Doctornick | 419 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 16 hours ago, spacepup said: @Doctornick I'm rooting for the best outcome for you sir. Please take care and I hope that whatever happens, you are able to stay safe and healthy throughout your experience. 12 hours ago, TrekMD said: Man, that is terrible. I pray you and your wife are well and, if you test positive, that you recover fully. And to reinforce the final paragraph you posted... 16 hours ago, spacepup said: @Doctornick I'm rooting for the best outcome for you sir. Please take care and I hope that whatever happens, you are able to stay safe and healthy throughout your experience. Thank you both! My wife seems okay for now, I have a very dry cough and my chest feels tight. Thankfully no fever, but should have my test results today. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrekMD | 1,393 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Look at this lovely "graduation" picture... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fcgamer | 4,722 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Big whoop, so they got the virus. So did someone in this very thread, so did a friend of my friend's, do did tons of people. If we would have been given real information from the start, the virus would have never spread as it did and become a pandemic. That's what's truly sad in the matter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arch_8ngel | 1,597 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 5 hours ago, fcgamer said: If we would have had correct information to begin with, it's likely the mess would not have gotten as it has. That was the fault of the WHO. So yeah, it's really a good idea to rejoin that organisation? So you place no in-the-present blame on Trump for after contracting the virus going on to actively downplay the severity, while having spent a week exposing all of those around himself? Unbelievable. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvertov | 205 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 57 minutes ago, fcgamer said: Big whoop, so they got the virus. So did someone in this very thread, so did a friend of my friend's, do did tons of people. If we would have been given real information from the start, the virus would have never spread as it did and become a pandemic. That's what's truly sad in the matter This is the event. No masks, no distancing, not following Trump's own health organizations' most basic guidelines. I am not the president, just a guy in the middle of the US. My county is under a mask ordinance and if someone tries to enter my business looking like this my staff is instructed to bar them from entering (I am tougher than most business owners and we get a lot of "f**k yous"). My grade-school kids haven't seen the inside of a school building since March and even they have learned to wear masks when they leave the house. The WHO didn't cause the president and his staff to treat this disease like a bunch of reckless idiots, and demonstrating this kind of behavior empowers more carelessness among the public, which makes my job harder and continues to spread the disease. So yeah, it is a big whoop. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodysGameRoom | 2,008 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 1 hour ago, fcgamer said: If we would have been given real information from the start, the virus would have never spread as it did and become a pandemic. That's what's truly sad in the matter Quit dwelling on the past. You can't change it. You can't do anything about it. It's time to move forward. We need to do the BEST we can with the information we have NOW. Trump sure as shit isn't doing that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fcgamer | 4,722 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 17 minutes ago, dvertov said: This is the event. No masks, no distancing, not following Trump's own health organizations' most basic guidelines. I am not the president, just a guy in the middle of the US. My county is under a mask ordinance and if someone tries to enter my business looking like this my staff is instructed to bar them from entering (I am tougher than most business owners and we get a lot of "f**k yous"). My grade-school kids haven't seen the inside of a school building since March and even they have learned to wear masks when they leave the house. The WHO didn't cause the president and his staff to treat this disease like a bunch of reckless idiots, and demonstrating this kind of behavior empowers more carelessness among the public, which makes my job harder and continues to spread the disease. So yeah, it is a big whoop. Yeah, you and the others sure as hell haven't checked out a wider scope than the anti-Trump agenda, that's why it's all a big f'ing whoop in my book. I see people every day not wearing masks, not social distancing, getting into my personal space so much that I often want to call them out, pick a fight. Then there's the situation in other countries, like England, yeah , 14 days off = everyone goes to the beach. Pubs open, everyone goes, the virus spreads, lockdown, pubs open again, everyone goes , rinse and repeat. I'd venture a guess that most here don't actively have friends ranging across the whole globe, wouldn't therefore know what the situation is like worldwide. Sorry, I do , I have active friends and contacts on all six continents, I see beyond the fashionable Trump hate. Dig a bit deeper, look a bit further, then get back to me, kthanks. Otherwise, yeah, it's a big whoop. And if we want to hold Trump accountability for all, then by damned the WHO is going to stay front and centre in my blame. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fcgamer | 4,722 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 22 minutes ago, CodysGameRoom said: Quit dwelling on the past. You can't change it. You can't do anything about it. It's time to move forward. We need to do the BEST we can with the information we have NOW. Trump sure as shit isn't doing that. So are you admitting the WHO is at fault for teaming up with China, politicizing a virus, then withholding correct information that would have helped prevent the spread of this disease, and would have helped stave off the mess that we are in now? Or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvertov | 205 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, fcgamer said: Yeah, you and the others sure as hell haven't checked out a wider scope than the anti-Trump agenda, that's why it's all a big f'ing whoop in my book. I sure as hell have, but thanks very much. If it's anti-Trump to expect my leaders to set an example for good behavior during this crap -- at the very least, better behavior than I expect from my own five-year-old -- then I am absolutely anti-Trump. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodysGameRoom | 2,008 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, fcgamer said: So are you admitting the WHO is at fault for teaming up with China, politicizing a virus, then withholding correct information that would have helped prevent the spread of this disease, and would have helped stave off the mess that we are in now? Or not? I never denied it. GO ahead and look, lol. The only claim I ever made is that Trump mishandled it. He did. And he STILL is. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arch_8ngel | 1,597 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Just now, fcgamer said: So are you admitting the WHO is at fault for teaming up with China, politicizing a virus, then withholding correct information that would have helped prevent the spread of this disease, and would have helped stave off the mess that we are in now? Or not? Even well after correct information was available, do you think Trump has ever had an effective message or set a good example related to handling the active pandemic? Or would you be willing to admit that Trump has set a terrible example and even made fun of people who are trying to follow good practices, and then, when he himself gets sick, he gets the best treatment on the planet (during which time he holds a maskless event where he is visibly struggling to breath) and STILL goes on to boast about how the virus is no big deal? This guy has followers that pay attention to what he does and says, and Trump has squandered every opportunity he has had to steer things in the right direction. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fcgamer | 4,722 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 10 minutes ago, arch_8ngel said: Even well after correct information was available, do you think Trump has ever had an effective message or set a good example related to handling the active pandemic? Or would you be willing to admit that Trump has set a terrible example and even made fun of people who are trying to follow good practices, and then, when he himself gets sick, he gets the best treatment on the planet (during which time he holds a maskless event where he is visibly struggling to breath) and STILL goes on to boast about how the virus is no big deal? This guy has followers that pay attention to what he does and says, and Trump has squandered every opportunity he has had to steer things in the right direction. The correct information was available from the start. If you look back to what I said about the pandemic from the very start, my doctor friend said, "Wear masks, social distance, wash your hands. We'll get through this." And he was 100% right, we did. Thank again, my friend was around for the much deadlier sars outbreak, and the country learned not to expect help from a corrupt international organisation. So when covid-19 came about, they did their own research, tried to ask questions and pass on information, but were denied it all. That's why the states is in the situation they are by now. Cody, Arch, you guys are smart people. Put down your biases for a moment, try to look from the other side. The country had been divided enough before the virus, then suddenly the virus comes about. Then the WHO says one thing, then it says another thing the next day. When the country is already in a fragile state and divided, such contradictory information is going to lead to more speculation, conspiracy theories, and division. After a point, you gotta double down and stick with your guns , I guess? So yes, while I think it's foolish that Trump doesn't wear a mask, have the staff at the school I work also don't wear a mask, despite being born into a culture where wearing a mask is much more common place, and if I mention it, I get chewed out, despite not wearing masks at school being against the law. It's not right, but I can't change it. So I can definitely see why people in a divided country that isn't used to wearing masks might feel a bit sceptical about the whole thing, especially when "facts" and the information spun by places such as the World health organisation, which should be non-political, turn out to be very much so political in nature. On another note, it may come as a shock to everyone here, while I don't necessarily agree with the abortion point of view on the left, on very many other issues I actually am in support of socialism. I experienced my first taste of that back around 2006 and although Ive no idea how we can, as a country, get this implemented, I definitely am for it in many areas, including health care, education, etc; with that said, I live in Taiwan and under the threat of invasion, I support the president that helps out in that front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arch_8ngel | 1,597 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, fcgamer said: Cody, Arch, you guys are smart people. Put down your biases for a moment, try to look from the other side. The country had been divided enough before the virus, then suddenly the virus comes about. Then the WHO says one thing, then it says another thing the next day. When the country is already in a fragile state and divided, such contradictory information is going to lead to more speculation, conspiracy theories, and division. After a point, you gotta double down and stick with your guns , I guess? So yes, while I think it's foolish that Trump doesn't wear a mask, have the staff at the school I work also don't wear a mask, despite being born into a culture where wearing a mask is much more common place, and if I mention it, I get chewed out, despite not wearing masks at school being against the law. It's not right, but I can't change it. It isn't a matter of my biases to point to Trump's behavior in just the last week has ridiculously irresponsible and callous. I would be interested to hear ANY defense of Trump apparently knowing he had tested positive on Wednesday, but failing to doing anything about it until Friday night, all the while acting as a super-spreader. I would be interested to hear ANY defense of Trump's discharge remarks about how it wasn't that bad, despite him struggling to breathe at the time AND knowing he had medical treatments that are NOT widely available as a means of intervention. That is the peak of being disconnected from what typical people would be navigating if they get sick from Covid-19. And that is before you look back further and see how long he has downplayed mask wearing, when he has a unique level of influence over a segment of the population that otherwise won't follow local rules on those types of issues. (and to have gone so far as the night before his diagnosis, MAKING FUN OF Biden for wearing a mask all the time) This entire time, Trump could have been doing some good and attempting to dismantle conspiracy theories, rather than continuing to feed into them. Edited October 7, 2020 by arch_8ngel 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fcgamer | 4,722 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 9 minutes ago, arch_8ngel said: It isn't a matter of my biases to point to Trump's behavior in just the last week has ridiculously irresponsible and callous. I would be interested to hear ANY defense of Trump apparently knowing he had tested positive on Wednesday, but failing to doing anything about it until Friday night, all the while acting as a super-spreader. I would be interested to hear ANY defense of Trump's discharge remarks about how it wasn't that bad, despite him struggling to breathe at the time AND knowing he had medical treatments that are NOT widely available as a means of intervention. That is the peak of being disconnected from what typical people would be navigating if they get sick from Covid-19. And that is before you look back further and see how long he has downplayed mask wearing, when he has a unique level of influence over a segment of the population that otherwise won't follow local rules on those types of issues. (and to have gone so far as the night before his diagnosis, MAKING FUN OF Biden for wearing a mask all the time) This entire time, Trump could have been doing some good and attempting to dismantle conspiracy theories, rather than continuing to feed into them. Nope, what you are expecting is unreasonable and impossible, as the whole thing has been politicised for months. If the shoe were on the other foot, we wouldn't be seeing different results, the situation became politicized, therefore for better or worse, no one is willing to admit their faults or change their stance for fear of pissing off their constituents, and for fear of being seen pandering to the other side. That's just how it is , and sadly that's to be expected. If Biden denounced the WHO and publically said something such as "Yeah, Trump did a shitty job regarding his performance towards the covid-19 situation, but he was right in the fact that we contributed tons of money to the WHO, who then pandered to China rather than providing clear, accurate information that could have decreased the likelihood of this thing becoming a pandemic, Trump was right , we shouldn't be involved in such a corrupted organisation" then maybe I'd feel differently about him as a candidate. But as it stands, he went in record back in July or whatever saying he wanted to rejoin the organisation that helped contribute to this mess, essentially just because Trump did otherwise, yeah that's not a good road to go down. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arch_8ngel | 1,597 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 10 minutes ago, fcgamer said: Nope, what you are expecting is unreasonable and impossible, as the whole thing has been politicised for months. WHAT? I am not expecting anything unreasonable or impossible. I am expecting the guy to set a good example of good behavior, like ANY responsible grown-up should right now. I am expecting him NOT to make campaign stops WITHOUT A MASK after he has a known positive test prior to reporting that he was ill. I am expecting him NOT to irresponsibly downplay the illness after he receives the best quality care on planet earth. That isn't too much to ask. And it is pathetic that we have come to expect so little of the president. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodysGameRoom | 2,008 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, arch_8ngel said: And it is pathetic that we have come to expect so little of the president. I mean this is the guy who said you can just grab women by the pussy. Anyone with a mother, wife, girlfriend, daughter, etc should be fucking disgusted with him. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fcgamer | 4,722 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 6 hours ago, arch_8ngel said: WHAT? I am not expecting anything unreasonable or impossible. I am expecting the guy to set a good example of good behavior, like ANY responsible grown-up should right now. I am expecting him NOT to make campaign stops WITHOUT A MASK after he has a known positive test prior to reporting that he was ill. I am expecting him NOT to irresponsibly downplay the illness after he receives the best quality care on planet earth. That isn't too much to ask. And it is pathetic that we have come to expect so little of the president. Yup, you've just been describing my sentiments with the WHO. It's pathetic that the World Heath Organisation would politicise a virus, knowingly give out false information, resulting in a pandemic. Once we realise what they've done, it's even more pathetic those who still swear by such a corrupt organisation, which had been working with China, even more pathetic for anyone that has the best intentions of America in mind to want to rejoin said organisation. That's pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arch_8ngel | 1,597 Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 35 minutes ago, fcgamer said: Yup, you've just been describing my sentiments with the WHO. It's pathetic that the World Heath Organisation would politicise a virus, knowingly give out false information, resulting in a pandemic. Once we realise what they've done, it's even more pathetic those who still swear by such a corrupt organisation, which had been working with China, even more pathetic for anyone that has the best intentions of America in mind to want to rejoin said organisation. That's pathetic. Why do you act like it is mutually exclusive to not be happy about how the WHO handled things and to not be happy with how Trump has handled things? While you can blame the very earliest news about the virus on the WHO, you really can't blame any of the last 7 months on them, when the CDC has been under immense political pressure from Trump, and Trump himself has been a force for chaos completely and utterly failing to provide meaningful leadership and his appointed czar on the issue Pence being fairly useless in overcoming Trump's chaotic messaging. You can only blame WHO so far into this thing before we all just have to accept that yes, they're responsible for allowing the initial outbreak to occur -- but how it was handled from that point forward is squarely on the shoulders of each country's leadership. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fcgamer | 4,722 Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 29 minutes ago, arch_8ngel said: Why do you act like it is mutually exclusive to not be happy about how the WHO handled things and to not be happy with how Trump has handled things? While you can blame the very earliest news about the virus on the WHO, you really can't blame any of the last 7 months on them, when the CDC has been under immense political pressure from Trump, and Trump himself has been a force for chaos completely and utterly failing to provide meaningful leadership and his appointed czar on the issue Pence being fairly useless in overcoming Trump's chaotic messaging. You can only blame WHO so far into this thing before we all just have to accept that yes, they're responsible for allowing the initial outbreak to occur -- but how it was handled from that point forward is squarely on the shoulders of each country's leadership. Sure, if the WHO handled things in a non-bias proper manner to begin with, we wouldn't be having this pandemic, at least on this scope. That's my issue. Whether Trump did a good job or not, that's not for me to say, but when the other candidate willingly supports the WHO, the organisation that singlehandedly brought such disaster to the country, and then openly states his desire to rejoin and fund that organisation, yeah no thanks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arch_8ngel | 1,597 Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 11 hours ago, fcgamer said: Sure, if the WHO handled things in a non-bias proper manner to begin with, we wouldn't be having this pandemic, at least on this scope. That's my issue. Whether Trump did a good job or not, that's not for me to say, but when the other candidate willingly supports the WHO, the organisation that singlehandedly brought such disaster to the country, and then openly states his desire to rejoin and fund that organisation, yeah no thanks. It absolutely IS for you to say, and for me to say, or ANY voter to have an informed opinion on and have their say. Don't be ridiculous. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctornick | 419 Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 (edited) @CodysGameRoom and @arch_8ngel he's just trolling, he did that for a few dozen pages earlier. Got my first results today and I'm negative, we are conducting a second test though because of my symptoms getting worse. I am thankfully able to quarantine for two weeks regardless without issue, so hopefully this lab test will also be negative and I end up having a pretty rough cold that won't damage my lungs forever Edited October 8, 2020 by Doctornick 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodysGameRoom | 2,008 Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 17 minutes ago, Doctornick said: @CodysGameRoom and @arch_8ngel he's just trolling, he did that for a few dozen pages earlier. Got my first results today and I'm negative, we are conducting a second test though because of my symptoms getting worse. I am thankfully able to quarantine for two weeks regardless without issue, so hopefully this lab test will also be negative and I end up having a pretty rough cold that won't damage my lungs forever Really hoping for the best for you man. Glad to hear negative, let's hope the same on the second test! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctornick | 419 Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 1 hour ago, CodysGameRoom said: Really hoping for the best for you man. Glad to hear negative, let's hope the same on the second test! Thank you! I wish I had access to the trial drugs our POTUS did, but being a broke ass pharmacist doesn't cut it 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arch_8ngel | 1,597 Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 Just now, Doctornick said: Thank you! I wish I had access to the trial drugs our POTUS did, but being a broke ass pharmacist doesn't cut it Then you should know you don't want to take dexamethasone unless you absolutely have to! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctornick | 419 Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, arch_8ngel said: Then you should know you don't want to take dexamethasone unless you absolutely have to! Haha I was debating asking one of my friends to drop by with a vial and syringe. Just to see what happens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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