chenshihchun | 3 Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 (edited) Dear All Please Help How much can this game 1987 Final Fantasy be worth now ? (Japan 1st Edition) Still New and Sealed Quality Condition: Between 80 to 85 score Edited October 19, 2021 by chenshihchun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OptOut | 8,881 Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 Famicom games never came sealed. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fcgamer | 4,719 Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 1 minute ago, OptOut said: Famicom games never came sealed. You had to be that guy, lol. Thanks for sparing me the temptation of breaking the guys heart. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fcgamer | 4,719 Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 @chenshihchun: on a more serious note, judging by your name, surely you've had experience previously with Famicom games, so it's likely you're also aware these never came originally sealed or? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OptOut | 8,881 Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, fcgamer said: You had to be that guy, lol. Thanks for sparing me the temptation of breaking the guys heart. I mean, where to start, honestly? Even if not sealed, just new and unopened, well a couple hundred bucks MAX? Being generous, I mean, for the best POSSIBLE condition? Also, WATA don't grade Famicom, so that rules out the HA racket doesn't it? So yeah. Maybe a hundred and a half bucks I think, for an "80-85" NIB Famicom Final Fantasy is generous? What do you reckon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fcgamer | 4,719 Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 9 minutes ago, OptOut said: I mean, where to start, honestly? Even if not sealed, just new and unopened, well a couple hundred bucks MAX? Being generous, I mean, for the best POSSIBLE condition? Also, WATA don't grade Famicom, so that rules out the HA racket doesn't it? So yeah. Maybe a hundred and a half bucks I think, for an "80-85" NIB Famicom Final Fantasy is generous? What do you reckon? I paid about 600元 for a new Dr Mario - the box was sunfaded, but it came directly from the shop so I know it was new. Or there's that new Shadowgate I showed you pics of last weekend 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OptOut | 8,881 Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 4 minutes ago, fcgamer said: I paid about 600元 for a new Dr Mario - the box was sunfaded, but it came directly from the shop so I know it was new. Or there's that new Shadowgate I showed you pics of last weekend Oh man, rip off! You can get nice condition Dr. Mario for like 200 dude! I can't say whether they've been open or not, but then NIB unsealed, who's to say who's been in there before??? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamW | 713 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Unopened FF 1 does not come up much even on japanese sites. I'd expect it to go over $500 for a plausible copy from a seller with cred (sale prices of "unopened" copies vary a lot depending on how much of a good reputation the seller has, and how plausibly unopened the box looks...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tidaldreams | 654 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 About tree fiddy currently, but when WATA starts grading them then about 69k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chenshihchun | 3 Posted October 17, 2021 Author Share Posted October 17, 2021 16 hours ago, OptOut said: Famicom games never came sealed. Ok so it is not original sealed, thanks for sharing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chenshihchun | 3 Posted October 17, 2021 Author Share Posted October 17, 2021 16 hours ago, OptOut said: I mean, where to start, honestly? Even if not sealed, just new and unopened, well a couple hundred bucks MAX? Being generous, I mean, for the best POSSIBLE condition? Also, WATA don't grade Famicom, so that rules out the HA racket doesn't it? So yeah. Maybe a hundred and a half bucks I think, for an "80-85" NIB Famicom Final Fantasy is generous? What do you reckon? What does NIB mean? Thank You Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OptOut | 8,881 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 42 minutes ago, chenshihchun said: What does NIB mean? Thank You New in box. It's basically the equivalent of sealed for non-sealed items, and should only apply to items that have never been opened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OptOut | 8,881 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 (edited) Oh, btw, would you mind posting a few pictures of the actual item? It will make it much easier to assess the condition and guess at a price if we can inspect it for ourselves. Oh I didn't realize you'd already edited the first post! Edited October 17, 2021 by OptOut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chenshihchun | 3 Posted October 17, 2021 Author Share Posted October 17, 2021 43 minutes ago, OptOut said: New in box. It's basically the equivalent of sealed for non-sealed items, and should only apply to items that have never been opened. Thanks for sharing the answer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fcgamer | 4,719 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 I think the problem with the this sort of item (even labelling as nib) is that how exactly do we describe new? I got this a few weeks back, technically it's new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloves | 11,760 Administrator · Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 46 minutes ago, fcgamer said: I think the problem with the this sort of item (even labelling as nib) is that how exactly do we describe new? I got this a few weeks back, technically it's new. That's not NIB, it's been opened. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fcgamer | 4,719 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 37 minutes ago, Gloves said: That's not NIB, it's been opened. It was nib until I opened it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloves | 11,760 Administrator · Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 5 minutes ago, fcgamer said: It was nib until I opened it. And now it is not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloves | 11,760 Administrator · Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Hehe, Schrodinger's NIB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesRobot | 5,786 Events Team · Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 11 minutes ago, fcgamer said: It was nib until I opened it. It was new until a mouse chewed a hole in the side of the box. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chenshihchun | 3 Posted October 19, 2021 Author Share Posted October 19, 2021 (edited) Wata Grade Details *Seal: No Seal *Unopened, Manufactured without Seal Edited October 19, 2021 by chenshihchun 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OptOut | 8,881 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 7 hours ago, chenshihchun said: Wata Grade Details *Seal: No Seal *Unopened, Manufactured without Seal Yeah that's Mario Party 2. WATA grade Japanese N64 games because they fit in the same cases as regular N64 games. They don't grade Famicom games yet though, because they are various different sizes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brickman | 3,980 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Maybe I'm missing something but I don't really understand how you can grade NIB accurately. If the grader can't open the box to check the contents (because this would no longer make it NIB) then how do they know the submitter didn't just carefully open the box and put in the correct weight of rubbish in it? Also fcgamer does raise a good point, although his example is pretty extreme. If you've been in the Japanese collecting scene for a while you will pickup a lot of "NIB" games. The outer box looks like garbage but the game inside has never been touched or played. I can foresee a lot of crazy grades being applied to Famicom games if WATA and VGA go down that path. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamW | 713 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Shmup said: Maybe I'm missing something but I don't really understand how you can grade NIB accurately. If the grader can't open the box to check the contents (because this would no longer make it NIB) then how do they know the submitter didn't just carefully open the box and put in the correct weight of rubbish in it? Also fcgamer does raise a good point, although his example is pretty extreme. If you've been in the Japanese collecting scene for a while you will pickup a lot of "NIB" games. The outer box looks like garbage but the game inside has never been touched or played. I can foresee a lot of crazy grades being applied to Famicom games if WATA and VGA go down that path. VGA and WATA claim to be able to reliably tell if the box has ever been opened by carefully examining the hinges where the box opens. Usually when you open a cardboard box, it'll cause wear patterns to appear on those hinges. If VGA grades a cardboard box game that was sold unsealed without a Q, it means they think it is unopened. I'm not 100% sold that this is foolproof, honestly...I think if you open a box very carefully with a thin flat tool you can avoid or at least seriously minimize those wear patterns. But it's unlikely to be the case that someone would've done that with a 30 year old video game. Japanese sellers/collectors do draw the same distinction, if you pay attention. If they list as "unused" they're not necessarily claiming the box is unopened, just that the contents are unused. If they list as "unopened" that's really a claim that the box has not been opened. Edited October 20, 2021 by AdamW 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brickman | 3,980 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, AdamW said: VGA and WATA claim to be able to reliably tell if the box has ever been opened by carefully examining the hinges where the box opens. Usually when you open a cardboard box, it'll cause wear patterns to appear on those hinges. If VGA grades a non-sealed cardboard box without a Q, it means they think it is unopened. I'm not 100% sold that this is foolproof, honestly...I think if you open a box very carefully with a thin flat tool you can avoid or at least seriously minimize those wear patterns. But it's unlikely to be the case that someone would've done that with a 30 year old video game. Japanese sellers/collectors do draw the same distinction, if you pay attention. If they list as "unused" they're not necessarily claiming the box is unopened, just that the contents are unused. If they list as "unopened" that's really a claim that the box has not been opened. Thanks for the clarification. I wouldn't personally trust that method, especially with the crap we've seen over the last few months from both companies giving grades that don't really match, but for some that will be good enough to have their stamp of approval. I think we'll probably see some really messed up grading if Famicom games do start getting graded by these companies. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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