Bearcat-Doug | 5,104 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 6 minutes ago, Reed Rothchild said: Democracy in its death throes. Incapable of working together. Sadly it seems like things have been trending that way for awhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearcat-Doug | 5,104 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 1 minute ago, cartman said: You can have better with one white guy getting the job over another white guy too what about that possibility? But it still wouldn't be good enough would it... It wouldn't make as much sense as someone of the same race voicing the character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cartman | 195 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 Just now, Bearcat-Doug said: It wouldn't make as much sense as someone of the same race voicing the character. It would if he is doing the best job wich is what my argument is based on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearcat-Doug | 5,104 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, cartman said: It would if he is doing the best job wich is what my argument is based on. I don't see why he couldn't do a better job at playing a character of his own race over a white guy. That's my argument. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulpa | 3,491 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 18 minutes ago, cartman said: If that is the case the creator already is free to employ them as it is so there is no issue. Must he reach the conclusion that someone else subjectively thinks that he should? You mean having people play the race they actually are instead of playing what is essentially vocal blackface? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cartman | 195 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 Just now, Bearcat-Doug said: I don't see why he couldn't do a better job at playing a character of his own race over a white guy. That's my argument. Is it not better to just let the creator decide for himself and take the fail upon himself if it fails? Seems like a much better solution to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearcat-Doug | 5,104 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 1 minute ago, cartman said: Is it not better to just let the creator decide for himself and take the fail upon himself if it fails? Seems like a much better solution to me. So potential failure > than potential improvement? Why would you choose failure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cartman | 195 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Tulpa said: You mean having people play the race they actually are instead of playing what is essentially vocal blackface? The character is fictional it has no resemblance to blackface. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cartman | 195 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, Bearcat-Doug said: So potential failure > than potential improvement? Why would you choose failure? He doesn't have to choose failure just as Cleveland and Apu have shown us and countless other characters. You're the one insisting on non-ethnic = not good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearcat-Doug | 5,104 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, cartman said: He doesn't have to choose failure just as Cleveland and Apu have shown us and countless other characters. You're the one insisting on non-ethnic = not good. Not at all. I'm insisting that ethnic might be better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cartman | 195 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 Just now, Bearcat-Doug said: Not at all. I'm insisting that ethnic might be better. Well it might be. But there's no reason to crusade on already existing good ones that are not ethnic wich is what has been happening. This is not a quality control issue at heart but peoples racial agendas let's not kid ourselves. If the show or movie was merely shitty they'd probably just turn off the TV or bitch a little on how much it sucked but now they're running a social justice crusade instead wich a whole other thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearcat-Doug | 5,104 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, cartman said: Well it might be. But there's no reason to crusade on already existing good ones that are not ethnic wich is what has been happening. This is not a quality control issue at heart but peoples racial agendas let's not kid ourselves. If the show or movie was merely shitty they'd probably just turn off the TV or bitch a little on how much it sucked but now they're running a social justice crusade instead wich a whole other thing. Both voice actors for Cleveland and Apu stepped down and need replaced anyway, so why not see if anyone that represents the characters can do an even better job? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cartman | 195 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Bearcat-Doug said: Both voice actors for Cleveland and Apu stepped down and need replaced anyway, so why not see if anyone that represents the characters can do an even better job? They stepped down on some SJW shit it wasn't just that they felt done with the characters from an artistic standpoint. If they should find new voice actors they should try being unbiased but now more than ever they won't be they'll fill up that token guy space by all costs. It doesn't mean that the minority actor won't be good but if they were faced with a situation where nobody was... yeah they'd fill that position up with whatever they can get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearcat-Doug | 5,104 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 1 minute ago, cartman said: They stepped down on some SJW shit it wasn't just that they felt done with the characters from an artistic standpoint. If they should find new voice actors they should try being unbiased but now more than ever they won't be they'll fill up that token guy space by all costs. It doesn't mean that the minority actor won't be good but if they were faced with a situation where nobody was... yeah they'd fill that position up with whatever they can get. They stepped down so the jobs need filled. It's worth giving ethnic voice actors a chance. If it was a money issue, I'm guessing that they would take less for the opportunity to get their foot in the door for even more work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cartman | 195 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Bearcat-Doug said: They stepped down so the jobs need filled. It's worth giving ethnic voice actors a chance. If it was a money issue, I'm guessing that they would take less for the opportunity to get their foot in the door for even more work. They should get the chance but they shouldn't have positive bias wich they 100% will now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulpa | 3,491 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 (edited) 52 minutes ago, cartman said: The character is fictional it has no resemblance to blackface. Blackface (or yellowface or redface) is posing as another race by whatever means. Fictional or non-fictional, it's the same thing. Edited June 28, 2020 by Tulpa 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodysGameRoom | 2,008 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 21 minutes ago, cartman said: They stepped down on some SJW shit it wasn't just that they felt done with the characters from an artistic standpoint. If they should find new voice actors they should try being unbiased but now more than ever they won't be they'll fill up that token guy space by all costs. It doesn't mean that the minority actor won't be good but if they were faced with a situation where nobody was... yeah they'd fill that position up with whatever they can get. Did you ever consider that they thought about it and said "hmm. Yea, I can see how that might not be sending the right message. Let's do what is right for ALL our fans and make the change." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearcat-Doug | 5,104 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 14 minutes ago, cartman said: They should get the chance but they shouldn't have positive bias wich they 100% will now. Maybe we will get more authentic ethnic characters instead of ones that sound like a white guy doing a stereotypical voice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cartman | 195 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Tulpa said: Blackface (or yelloface or redface) is posing as another race by whatever means. Fictional or non-fictional, it's the same thing. It's not the same. Voiceacting is always fictional in the way that a person on a stage or movie set isn't. It's a much bigger departure from reality with a unique set of expectations. A fight in a movie and a cartoon aren't the same either altough both are unrealistic to an extent. But with a cartoon it's full-on makebelieve while a movie can and does include real people. A voice actor you never even see or know about unless you make an active effort to do so the person is not intertwined with the medium in a full sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cartman | 195 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 7 minutes ago, Bearcat-Doug said: Maybe we will get more authentic ethnic characters instead of ones that sound like a white guy doing a stereotypical voice. Or maybe you'll get shitty ones with the only thing going for them being that they fulfill an identity politics objective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cartman | 195 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 12 minutes ago, CodysGameRoom said: Did you ever consider that they thought about it and said "hmm. Yea, I can see how that might not be sending the right message. Let's do what is right for ALL our fans and make the change." Who said it's right for "all" the fans? It is a fraction that has dictated their own subjective sensibilities and gotten their way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearcat-Doug | 5,104 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 7 minutes ago, cartman said: Or maybe you'll get shitty ones with the only thing going for them being that they fulfill an identity politics objective. I think they can at least find one black and Mexican person to voice the characters that actually sounds okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cartman | 195 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Bearcat-Doug said: I think they can at least find one black and Mexican person to voice the characters that actually sounds okay. They always had that chance. But now they'll be pressured to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearcat-Doug | 5,104 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, cartman said: They always had that chance. But now they'll be pressured to. The roles went to actors who voiced multiple other characters early in the show's lifespan, likely to save money. I think the Simpsons and Family Guy are doing okay now and can handle expanding their talent roster. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulpa | 3,491 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 20 minutes ago, cartman said: It's not the same. Voiceacting is always fictional in the way that a person on a stage or movie set isn't. It's a much bigger departure from reality with a unique set of expectations. A white dude doing jive talk is vocal blackface. I don't care if you can't see his actual face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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