a racist when they are not. Steven Pagones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estil | 1,264 Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 (edited) How about this as the latest example? Guilt by association much? And you remember how you guys (and of course myself) several pages ago were appalled and outraged by the guy who got his eye shot/blinded by a rubber bullet? Don't count on BLM lifting a finger for that one https://www.foxnews.com/us/stepmom-of-ex-atlanta-cop-garrett-rolfe-stunned-she-was-fired-from-job-after-rayshard-brooks-shooting PS: I can tell you from personal experience (I'm sorry to say; long story) that whole crap they gave about "hostile work environment" is the most pathetic cliched excuse in the book Edited June 30, 2020 by Estil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearcat-Doug | 5,104 Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 White cops are never wrong. Everyone can go home now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabonga | 2,315 Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 19 minutes ago, Bearcat-Doug said: Still waiting here too. https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/05/28/how-an-internet-mob-falsely-painted-a-chipotle-employee-as-racist/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodysGameRoom | 2,008 Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 7 minutes ago, Estil said: How about this as the latest example? Guilt by association much? And you remember how you guys (and of course myself) several pages ago were appalled and outraged by the guy who got his eye shot/blinded by a rubber bullet? Don't count on BLM lifting a finger for that one https://www.foxnews.com/us/stepmom-of-ex-atlanta-cop-garrett-rolfe-stunned-she-was-fired-from-job-after-rayshard-brooks-shooting PS: I can tell you from personal experience (I'm sorry to say; long story) that whole crap they gave about "hostile work environment" is the most pathetic cliched excuse in the book How is this an example of fake racism ruining someone's life? No one has accused her of being racist. She was fired for creating a hostile work environment? Did she actually do that? I don't know. But I fail to see how this is an example I requested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearcat-Doug | 5,104 Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Tabonga said: https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/05/28/how-an-internet-mob-falsely-painted-a-chipotle-employee-as-racist/ Mistakes happen, but it's still in the vast minority. It shouldn't take away from the legitimate occurrences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodysGameRoom | 2,008 Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, Tabonga said: https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/05/28/how-an-internet-mob-falsely-painted-a-chipotle-employee-as-racist/ I am attempting to read this article and I'm unable to do so because it is asking me to subscribe. Do you have an alternate source I can review? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabonga | 2,315 Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 1 minute ago, CodysGameRoom said: I am attempting to read this article and I'm unable to do so because it is asking me to subscribe. Do you have an alternate source I can review? This one is not as complete - but the basics are there. https://heavy.com/news/2018/11/dominique-moran-masud-ali/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodysGameRoom | 2,008 Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 19 minutes ago, Tabonga said: Steven Pagones. From my admittedly brief review of the case it sounds like it was incredibly complicated and many still believe the accuser. The guy was proven innocent in a court of law and also won a defamation claim. But he was proven innocent in the very court in which the systemic racism we are protesting against resides. Thanks for providing one possible example of what I asked for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabonga | 2,315 Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 4 minutes ago, Bearcat-Doug said: Mistakes happen, but it's still in the vast minority. It shouldn't take away from the legitimate occurrences. Cody only asked for one - you parrotted his request - in any event I gave two - twice as much as requested. Waffle much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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