Movie Debate #94: Halloween

[Reed Rothchild | 9,510]

[Sumez | 2,933]

I know the original is a very respected slasher film, but through osmosis I know it's also a very basic movie where very little happens. I have no interest in the core genre which has never been able to do anything for me, so I doubt its promordial incarnation will fare any better. On top of that, no John Carpenter movies I've watched have been all that exciting to me. As much as I wanted to be part of the crowd that cherishes his stuff, none of them have been able to recruit me so far.

In short, I answered "no interest in watching" on all three. You guys can flame me if you want.

[Mega Tank | 955]

Why is Halloween Kills not on the list? Did you think it was that bad too? Just skip it you say? Yea, it was terrible.

[Sumez | 2,933]

Because it's not called Halloween.

[Mega Tank | 955]

Just now, Sumez said:

Because it's not called Halloween.

I know, just warning people. Lol

 

I will have to watch the Rob Zombie version... I don't remember it.

[LeatherRebel5150 | 1,055]

I put 9 on all of them. Its my favorite genre of movie. So all of the big franchises in it will always score high for me. (Except for Halloween 3) They’re like the burger and fries in the diner world. You get it knowing exactly what your getting, nothing fancy or impressive but something to satisfy the itch. So going in with high expectations is like expecting gourmet burger at the diner. It aint going to happen so don’t set yourself up for disappointment. 

[Bearcat-Doug | 5,104]

I've only seen the original and that was years ago. I'm not really into horror movies, so I don't have any interest in watching the others.

[guitarzombie | 923]

78 is probably my second fav movie of all time.  Rob Zombies is an embarrassment and ashamed to say I saw it in theaters because 'I had to'.  2018 was such a great refresher because Michael wasn't an embarrassment.  Great music, great mask. 

As much as I love 78, it created this slasher monster than we can't really come back from.  If 78 was released today it would be massacred by the ADHD crowd.  But then they watch Halloween Kills and say its boring?!  I don't understand people.

Anyway, I rewatched it a few days ago (Don't watch it nearly as much as Dawn) and noticed some issues with it I never heard anyone else mentioned.  People are weird that they'll criticize HK for things but leave the original alone about.

[guitarzombie | 923]

2 hours ago, LeatherRebel5150 said:

I put 9 on all of them. Its my favorite genre of movie. So all of the big franchises in it will always score high for me. (Except for Halloween 3) They’re like the burger and fries in the diner world. You get it knowing exactly what your getting, nothing fancy or impressive but something to satisfy the itch. So going in with high expectations is like expecting gourmet burger at the diner. It aint going to happen so don’t set yourself up for disappointment. 

This!  I was talking to someone about Halloween Kills and they said the story was dumb.  I asked if they watched porn for story too?  I mean, what slasher movies actually have a great story?  None.  Its just a vehicle needed to at least give their killers motivation.  The lack of that is what made Halloween scary, then subsequently ruined it with a sequel haha

[CodysGameRoom | 2,008]

57 minutes ago, guitarzombie said:

I mean, what slasher movies actually have a great story

Plenty do. 

And I think Rob Zombie's Halloween gets too much ridicule. I mean when you are remaking Halloween that is going to happen, but it's honestly a fine movie. I don't know what people were expecting.

[guitarzombie | 923]

4 minutes ago, CodysGameRoom said:

Plenty do. 

And I think Rob Zombie's Halloween gets too much ridicule. I mean when you are remaking Halloween that is going to happen, but it's honestly a fine movie. I don't know what people were expecting.

Can you name some then?  Ive seen a LOT, and all the classics.  Id actually say the coolest idea was Wes Cravens New Nightmare,  

I thought all the stuff they did with Michaels family was just embarrassing, then basically recreating all of Halloween 1 within like 20 minutes.  

Although, I do thank Rob for bringing in some great character actors from some of those older classic movies to get a paycheck.  

[twiztor | 847]

1 hour ago, guitarzombie said:

This!  I was talking to someone about Halloween Kills and they said the story was dumb.  I asked if they watched porn for story too?  I mean, what slasher movies actually have a great story?  None.  Its just a vehicle needed to at least give their killers motivation.  The lack of that is what made Halloween scary, then subsequently ruined it with a sequel haha

the phrase i always use when critiquing old slasher movies is "too much storyline, not enough killing". i don't want a cinematic masterpiece or storytelling renaissance. I want blood. and killing. (and tits).

[guitarzombie | 923]

15 minutes ago, twiztor said:

the phrase i always use when critiquing old slasher movies is "too much storyline, not enough killing". i don't want a cinematic masterpiece or storytelling renaissance. I want blood. and killing. (and tits).

Funny because Halloween kinda started it, but F13 and Halloween 2 trying to up the ante is how we got here.

[G-type | 2,479]

the awesome soundtrack does a lot of heavy lifting on the original. The opening POV kill is pretty interesting, but the rest of it is a little corny. I also hate old looking adults playing the roles of teenagers for which this is a particularly egregious example

[CodysGameRoom | 2,008]

1 hour ago, guitarzombie said:

Can you name some then?

Scream, Hatchet, Leslie Vernon

[MegaMan52 | 2,440]

9/10 for both the original 1978 John Carpenter film and the modern sequel. I've watched the original more than any other horror/slasher movie (even more than Chucky), and like a lot of classic movies it has such memorable music. I was slightly disappointed that the modern sequel ignores the original sequel, since that movie picks up right where the original left off and Dr. Loomis is one of my favorite characters in the series. But I'm glad it ignores the other sequels (even if some of them are good), since I was very disappointed that Laurie was killed in Resurrection (and early on). Kind of cool that Nick Castle reprised his role as Michael Myers, even if it was only for one scene.

5/10 for the Rob Zombie remake. It was...decent I guess, and I did watch it in a Theater. I kind of liked that Brad Dourif (voice of Chucky) was Sheriff Brackett. The sequel, however, was garbage, and I actually kind of regret watching that one in Theaters.

[guitarzombie | 923]

1 hour ago, CodysGameRoom said:

Scream, Hatchet, Leslie Vernon

I dont know the last two but I think I remember seeing Scream in theatres when it came out.  I wasn't totally impressed IIRC.  I think I only saw it that one time but from what I remember it was just 2 friends obsessed with horror movies killing people?  Still seems flimsy to me.  Could be wrong though.  

[Reed Rothchild | 9,510]

All giallos are basically slashers, and I'd say they all have plots.  Ditto for Don't Look Now.

[mbd39 | 2,017]

The original Halloween is at least a 9, so atmospheric. It's my favorite Carpenter along with They live. No interest in the remakes.

[AstralSoul | 502]

I legit had to think about the 2007 Halloween movie. I was trying to figure out which one it was, I completely forgot about the Rob Zombie remakes. Anyway original gets a 9, Rob Zombie one I went with 7 because it wasn't bad but probably one of the worse Halloween movies, and the 2018 one I went with 9 also because aside from H20 it was the only one that matched the greatness of the original.

[Strikezone1 | 154]

95% of movies I watch are of the horror genre.

Love Halloween '78. It's a top-5 movie for me. An easy 10.

I think the 2 Rob Zombie Halloween's are better than some people give them credit for. I liked both.

Halloween '18 (and also Kills) was solid.

[guitarzombie | 923]

I could have sworn I voted but I don't see my name on them?  Lemme try it again

Edited November 3, 2021 by guitarzombie

[Brickman | 3,981]

9/2/9. 
 

Original helped start the slasher genre (my favourite horror genre) and was ground breaking at the time. Great atmosphere, cast and soundtrack.

Rob Zombie remake was shit. The 2 description sums up my view. I’d go a 1 but I do love Rob Zombie’s other movies and music so I’ll give him an extra point.

2018 was a great return to form after an up and down series. Sure it did ask us to forget everything after the first ever happened but I went with it and tried not to over think it and ended up loving it.

[Andy_Bogomil | 815]

I like the original. I think I walked out of the theater for the Rob zombie remake to go see something else but I can't remember. No real interest in Halloween as a series of movies, I feel like Friday the 13th did a better job for the first few sequels.

[DoctorEncore | 3,690]

The first one is solid and obviously extremely influential (8/10), but not my favorite Carpenter film. The Rob Zombie one was passable at best (5/10).  Haven't seen the re-remake.