Seth | 166 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 Just now, Gulag Joe said: Nothing is twisted. Your myth cannot be supported. You can't understand what I'm saying—no worries. Some miscommunications can't be solved. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gulag Joe | 582 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 1 minute ago, RETRO said: You can't understand what I'm saying—no worries. Some miscommunications can't be solved. You don't understand what I'm saying. That's not something to fret over, it's OK to be wrong. I'm not judging you. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mijael | 347 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 There are less graded sealed games than i thought , i mean for example if you compare this to a comic book pop report the sealed games are a rarity 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExplodedHamster | 404 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 53 minutes ago, OptOut said: Am I reading this correctly? Out of 237 graded sealed Mario 3's only SIXTEEN are "left bros"??? Actually that's pretty rare, thinking about it! That’s crazy, Pat the NES Punk saw one on his shelf and told the world there were hundreds, if not thousands, sealed. I am absolutely floored he could be so wrong. The science was basically flawless! 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gulag Joe | 582 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 The VGA pop reports will look similar to these numbers, but more than likely the VGA pops will show slightly smaller pops. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OptOut | 8,883 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 Just now, Mijael said: There are less graded sealed games than i thought , i mean for example if you compare this to a comic book pop report the sealed games are a rarity A lot of people might quickly come to that conclusion, but that's not actually true. WATA has only been around for two years, whereas most comic book graders have been around WAY longer. Also, grading is only a TINY niche of video game collecting, whereas in comic books and other hobbies a much greater proportion of collectors are into collecting graded items. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumars2001 | 164 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 1 minute ago, Mijael said: There are less graded sealed games than i thought , i mean for example if you compare this to a comic book pop report the sealed games are a rarity I agree 100%. Sealed Nes games are also much more rare than graded sports cards and action figures by a wide margin. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seth | 166 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 6 minutes ago, Gulag Joe said: You don't understand what I'm saying. That's not something to fret over, it's OK to be wrong. I'm not judging you. Not judging you either! This is perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blarky | 42 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 46 minutes ago, RETRO said: I know you're being sarcastic, and rightly so, but we have to stop saying, "There are only..." This is 36 months of WATA data. VGA will be releasing a pop report from 13 years—10 of which they operated during without competition—meaning that their volume per annum for each title should be higher than WATA operating with competition across the three years since 2018. If WATA graded 16 "left bro" SMB3s in 36 months, we can expect there to be about 64 from VGA and 80 total—at a minimum. The numbers could in fact be 100+ and 116+. So we might expect, in a decade, for there to be 150 to 250 sealed and graded "left bro" SMB3 variants. You know how many people in the world have demonstrated that they care about this variant in the 15 years they've now had to express that care? Way under 100. If and when the VGA pop reports are released, don't get your hopes up for accurate variant information. In the early days, the labels really only chronicled "white" seals (ie. oval seal), vs "black/silver/gold" (for the older circular seals). They then later added "cardboard hangtab" as an extra variant for some of the black box games. There are a few other bits of variant info they added in later years ("non revA" for example). The labels are also notorious for having incorrect info (incorrectly labeling black seal as a white seal for example). I'm honestly not sure if they even differentiated between left and right bros for SMB3. Don't get me wrong, the data will be extremely valuable still. It's just that you'll need to understand some of it was "early / wild west days", so you'll have to live with somewhat rocky variant info. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seth | 166 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 Update: The 9.0/A Eliminator Boat Duel ($699) that has been unsold for months on eBay (from Just Press Play) is now gone. It is the third-highest known WATA-graded copy. This is happening fast, folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExplodedHamster | 404 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 7 minutes ago, Mijael said: There are less graded sealed games than i thought , i mean for example if you compare this to a comic book pop report the sealed games are a rarity There are like 12,000 graded Hulk 181s and 7500 GRADED WATA NES games lol. 325 PSA 10 Jordans and 250 sealed WATA Mario 3s. Could go on forever. People who have tracked this stuff closely have known this for a long time. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seth | 166 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 If anyone wants the third-highest-WATA-graded copy of SEICROSS (NES) and doesn't mind a little mold, you can have it for $249 on eBay right now. Three-figure collecting was always where it was at... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloves | 11,776 Administrator · Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 You can tell the pop report came out cuz this is the only thread on my feed. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seth | 166 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, ExplodedHamster said: There are like 12,000 graded Hulk 181s and 7500 GRADED WATA NES games lol. 325 PSA 10 Jordans and 250 sealed WATA Mario 3s. Could go on forever. People who have tracked this stuff closely have known this for a long time. Here's the problem: 1. Gaming is the largest entertainment industry in the world. 2. That has absolutely nothing to do with the popularity of collecting sealed and graded games—a wildly niche hobby that has remained niche for 15 years now and is going to remain niche. I can't believe folks still mistake the former fact for the latter. The most-graded WATA games are not rare relative to demand, which is nothing like the demand for comics. Is 500+ sealed-and-graded SMB3s (among both WATA and VGA) a lot? You bet your ass it is. It's a ton—relative to demand. Why is this so hard to understand, when we all watch the HA auctions weekly, which—almost all of them—have only 5-10 bidders? ON EDIT: And for the fortieth time, 36 months of WATA grades are not the whole of what's out there! VGA has been grading for 13 years. Take any pop # you see from WATA and at least double it. Edited November 30, 2021 by RETRO 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OptOut | 8,883 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 4 minutes ago, ExplodedHamster said: There are like 12,000 graded Hulk 181s and 7500 GRADED WATA NES games lol. 325 PSA 10 Jordans and 250 sealed WATA Mario 3s. Could go on forever. People who have tracked this stuff closely have known this for a long time. Yeah, but why is it fair to compare a population report from a grading company that has been around for two years with one that has been around for decades? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloves | 11,776 Administrator · Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 I'm still pissed at myself for not buying that misprint Metal Gear Solid. I should have just tossed all my money at it honestly, I seriously regret not buying that. It always seems that I come into the right amount of money to buy something I want mere months after that something becomes entirely unavailable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OptOut | 8,883 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, Gloves said: I'm still pissed at myself for not buying that misprint Metal Gear Solid. I should have just tossed all my money at it honestly, I seriously regret not buying that. It always seems that I come into the right amount of money to buy something I want mere months after that something becomes entirely unavailable. All of @Gloves money RN: 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloves | 11,776 Administrator · Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 Just now, OptOut said: All of @Gloves money RN: All of my money is in SHIB man, I'm in DEBT. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CIB_Wholesale | 418 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Mijael said: There are less graded sealed games than i thought , i mean for example if you compare this to a comic book pop report the sealed games are a rarity is it comparable bc the carts are pretty common but we will see a lot less mint condition maybe the mints of each category are comparable between the hobbies Edited November 30, 2021 by CIBWholesale 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumars2001 | 164 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 A big shout out/thank you to WATA Games for releasing the POP report! I think this will have a significant and positive effect on the video community/hobby. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumars2001 | 164 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 2 hours ago, ExplodedHamster said: Under 20 Double Dribble! 19 lol. Of course I just bought a raw one, so enjoy it while you can! Very nice pickup! The first truly great basketball game on any system and a Konami release! It sold well at the inaugural Goldin Auctions and with more sports card collectors entering the hobby, I can see this title being even more desired (low Pop Count) in the very near future. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gulag Joe | 582 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 25 minutes ago, RETRO said: a wildly niche hobby that has remained niche for 15 years now and is going to remain niche. No it won't. There are 5 active video game grading companies in existence right now with even more to come and all of them are backlogged. The hobby is exploding and will continue to grow. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumars2001 | 164 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 3 hours ago, Gloves said: I just bought 10 copies of... Let's see here... Al Unser Jr. Turbo Racing... Frick. I own a raw sealed copy of this. Let me know if you are interested in it, lol:). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OptOut | 8,883 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, CIBWholesale said: is it comparable bc the carts are pretty common but we will see a lot less mint condition maybe the mints of each category are comparable between the hobbies What proportion of comic book collectors collect graded comic books? What proportion of video game collectors collect graded games? You need to know the answer to both of those questions in order to be able to relate the scarcity to the demand in each of these different hobbies. We already KNOW that the proportion of video game collectors interested in graded/sealed games is like 1% of the hobby. The supply is low, but so is demand. What are the numbers for comic books or trading cards? I'm wiling to bet the proportion of collectors in those hobbies interested in graded items is MUCH higher than videogames. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kell | 102 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 32 minutes ago, Gloves said: I'm still pissed at myself for not buying that misprint Metal Gear Solid. I should have just tossed all my money at it honestly, I seriously regret not buying that. It always seems that I come into the right amount of money to buy something I want mere months after that something becomes entirely unavailable. I think this is how a lot of people feel these days… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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