jonebone | 1,307 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 A lot of people had been asking me for this, and it originally kicked off with a thread on NA. I had been pushing for the analysis to get out before the HA listings completed and here it is. https://www.watagames.com/learn/blog/post/wata-crossovers/ Cliff notes for the lazy, these are the rough rule of thumb "sweet spots" for average crossovers within a grade. Any specific game may fall outside of that range though. 80 -> 8.5 / B+ to 9.2 / A 80+ -> 9.0 / A to 9.4 / A+ 85 -> 9.0 / A to 9.6 / A+ 85+ -> 9.2 / A to 9.6 / A++ 90 -> 9.4 / A+ to 9.8 / A++ If you love talking data or do more advanced analysis, I encourage you to read the article. Share any thoughts here and I'd be glad to answer any questions. 3 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Croz of Vinheim | 4 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Great resource - thanks! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calan87 | 45 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 wow this is great 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefaultGen | 5,395 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 (edited) Great article. Good to see there's a clear trend and it isn't random. RIP to that VGA 85 that crossed over to a Wata 7.0 / A. Ouch. Your first chart has a typo of = where 9.0 should be I think FYI. Edited November 21, 2019 by DefaultGen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePhleo | 2,184 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 (edited) BEFORE I READ INTO IT- LET ME POST MY GUESS: 9.4 -> 85/85+ 9.2 -> 85/80+ 9.0 -> 80+/80 8.5 -> 80/75 Edit: Seems I'm way off and in a different direction. You've even taken seal ratings into account. Very nice work Jonas. I'm gonna read the entire article now Edited November 21, 2019 by ThePhleo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sign Collector Guy | 334 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Well you summed it up well at the end and I was thinking the same thing after looking at the data. Lack of consistency with no fixed pattern. Comparing these 2 populations against each other is interesting. I use Minitab at work and wonder if there are some analysis programs to run the raw data through to get a p-value. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonebone | 1,307 Posted November 21, 2019 Author Share Posted November 21, 2019 1 hour ago, DefaultGen said: Great article. Good to see there's a clear trend and it isn't random. RIP to that VGA 85 that crossed over to a Wata 7.0 / A. Ouch. Your first chart has a typo of = where 9.0 should be I think FYI. I see that, that's the Wata editor goof! It looks good on the version I submitted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefaultGen | 5,395 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Just now, jonebone said: I see that, that's the Wata editor goof! It looks good on the version I submitted I was wrong to doubt you. Can I add this to the list of Wata typos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snk2d4ever | 96 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Nice work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Startyde | 175 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Very nice analysis Jone. About a 10 percentage inflation like many sumised. Cardboard will likely differ from jewelcase but it looks like VGA 85+ and 90 top out at Wata 9.6 and 9.8, which means it would make no sense to crossover VGA 90+ or higher as they will likely be normalized to Wata 9.8, with a slim to no chance of Wata 100. VGA appears to literally go beyond the Wata scale for granularity, which I personally dig. TLDR: Interesting to see the numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBiRD | 137 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Interesting to read, thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kell | 102 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Great info, appreciate the work jonebone. Are people regrading their VGAs for better grades now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Jimmer | 234 Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 Great @jonebone Did you take a look to see if there is a pattern of « systematically higher » crossover grades from carolina collection 85+ vs other 85+ or are the results similar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kell | 102 Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 46 minutes ago, Jim Jimmer said: Did you take a look to see if there is a pattern of « systematically higher » crossover grades from carolina collection 85+ vs other 85+ or are the results similar? I was wondering the same thing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Jimmer | 234 Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 5 hours ago, kell said: I was wondering the same thing... Yeah i mean, to be clear i don’t expect it to be the case at all, but since the data is there might as well check it out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frost | 2 Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 Is WATA keeping track of the VGA serial numbers on regrades? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RasAlGhul007 | 5 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 As usual @jonebone posting the exact information I am researching and/or looking for. Last year it was the Final Fantasy 7 variants post. Now with the VGA to WATA breakdown. Good stuff and thanks for the information! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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