Californication | 1,477 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 7 hours ago, Quest4Nes said: When its 50+ trillion, how are yiu going to pay for it is pretty valid If your referring to healthcare, the estimate I heard was 30 trillion and our current system is 36 trilliom. The most recent study shows healthcare saving over 500 billion a year and 65,000 lives a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Californication | 1,477 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 6 hours ago, Quest4Nes said: And you thinking the government is the solution to fix problems is where we wont ever agree. No need to waste your time with me. And that condescending math teacher line is why no one likes leftists. The smug arrogants attitudes How is it okay for the government to fix corporate problems, but it is not okay for the government to fix individual people's problems? Seems kinda backwards. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulpa | 3,492 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 5 hours ago, Bear85 said: Dam haven’t been here in a while..... seems like we can’t talk about anything without it turning political.... There's always the GoCollect forums. You should check them out. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICrappedMyPants | 302 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 22 minutes ago, Tulpa said: There's always the GoCollect forums. You should check them out. lol, politics shouldn’t be a problem over there. Also, just an update. Stores are still fairly barren here, NW burbs of Chicago. I was able to pick up some more beef, but chicken is basically nonexistent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arch_8ngel | 1,597 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/see-who-s-eligible-coronavirus-checks-senate-gop-releases-details-n1164311?cid=sm_npd_nn_fb_ma&fbclid=IwAR3zhzs7WITARR3OYZtQyIFmF2CwpLwtyuJ6QweDsNBur4-Ywc99Xrwhxms&fbclid=IwAR3v6p9Oc0tZDEwHqcDd9dUXdyJ4Unt61cL_XMLM2FQyBbq5W04gidwhoq4 Latest on helicopter-money plans. Looks like the senate plan is going to be income-tested against 2018 tax returns. (i.e. the returns we filed in 2019 for tax-year 2018) For individuals max payout ($1200) is proposed up to $75k income, fully phased out at $99k. For MFJ max payout ($2400) is proposed up to $150k income, fully phased out at $198k. For people with little-to-no income tax liability (in 2018) but at least $2500 qualifying income (in 2018) payments are reduced to $600 individual and $1200 MFJ. In all cases it is +$500 per kid, flat, no apparent income qualifiers. Not clear from the article which income number they are using (AGI vs MAGI). Frankly, Mnuchen's plan sounded a lot easier to implement, and the proportion of people over the limit that would be getting payments is relatively small anyway AND those people are most likely to be able to use it as discretionary income or investments, both of which "need" cash infusion at the moment. (and that is before you get into the "gotcha's" of using last year's taxes where people have been married since that time) 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Californication | 1,477 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 2 hours ago, arch_8ngel said: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/see-who-s-eligible-coronavirus-checks-senate-gop-releases-details-n1164311?cid=sm_npd_nn_fb_ma&fbclid=IwAR3zhzs7WITARR3OYZtQyIFmF2CwpLwtyuJ6QweDsNBur4-Ywc99Xrwhxms&fbclid=IwAR3v6p9Oc0tZDEwHqcDd9dUXdyJ4Unt61cL_XMLM2FQyBbq5W04gidwhoq4 Latest on helicopter-money plans. Looks like the senate plan is going to be income-tested against 2018 tax returns. (i.e. the returns we filed in 2019 for tax-year 2018) For individuals max payout ($1200) is proposed up to $75k income, fully phased out at $99k. For MFJ max payout ($2400) is proposed up to $150k income, fully phased out at $198k. For people with little-to-no income tax liability (in 2018) but at least $2500 qualifying income (in 2018) payments are reduced to $600 individual and $1200 MFJ. In all cases it is +$500 per kid, flat, no apparent income qualifiers. Not clear from the article which income number they are using (AGI vs MAGI). Frankly, Mnuchen's plan sounded a lot easier to implement, and the proportion of people over the limit that would be getting payments is relatively small anyway AND those people are most likely to be able to use it as discretionary income or investments, both of which "need" cash infusion at the moment. (and that is before you get into the "gotcha's" of using last year's taxes where people have been married since that time) Thanks for the update. Sounds like a bs plan if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Californication | 1,477 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Taxes aren't due until July? I wonder if that includes tax payments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDIRunner | 2,734 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, Californication said: Taxes aren't due until July? I wonder if that includes tax payments. Yes, it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arch_8ngel | 1,597 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, Californication said: Taxes aren't due until July? I wonder if that includes tax payments. That IS tax payment being delayed. Though I read you still have to file an extension to get that date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Californication | 1,477 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 I see. I wasn't sure if it wasn't just like an auto extension on the filing deadline. That's good. That should help people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychobear85 | 141 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 3 hours ago, Tulpa said: There's always the GoCollect forums. You should check them out. Wanna come with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Bogomil | 815 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 5 hours ago, Tulpa said: There's always the GoCollect forums. You should check them out. Hey, they've been the smartest in all of this... They've been self isolating for months. 1 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICrappedMyPants | 302 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Illinois to have shelter in place effective on Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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captmorgandrinker | 1,649 Administrator · Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Can we keep the political stuff to the politics thread please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Californication | 1,477 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 9 minutes ago, captmorgandrinker said: Can we keep the political stuff to the politics thread please? They are talking about Corona Virus payments and how they are getting processed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDIRunner | 2,734 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Californication said: They are talking about Corona Virus payments and how they are getting processed. I'm pretty sure he was referring to the troll post from last night. I certainly don't want to see that shit. I turn those threads off, but I want to be able to read this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mega Tank | 960 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Californication said: They are talking about Corona Virus payments and how they are getting processed. Clearly, but things get easily derailed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captmorgandrinker | 1,649 Administrator · Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 39 minutes ago, TDIRunner said: I'm pretty sure he was referring to the troll post from last night. I certainly don't want to see that shit. I turn those threads off, but I want to be able to read this one. That and recent posts both. If you want to talk about covid stuff that's fine, but when you post a video that's loosely translated to "look at these stupid republicans", that's political. Again, there's a political thread for a reason, head over there and bash your heart out (respecfully). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estil | 1,264 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 1 minute ago, captmorgandrinker said: That and recent posts both. If you want to talk about covid stuff that's fine, but when you post a video that's loosely translated to "look at these stupid republicans", that's political. Again, there's a political thread for a reason, head over there and bash your heart out (respecfully). So, hee hee, you got enough Cap'n Morgan to last ya through all this? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captmorgandrinker | 1,649 Administrator · Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Just now, Estil said: So, hee hee, you got enough Cap'n Morgan to last ya through all this? I totally do! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estil | 1,264 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Just now, captmorgandrinker said: I totally do! Excellent; just always enjoy it responsibly and never ever let anyone have any if they're not 21...Captain's orders! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richardhead | 2,813 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 1 hour ago, captmorgandrinker said: I totally do! If ya run out, lemme know. I’ve got your address and keys to a liquor store Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Link | 2,709 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 12 hours ago, Tabonga said: It was felt that by rationing things that really didn't need to be rationed that the populace would have better morale since they would perceive themselves as joining the effort by making sacrifices - and working hard to end the war. I wonder if this would work now. There is at least some rationing going on, but I have my doubts that today’s general populace would see it as a cooperative function. It is still a good idea, to curtail the hoarding that many people do in a scenario like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Link | 2,709 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 (edited) fucking... disappear my composition when I click Submit! Edited March 20, 2020 by Link double post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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