Red | 430 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 hour ago, bronzeshield said: Re: Dragon Slayer I, it's mainly that I'm interested in playing through the Game Boy's first 100 releases or so, as a kind of informal project, so it'd come up in that context. And the game's reputation sort of intrigues me, since I've often enjoyed games that others deemed unplayable... I own this one. I've found enjoyment in quite a few games that are generally considered to be terrible, but not this one. I admit I didn't give it much of a chance, but I think it might be one of the most tedious games I've ever played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splain | 2,547 Editorials Team · Posted January 6, 2020 Author Share Posted January 6, 2020 On 1/4/2020 at 10:51 AM, koifish said: Will Wario Land 2 GBC cart be accepted, or is only the grey cart allowed? Also, would it be a problem if I played Link's Awakening in Japanese? Japanese versions are fine, no prob at all. Even if the Japanese version has naughty bits lol. Using a GBC cart to clear the GB game... I have to think about that one. Especially since I'll be putting up the GBC thread within the week. Would clearing the GB version count for the GBC thread? Beat it once and count for both? I'll have to sleep on it. Whatever the decision is, it would be a precedent for other games that got a GBC release, like Super Breakout, Chessmaster, Lucky Luke, etc. It's hard to find a good comparison on a different system, since backwards-compatible software is extremely rare in the non-PC world. I'm leaning toward allowing it, if we can establish that the gameplay is completely identical. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0xDEAFC0DE | 1,277 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 For the weekly competition I've beat the high score for Revenge of the 'Gator I'm going to keep playing this, but I did well enough to beat the requirement 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koifish | 546 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 On 1/6/2020 at 12:38 AM, Splain said: Japanese versions are fine, no prob at all. Even if the Japanese version has naughty bits lol. Using a GBC cart to clear the GB game... I have to think about that one. Especially since I'll be putting up the GBC thread within the week. Would clearing the GB version count for the GBC thread? Beat it once and count for both? I'll have to sleep on it. Whatever the decision is, it would be a precedent for other games that got a GBC release, like Super Breakout, Chessmaster, Lucky Luke, etc. It's hard to find a good comparison on a different system, since backwards-compatible software is extremely rare in the non-PC world. I'm leaning toward allowing it, if we can establish that the gameplay is completely identical. Okay, I think I will start on Link's Awakening as well then, or rather "Yume o Miru Shima" IIRC. May we suffer through kana-only text with humility and grace The GB/GBC to me would make sense to those games that are pure color additions. I believe Wario Land 2, beyond maybe some bugfixes, would be identical. That said, maybe we should reach out to the powers that be for this one. Are there any existing forums or guides people have written on the differences (if any) between B/W and Color releases of the same game? It sounds like a TCRF thing, but maybe it will be more obvious to speedrunners or rom hackers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splain | 2,547 Editorials Team · Posted January 7, 2020 Author Share Posted January 7, 2020 I've decided to be fine with it. Re-playing identical code is the reason I took a handful of games off the list to begin with, so we shouldn't have to re-play the same game twice for both lists. They should either get taken off one of the lists, which would be weird, or count for both. Plus the list of games that got a color release with no gameplay changes... is maybe 10 games long. So I'll go ahead and do the research, and for now beating it as either black or grey is fine. Feels like a "weird flex" to say it's not valid lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0xDEAFC0DE | 1,277 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 10 minutes ago, Splain said: I've decided to be fine with it. Re-playing identical code is the reason I took a handful of games off the list to begin with, so we shouldn't have to re-play the same game twice for both lists. They should either get taken off one of the lists, which would be weird, or count for both. Plus the list of games that got a color release with no gameplay changes... is maybe 10 games long. So I'll go ahead and do the research, and for now beating it as either black or grey is fine. Feels like a "weird flex" to say it's not valid lol. What about something like Looney Tunes? IIRC when it was re-released for GBC all that was added was bonus levels that just give you extra points. So it was changed, but the changes had no effect on the difficulty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RH | 4,818 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 It might be a while before I get to it, but would you guys consider beating Final Fantasy Adventure on the Switch as beating the Game Boy game? I don't think it's a changed source ROM (other than, possibly, copyrights) and the emulation was done by M3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bronzeshield | 292 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 I made Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Fall of the Foot Clan eat feet, eat feet, eat feet: Weird game -- pretty repetitive, not terribly fun or well-designed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bronzeshield | 292 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) Hey, a question: since Paperboy has an ending, shouldn't that be the standard for beating it? Edited January 7, 2020 by bronzeshield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koifish | 546 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 20 hours ago, RH said: It might be a while before I get to it, but would you guys consider beating Final Fantasy Adventure on the Switch as beating the Game Boy game? I don't think it's a changed source ROM (other than, possibly, copyrights) and the emulation was done by M3. As long as you mean the original, and not the 3D remake, you should be fine. I assume you are talking about the Collection release? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RH | 4,818 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 27 minutes ago, koifish said: As long as you mean the original, and not the 3D remake, you should be fine. I assume you are talking about the Collection release? Yes, that's the one. Collection of Mana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splain | 2,547 Editorials Team · Posted January 8, 2020 Author Share Posted January 8, 2020 23 hours ago, 0xDEAFC0DE said: What about something like Looney Tunes? IIRC when it was re-released for GBC all that was added was bonus levels that just give you extra points. So it was changed, but the changes had no effect on the difficulty. Oof, I'll have to take a look at that one. Here's a list of black carts and clear carts that share a title (or add something about "color") with a grey cart. I'm assuming the black carts will be much more likely to be colorized versions of the B&W rom, but in the case of titles that were grey in PAL and didn't get a grey USA release, those are probably going to be matches too. I'll go through these unless anyone already knows about them: Black carts Clear carts Asteroids Aladdin BattleShip Casper Black Bass: Lure Fishing Klax Centipede Lucky Luke Chessmaster Marble Madness Frogger Missile Command Harvest Moon GBC Mr. Nutz Las Vegas Cool Hand Paperboy Legend of the River King GBC Rampart Link's Awakening DX Road Rash Looney Tunes Smurfs' Nightmare, The Monopoly Spy vs Spy Montezuma's Return Tom and Jerry Ms. Pac-Man: Special Color Edition Pac-Man: Special Color Edition Pocket Bomberman Prince of Persia Rats! Rugrats Movie, The Space Invaders Super Breakout Titus the Fox Wario Land II 16 hours ago, bronzeshield said: Hey, a question: since Paperboy has an ending, shouldn't that be the standard for beating it? Ha, you're right, I thought it went on forever. I'll get that updated. 10 minutes ago, RH said: Yes, that's the one. Collection of Mana. My understanding is that it's a faithful 1:1 emulation of the original, so it should be just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanooki | 4,925 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 I know I'm late to the debate, but the Gameboy and Gameboy Color are essentially the same system, just beefier. If there is going to be a stand alone GBC list, then you really only have two choices but it would potentially harm the stand alone GBC list depending how you handle it. You can either have all GBC (black, see through etc) games only on that list. Or you overlap the lists for the hybrid only carts and clear them on both at the same time, to me that would make the most sense because they work in both formats. I know there are a few games that got re-releases, like that Wario Land 2 title brought up, that would also help take care of the overlap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koifish | 546 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 19 hours ago, Splain said: Oof, I'll have to take a look at that one. Here's a list of black carts and clear carts that share a title (or add something about "color") with a grey cart. I'm assuming the black carts will be much more likely to be colorized versions of the B&W rom, but in the case of titles that were grey in PAL and didn't get a grey USA release, those are probably going to be matches too. I'll go through these unless anyone already knows about them: Black carts Clear carts Asteroids Aladdin BattleShip Casper Black Bass: Lure Fishing Klax Centipede Lucky Luke Chessmaster Marble Madness Frogger Missile Command Harvest Moon GBC Mr. Nutz Las Vegas Cool Hand Paperboy Legend of the River King GBC Rampart Link's Awakening DX Road Rash Looney Tunes Smurfs' Nightmare, The Monopoly Spy vs Spy Montezuma's Return Tom and Jerry Ms. Pac-Man: Special Color Edition Pac-Man: Special Color Edition Pocket Bomberman Prince of Persia Rats! Rugrats Movie, The Space Invaders Super Breakout Titus the Fox Wario Land II Ha, you're right, I thought it went on forever. I'll get that updated. My understanding is that it's a faithful 1:1 emulation of the original, so it should be just fine. Pac-Man and Ms. Pac-Man Color Editions have extra games. Pac-Man has both the original game and Pac-Attack, Ms. has Super Pac-Man IIRC. For that reason, you might argue that you have to finish or top scoreboards in both games on the cart. Then you run into another sticky situation, as Pac-Attack is already a separate cart for grey GB. We may have to check that one too for similarity. If it's the same, then should probably treat Pac-Man Color as an unneeded multi cart, like with the GB carts that are just multi-cart releases of two other separate carts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecmyers | 97 Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 Completed Disney's Darkwing Duck for the second time (first time this year). Played on Game Boy Player. Livestream here: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bronzeshield | 292 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 Call it Smurfs 2, call it The Smurfs Travel the World, call it Les Schtroumpfs Vont Se Faire Cuire Un Oeuf, or whatever you like -- but it's done: Beaten on Hard difficulty, since I had previous familiarity with the Sega Master System version. This Game Boy version is OK but the smaller screen size is sometimes a problem, and I miss the SMS soundtrack which is one of the best on the system (shame that the game itself is so ridiculously rare). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucket | 93 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 Alleyway is done. Playing this has become almost a yearly tradition for me now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koifish | 546 Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 18 hours ago, Bucket said: Alleyway is done. Playing this has become almost a yearly tradition for me now. On a slick white 3DS too, lookin' sharp. I always wished we had gotten the orange model that was demo'd at one time. At least there is the regular New 3DS with orange cover plates. Of course, those plates are going to get really expensive soon (some of them already are!). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koifish | 546 Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 I'm still chuggin' along on Pokemon, it's kind of fun playing again after so long. I'm purposely using a ton of Pokemon I've never used before, like Oddish, Clefairy, and Zubat among others. Afterward I'm thinking it's time to take on the never-beaten sports game nightmares. Last year went well for golf games, maybe this year will go well for the dreaded NFL games. Also, I will sadly have to start over my halfway-done playthrough of NBA Jam TE. At least it is a fun sports game though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanooki | 4,925 Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 At some point when I get motivated I'll join this and take a stab at a few games, last go around quite a few I was interested in had been taken down already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperJimtendo | 1,091 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Knocked out an easy one. Kirbys dreamland done 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunktendo64 | 15 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Wheel of Fortune complete. In this version, you only play against 1 opponent instead of the 3 total contestants of the TV game show. The AI in this game is beyond stupid. In 2 of my rounds, their first guess was an X. You would have to really try to lose at this. Lastly, the music is horrendous. The game plays well and is a fine rendition of the game show, but play with the volume down. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splain | 2,547 Editorials Team · Posted January 13, 2020 Author Share Posted January 13, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Drunktendo64 said: Wheel of Fortune complete. In this version, you only play against 1 opponent instead of the 3 total contestants of the TV game show. The AI in this game is beyond stupid. In 2 of my rounds, their first guess was an X. You would have to really try to lose at this. Lastly, the music is horrendous. The game plays well and is a fine rendition of the game show, but play with the volume down. And the text entry is a nightmare. And all the puzzles are dated. I consider this one of the worst games on the system. Probably bottom 5 with all the versions of Jeopardy. Edit: ok, it's probably not too bad if you play against another human. I just had a really bad experience with this game, lol Edited January 13, 2020 by Splain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucket | 93 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 19 minutes ago, Splain said: And the text entry is a nightmare. And all the puzzles are dated. I consider this one of the worst games on the system. Probably bottom 5 with all the versions of Jeopardy. Edit: ok, it's probably not too bad if you play against another human. I just had a really bad experience with this game, lol Yeah, it's a rubbish game. The final round always seems so obscure compared to everything else. I was particularly thrilled when the category was "person" and the answer was something like "primary school teacher." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koifish | 546 Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 One of the ultimate terrible GB games, NFL Football, is at last beaten. I can't believe it, but I actually got a grasp of how to play it well enough to finish a game. I'm happy too that I capped a screenshot when I did, because after this final results screen, there is absolutely nothing else. The game immediately reboots to the Konami logo. This one has to be one of the ultimate bad GB games. It is a little bit fun, but I could probably name 100 better games on GB, and I certainly don't suggest going for this one anytime soon. I plan to delve into the GB Madden games this year as well, hopefully they hold the promise of higher quality. To their credit though, I bet Konami squeezed this one into a tiny memory space. Cannot confirm or deny, however. And, I guess getting all the sprites on screen at once was a good accomplishment. Still, it isn't worth much. bgb00001.bmp 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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